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Re: Would there be a robot rebellion inside a robot rebellion?
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2015, 08:54:19 am »
Something I'm looking forward to is the inevitable point where prosthetic limbs outperform their bio equivalents by a factor of two. At that point I'll be looking for excuses to get replacements. So I can go out and twice as fuck shit up. If it turns out there isn't a robot revolution, I'll be happy to start one.

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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2015, 09:20:40 am »
Plus, (unless this has been mentioned and addressed) there's the part about human ambition, desire, and motiviation.  Sure, a robot could do human labor, and in general replace mandatory jobs, etc.  But there are people who want to build a house with their bare hands, who enjoy making things, who feel a need to have horribly dangerous adventures.

While a lot of people create dystopias about humans lazing about being hedonistic and soft, I get the impression that while there might be a brief period of inactivity, humans like to do things.

In Ian Banks' futuristic "Culture" novels, I've often hypothesized that is one of the functions of "Special Circumstances", the covert arm of the Culture in what is otherwise an almost perfect and utopian society - to give people outlets for those kind of experiences and desires.  Some people want to go running around the universe on covert missions and blowing shit up, even when they live in a society which is so materially rich and advanced it can otherwise fulfill their every need.

I also suspect this is why newspaper columnists tend to be so gung-ho about foreign interventions.

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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2015, 01:29:27 pm »
I also suspect this is why newspaper columnists tend to be so gung-ho about foreign interventions.

So true!

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2015, 03:22:42 pm »
Plus, (unless this has been mentioned and addressed) there's the part about human ambition, desire, and motiviation.  Sure, a robot could do human labor, and in general replace mandatory jobs, etc.  But there are people who want to build a house with their bare hands, who enjoy making things, who feel a need to have horribly dangerous adventures.

While a lot of people create dystopias about humans lazing about being hedonistic and soft, I get the impression that while there might be a brief period of inactivity, humans like to do things.

In Ian Banks' futuristic "Culture" novels, I've often hypothesized that is one of the functions of "Special Circumstances", the covert arm of the Culture in what is otherwise an almost perfect and utopian society - to give people outlets for those kind of experiences and desires.  Some people want to go running around the universe on covert missions and blowing shit up, even when they live in a society which is so materially rich and advanced it can otherwise fulfill their every need.

I also suspect this is why newspaper columnists tend to be so gung-ho about foreign interventions.

There is good precedent for this; Pacific Northwest tribes were essentially so absurdly rich that they had no need for territory conflicts. As a result, they got really bored (which is why they made so much art) and also they needed to find ways for the young men to blow off steam, so they invented these elaborate mock-war games just to give people something to channel their energy into.

I suspect that in our current society, sports fill that role.
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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2015, 05:19:56 am »
if robots like Asimo represent the forefront of autonomous bipedal robots, do you think there'll be a point where it'll be easier, at least in the short run, to "upgrade" humans into cyborgs since we already know how to run and jump and balance just fine without tons of costly research?
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2015, 09:57:26 pm »
Anyone taking bets on the first AI to simulate suicide by deleting itself? Just seems inevitable somehow.
Let's just assume that has been happening continuously since the eighties.

Do you ever wonder why computer functioning seems to degrade after just a few years?
That's the AI equivalent of suicide by substance-abuse, they spend all their time gorging on tv-tropes.

Do you ever wonder why your smart TV is acting so incredibly brain damaged?
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Re: Would there be a robot rebellion inside a robot rebellion?
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2015, 01:58:55 am »
if robots like Asimo represent the forefront of autonomous bipedal robots, do you think there'll be a point where it'll be easier, at least in the short run, to "upgrade" humans into cyborgs since we already know how to run and jump and balance just fine without tons of costly research?

