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The Foxhole With The Atheist
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2017, 02:44:45 am »
This was good writing why did it confuse everyone?


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Re: The Foxhole With The Atheist
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2017, 04:25:34 am »
This was good writing why did it confuse everyone?

I have wondered that myself.
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: The Foxhole With The Atheist
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2017, 07:03:55 am »
This was good writing why did it confuse everyone?

I have wondered that myself.

Me three.  Made me thinks of Abraham vs, Son viz. Kierkegaard:
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Like the terms “aesthetic” and “religious”, the term “ethics” in Kierkegaard’s work has more than one meaning. It is used to denote both: (i) a limited existential sphere, or stage, which is superseded by the higher stage of the religious life; and (ii) an aspect of life which is retained even within the religious life. In the first sense “ethics” is synonymous with the Hegelian notion of Sittlichkeit, or customary mores. In this sense “ethics” represents “the universal”, or more accurately the prevailing social norms. These social norms are used as reasons to make sense of, or justify, an action within a community. Even human sacrifice is justified in terms of how it serves the community, so that when Agamemnon sacrifices his daughter Iphigenia he is regarded as a tragic hero since his community understands that the sacrifice is required by the gods for the success of the Greek expedition to Troy (Fear and Trembling).

Kierkegaard, however, recognizes duties that cannot be justified in terms of social norms. Much of Fear and Trembling turns on the notion that Abraham’s would-be sacrifice of his son Isaac is ineffable in terms of social norms, and requires a “teleological suspension of the ethical”. That is, Abraham recognizes a duty to something higher than both his social duty not to kill an innocent person and his personal commitment to his beloved son, viz. his duty to obey God’s commands. However, he cannot give an intelligible ethical justification of his act to the community in terms of social norms, but must simply obey the divine command.

But in order to arrive at a position of religious faith, which might entail a “teleological suspension of the ethical”, the individual must first embrace the ethical (in the first sense). In order to raise oneself beyond the merely aesthetic life, which is a life of drifting in imagination, possibility and sensation, one needs to make a commitment. That is, the aesthete needs to choose the ethical, which entails a commitment to communication and decision procedures.
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Re: The Foxhole With The Atheist
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2017, 01:21:18 pm »
Because it involves atheism, which to some people provokes a knee-jerk reaction to interject "Yes, but..." regardless of the content.

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Re: The Foxhole With The Atheist
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2017, 04:08:10 pm »
Because it involves atheism, which to some people provokes a knee-jerk reaction to interject "Yes, but..." regardless of the content.

Ahhhh, that explains a lot!
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: The Foxhole With The Atheist
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2017, 05:52:16 pm »
I explained why it confused me. Was I not contrite enough?

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Re: The Foxhole With The Atheist
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2017, 07:22:10 pm »
I take issue with the use of the foxhole, as foxes are pretty small creatures and there's no way two humans could fit in a hole made by one, even if one of them has a biologically smaller atheist brain (why God can't fit in it).
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Re: The Foxhole With The Atheist
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2017, 07:49:15 pm »
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Re: The Foxhole With The Atheist
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2017, 02:22:50 am »
I take issue with the use of the foxhole, as foxes are pretty small creatures and there's no way two humans could fit in a hole made by one, even if one of them has a biologically smaller atheist brain (why God can't fit in it).

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“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: The Foxhole With The Atheist
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2017, 07:42:45 pm »
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Re: The Foxhole With The Atheist
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2017, 08:48:04 pm »
This made me want to be an atheist. I'm not, but I'd definitely rather be "in a foxhole" with one such as this than 99% of the theists out there.
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