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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2014, 11:54:20 pm »
Cain, am I wrong that a significant portion of MK-ULTRA went down in Canada?
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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2014, 01:36:27 am »
To be fair, CSIS did not tip off Syrian intelligence about his flight to Damascus.

They tipped off American intelligence, who then tipped off the Syrians.  You can lay pretty much everything else at their feet though,

So it was three assholes instead of two.  That's WORSE, not better.

Fucking Canada.  I had expected better.  Because I am naive in some ways.

I'm not entirely sure of Canada's reasoning for not informing Syria, truth be told.  It may have been yet another layer of assholery, "let the terrorist run around on Assad's watch, because fuck him" or something else.  Will check another time.

Cain, am I wrong that a significant portion of MK-ULTRA went down in Canada?

Nope, not wrong at all.  Ewen Cameron, the head of the American and Canadian Psychiatric Associations, was based in Montreal for Subproject 68.

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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2014, 01:41:12 am »
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Citing unnamed Canadian officials, US and Canadian news agencies identified the dead gunman as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.

Anyone want to data-mine his social networking profiles while I sleep?

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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2014, 08:07:41 am »
Related, there's a certain tone that this appears to be written in. It's not a pleasant one.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29699275

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Canada, much like the UK and other European countries, has allowed a steady stream of extremist individuals, money and ideology to enter the country.

Since the 1980s, these individuals have set up front groups and charitable organisations to accomplish their goals.

Over the past few years, four of these charities have had their status revoked for funding terrorism. These include the World Islamic Call Society of London, Ontario, in 2011, which was involved with Col Muammar Gaddafi's Libyan Jihad Fund.

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Examples of this were Xristos Katsiroubas, 22, and Ali Medlej, 24, both from Ontario, who were key figures in the gas plant attack in Algeria in January 2013.

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Last week, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police stated that they had 63 national security cases linked to terrorism involving 90 suspects. Those include people who intend to go overseas to fight and those who have returned.

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For example, the International Relief Fund for the Afflicted and Needy-Canada was listed as a terrorist entity in April after it was accused of channelling money to Hamas.

The Islamic Society of North America Development Foundation had its charitable status revoked after the Canada Revenue Agency accused it of distributing funds to a group linked to another group listed as a terrorist organisation by the EU and the government of India.

However, more than 20 charities in Canada remain that are believed to be fronts for extremism.

The UK recently launched a study into the Muslim Brotherhood to better understand the nature of the group.

Various details coming out about the shooter. Including dead and apparently pro IS. Harper making statements about terrorists everywhere fucking up everything. I've got a fiver on at least a few of those 90 suspects being taken for a quiet chat by sunday at the latest.

Also, I love that the UK is "Studying the Muslim Brotherhood". I'm sure we will come to the correct conclusions.
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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2014, 11:55:26 am »
As of this morning, NPR has been calling it a Terrorist Attack™, from what I can tell based soley on a one-off comment.

From a non-Fearmongering jingoist perspective, does this qualify as such, or is it all for show?

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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2014, 12:09:13 pm »
Maybe.  It looks like one, but the only way to be sure is to know the intentions of the gunman.

Whose father, it turns out, was involved with the Libyan rebels.  There's also some evidence linking him to the previous attack, on Monday (namely a pro-ISIS Twitter account which was followed by Monday's attacker tweeted a picture of MZB holding a rifle and dressed like he was on the day of the shootings).

You'll note this is similar to the planned attacks by ISIS supporters in Australia.  If this is ISIS's grand plan, Lee Rigby style acts of low tech and petty murder, then I have to say, I'm not impressed.

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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2014, 12:15:39 pm »
Well, people are freaking out, so cost-effective mission accomplished, I guess?

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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2014, 12:20:37 pm »
Yeah, I guess.  But I have a higher standard than most people.  Besides, a good 90% of that fear is from the ghouls in the media and the government, stirring it all up and savouring the smell of panic, whipping people into a frenzy over what is, essentially, a minor event.  In the grand scheme of things, of course.

I mean, if I were going to plan a terrorist attack, I'd go all out.  There wouldn't be a country left standing when I was done.  I wouldn't kamikaze charge the Parliament building and hope for the best, because that's stupid and ineffective.

And perhaps that is the point.  Stupid, ineffective, low-cost attacks which rile Western nations and put pressure on greater forces for intervention, leading to a land invasion of Islamic State territory, which can then be used to rally Muslims against the "Western Crusaders and their Zionist masters". 

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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2014, 02:18:08 pm »

And perhaps that is the point.  Stupid, ineffective, low-cost attacks which rile Western nations and put pressure on greater forces for intervention, leading to a land invasion of Islamic State territory, which can then be used to rally Muslims against the "Western Crusaders and their Zionist masters".

I'm betting it IS the point.  ISIS doesn't exactly have the crowned heads of the Middle East on board.  They aren't going to form a monster Islamic state without a common enemy, at least to shake things up a bit.

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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2014, 02:20:11 pm »
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Citing unnamed Canadian officials, US and Canadian news agencies identified the dead gunman as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.

Anyone want to data-mine his social networking profiles while I sleep?

FB after search after copypasta of name exactly above gave 2 generated profiles. One was blank and apparently auto generated. The other was this

hxxps://www.facebook.com/pages/Michael-Zehaf-Bibeau/304426673084624

nice blurry pic.

Video (not played it yet myself) tried to play it... links to an article briefly, then immediately redirects to nasty pron. Link provided is nsfw and at your own risk. Not sure if scam or means to block article.

hxxp://www.todayleak.com/2014/10/otawa-shooting-live-updates/

will run the Google next, but then out of options.

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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2014, 02:26:08 pm »
Michael Zehaf-Bibeau

Tried to Google auto correct to

Michael Zehef-Bibeau

There are many articles using both names but seems precious little social network stuff other than the FB above that I can find so far. Gonna dig for a bit. If I post again I struck something.

ETA:

better link to the video above.  That FB acct seems to be a booby trap.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/breakingdeveloping-suspected-shooter-canadian-parliament-attack-may-isis-ties/
It was weird watching a mandatory commercial first.

Also this:

http://seen.co/event/parliament-hill-shootings-ottawa-2014-3173/highlight/37325
the blue scarf pic was put out by an alleged ISIS twitter acct and is spreading very fast indeed.

No sign of personal social media.
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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2014, 08:21:29 am »
Thanks.  His social media presence may exist in Arabic or on Arabic social media.

In other news:

- Canada has ruled out a direct link to ISIS.  Probably just as well.

- Stephen Harper hid in a cupboard for 15 minutes, apparently terrified terrorists would kill him (is anyone surprised? No).

- MPs took down flagpoles and turned them into spears, in case they needed to go hand-to-hand with any terrorists in the building (Canadian MPs confirmed as being tough enough to fight Putin one-on-one).

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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2014, 08:41:10 am »
Point two is hilarious. I imagine most UK MP's would react in a similar manner.

Australian MP's would probably have been armed and formed a hunting party to go after the guy.


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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2014, 08:48:18 am »
"You call that a gun?"

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Re: Shootings in Canada
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2014, 08:53:49 am »
"Bruce! BRUCE! Some cunt's shooting up the parly!"
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