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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #210 on: January 02, 2016, 11:05:07 pm »
I can't stop loling at the Clinton campaign's "7 ways Hillary Clinton is like your abuela" post.

"Hillary Clinton: Just like your Hispanic grandmother! Except neither Hispanic nor your grandmother."

Yeah, it's pretty awkward.  :lol:

I'm not even Mexican and i feel patronized.
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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #211 on: February 03, 2016, 01:24:43 am »
Today, I was surprised to recall that Lawrence Lessig is running for president.  Then I was like, wait a minute, didn't I like some of his work?  Preliminarily, I can find nothing wrong with him, and he seems to generally do the right thing.  Even admitting that he does not really want to be president is in keeping with the kind of hidden traits I may be looking for in a candidate.  So, excepting previous political experience, what's wrong with this one?
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« Reply #212 on: February 03, 2016, 01:32:27 am »
His late entry and complete and utter lack of any kind of support base.  He should've declared much earlier...and truth be told, the best way to get a political machine behind you is to run for another office first.  That would also deal with the "inexperience" criticism.

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« Reply #213 on: February 03, 2016, 06:13:01 am »
I mean, only being able to hold (lack of) campaign strategy against him is something I could be proud of.
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« Reply #214 on: February 03, 2016, 04:31:05 pm »
Today, I was surprised to recall that Lawrence Lessig is running for president.  Then I was like, wait a minute, didn't I like some of his work?  Preliminarily, I can find nothing wrong with him, and he seems to generally do the right thing.  Even admitting that he does not really want to be president is in keeping with the kind of hidden traits I may be looking for in a candidate.  So, excepting previous political experience, what's wrong with this one?

He's not charismatic enough
He doesn't understand geopolitics enough to have a foreign policy
He doesn't know anything about how laws are made
He doesn't know anything about how to run a city, let alone a state or country
He pledged to give up the job as soon as his pet project was finished, which while some may find that admirable is actually a huge slap in the face to voters and the entire concepts of government and democracy
He had no ability to connect with an audience outside the hyper liberal or nerd crowd

Also this: https://rebelnews.com/annageoffroy/larry-lessig-leaves-democratic-race/
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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #215 on: February 03, 2016, 04:36:43 pm »
Is there any reason for not talking about Trump's bankruptcies and Mob connections more? It would seem somewhat relevant and I don't understand how he's still a thing.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #216 on: February 03, 2016, 06:09:58 pm »
Is there any reason for not talking about Trump's bankruptcies and Mob connections more? It would seem somewhat relevant and I don't understand how he's still a thing.

The Donald claims his bankruptcies are proof he is a savvy businessman who knows how to use the law to his advantage.

As for the other, I can only assume people are unaware to the extent that the Mob runs not only casinos, but also the construction business.  That, or they think it makes him more alpha and manly or something.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #217 on: February 03, 2016, 07:04:15 pm »
Is there any reason for not talking about Trump's bankruptcies and Mob connections more? It would seem somewhat relevant and I don't understand how he's still a thing.

The Donald claims his bankruptcies are proof he is a savvy businessman who knows how to use the law to his advantage.

As for the other, I can only assume people are unaware to the extent that the Mob runs not only casinos, but also the construction business.  That, or they think it makes him more alpha and manly or something.

The manly man, alpha male thing is a major part of Donald Trump’s appeal to many of his supporters.

Has anyone here ever run across The Hall of Manly Excellence forum? These wacky, zany, self-proclaimed alpha males absolutely adore Donald Trump. You can verify it for yourselves by reading some of the posts in their “Trump 2016” topic right here:

http://manlyexcellence.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35664

Actually, their entire forum is quite a hoot. Here’s the link to the forum index page:

http://manlyexcellence.com/forum/index.php?sid=b4f9040673334c3c38f93274e9cf539f



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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #218 on: February 03, 2016, 07:18:50 pm »
Trump is considered badass because it behooves the puppeteers to create a vehicle that seems to embody principles of independence and self-reliance ("manly") while still being just a puppet.  In turn, this distracts the voters from their own strings.  It's win-win.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #219 on: February 03, 2016, 08:27:45 pm »
“The One Weird Trait That Predicts Whether You’re a Trump Supporter”

“If I asked you what most defines Donald Trump supporters, what would you say? They’re white? They’re poor? They’re uneducated?