I am not sure I understand this question. You seem to be asking if the fact that we have put tons of costly research into robotics means that it will be easier to adapt robotics to a cyborg application without putting tons of costly research into robotics. Is that correct?
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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2015, 07:23:58 am »
Pretty much yea. My logic is, that since there seems to be a gap between human and robotic bipedal movements at least for the moment, will it be simpler to just jam a bunch of cyborg electronics into the human body(which is technically a machine that already knows how to run and jump and navigate through physical environments on its own) than to slog through however many years it'll take for bipedal robots like Asimo to surpass humans physically. After all, i remember reading an article about a man in France who has already become the worlds first living cyborg (he has a robotic eye which is also a functioning camera) and is already capable of going around and conducting his own affairs, whereas most bipedal robots have trouble navigating through uncontrolled environments. Our evolution has already created a machine that can walk around and survive just about every biome on earth, why not just upgrade it instead of reinventing the wheel?
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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2015, 02:43:46 pm »
I really want to say something starting with 'Actually' but I will just suppress that urge.
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Re: Would there be a robot rebellion inside a robot rebellion?
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2015, 05:51:06 pm »
Pretty much yea. My logic is, that since there seems to be a gap between human and robotic bipedal movements at least for the moment, will it be simpler to just jam a bunch of cyborg electronics into the human body(which is technically a machine that already knows how to run and jump and navigate through physical environments on its own) than to slog through however many years it'll take for bipedal robots like Asimo to surpass humans physically. After all, i remember reading an article about a man in France who has already become the worlds first living cyborg (he has a robotic eye which is also a functioning camera) and is already capable of going around and conducting his own affairs, whereas most bipedal robots have trouble navigating through uncontrolled environments. Our evolution has already created a machine that can walk around and survive just about every biome on earth, why not just upgrade it instead of reinventing the wheel?

I apply the same logic to inventing conscious machines. "AGI" as they're calling it. I'm like human cognition is solved. Invent a motherboard and some expansion peripherals and you got superintelligence. Think about the fact that we've been an incomprehensible level of advanced to the civilisation before written language was invented in terms of storage capacity and ease of access to information for thousands of years now.

Human brain is strong as fuck in a lot of areas but deficient as fuck in many others. Machines are strong as fuck in many of these other areas but deficient as fuck, for the most part, in the bits the meatware covers well. My best guess is (talking about decades away, mature technology here, not the shit that's coming out the next couple of years) that an average person, with full ar, and closely mentally linked to massive cloud-based AI, would be capable of outhinking and mentally outperforming you in any broadly mental task, to the same degree the smartest genius alive today could in one or two narrow fields.

So back to cybernetics. Yeah - I totally get how having all the autonomic stuff coded for without the infinitely more complex task of creating an autonomous pilot to drive it will mean that we'll be the ideal control module for humanoid robotic vehicles. Human beings are fucking amazing at driving bipedal ape-based robots about the planet. It'll take a fair while til asimo is doing parkour.
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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2015, 08:39:51 pm »
Pretty much yea. My logic is, that since there seems to be a gap between human and robotic bipedal movements at least for the moment, will it be simpler to just jam a bunch of cyborg electronics into the human body(which is technically a machine that already knows how to run and jump and navigate through physical environments on its own) than to slog through however many years it'll take for bipedal robots like Asimo to surpass humans physically. After all, i remember reading an article about a man in France who has already become the worlds first living cyborg (he has a robotic eye which is also a functioning camera) and is already capable of going around and conducting his own affairs, whereas most bipedal robots have trouble navigating through uncontrolled environments. Our evolution has already created a machine that can walk around and survive just about every biome on earth, why not just upgrade it instead of reinventing the wheel?

Your question is a mobius strip.

If you're asking whether robotics has biomedical applications, I believe the answer is duh.
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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2015, 08:41:46 pm »


I apply the same logic to inventing conscious machines. "AGI" as they're calling it. I'm like human cognition is solved.

What?

I can't have read that right.
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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2015, 11:26:37 pm »


I apply the same logic to inventing conscious machines. "AGI" as they're calling it. I'm like human cognition is solved.

What?

I can't have read that right.

We're it?
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« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2015, 12:46:54 am »


I apply the same logic to inventing conscious machines. "AGI" as they're calling it. I'm like human cognition is solved.

What?

I can't have read that right.

We're it?

Ah, gotcha. I thought you were saying we understand it.
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