You’d be wrong.

In fact, I’ve found a single statistically significant variable predicts whether a voter supports Trump—and it’s not race, income or education levels: It’s authoritarianism.”

Here’s the link to the article:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533

I think this authoritarianism ties into the appeal many have for the manly man, alpha male thing.


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« Reply #220 on: February 03, 2016, 10:18:26 pm »
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« Reply #221 on: February 04, 2016, 12:39:05 am »
Is there any reason for not talking about Trump's bankruptcies and Mob connections more? It would seem somewhat relevant and I don't understand how he's still a thing.

The Donald claims his bankruptcies are proof he is a savvy businessman who knows how to use the law to his advantage.

As for the other, I can only assume people are unaware to the extent that the Mob runs not only casinos, but also the construction business.  That, or they think it makes him more alpha and manly or something.

Buh-what?
If someone does the “Fine, you’re right, I’m clearly a terrible person, I’m Satan, I’m the worst person alive, I should just die” thing in response to criticism of their harmful behavior, they are trying to manipulate people and flip the situation around so that they look like a victim.

As a neuroscientist I have to disagree with the perception that anyone is doing mathematical modeling of cognitive intelligence, yet; intelligence as an economist defines it, yes, but economists are worlds away from actual cognition.


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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #222 on: February 04, 2016, 01:00:17 am »
JFK had mob ties and I have never heard that mentioned as a bad thing.  I don't think people mind mostly.  Personally I think the multiple bankruptcies are a worse reflection on him.  The US government defaulting would be bad news.  (not that it would happen, even if he was elected and was a disaster, but still)

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« Reply #223 on: February 04, 2016, 01:15:14 am »
JFK had mob ties and I have never heard that mentioned as a bad thing.  I don't think people mind mostly.  Personally I think the multiple bankruptcies are a worse reflection on him.  The US government defaulting would be bad news.  (not that it would happen, even if he was elected and was a disaster, but still)

Technically it was JFK's father.  The Mob itself never forgave JFK for letting Bobby go after them during his time as Attorney General. Also there was the whole Mafia/Cuba/CIA thing.  Certain people did make great hay of Joseph Kennedy's Mob connections, but they never took ground because JFK made a good show of going up against them.

Also, and you may not be aware of this, but the Mob are pretty bad people.  The US can survive a default, it's the global reserve currency, with nukes.  It can't be ignored, the debt will be written off or delayed.  Having a President with Mob connections, on the other hand, could undermine the entire political process.  Look at how badly the Cosa Nostra harmed the workings of the Italian Republic, in no small part due to their connection with powerful political figures.

Is there any reason for not talking about Trump's bankruptcies and Mob connections more? It would seem somewhat relevant and I don't understand how he's still a thing.

The Donald claims his bankruptcies are proof he is a savvy businessman who knows how to use the law to his advantage.

As for the other, I can only assume people are unaware to the extent that the Mob runs not only casinos, but also the construction business.  That, or they think it makes him more alpha and manly or something.

Buh-what?

Construction has always been a strongly mobbed up business.  The mobs can control the unions, keep the workers in line, control the supply of goods and embezzle the difference.  Another strongly organized crime affiliated industry is garbage disposal.

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« Reply #224 on: February 04, 2016, 01:53:37 am »
I didn't know any of that.  Well, except for the Mob being bad people.  Learning!  :awesome:
If someone does the “Fine, you’re right, I’m clearly a terrible person, I’m Satan, I’m the worst person alive, I should just die” thing in response to criticism of their harmful behavior, they are trying to manipulate people and flip the situation around so that they look like a victim.

As a neuroscientist I have to disagree with the perception that anyone is doing mathematical modeling of cognitive intelligence, yet; intelligence as an economist defines it, yes, but economists are worlds away from actual cognition.


Although it is outside the purview of this organization to offer personal advice, we can say -- without assuming any liability -- that previous experience indicates (and recent market studies corroborate) that given the present condition of the marketplace, continuing with your present course of action is likely to result in substantial in