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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #540 on: July 24, 2016, 05:57:32 pm »
On a slightly different note, is greenwald/intercept worth it's own thread? This is not the first time at taking a very strange approach with information received.  Any notable related parties possibly steering the ship?

Possibly.  We know Pierre Omidyar really runs the show over there.  But if anything Omidyar's plugged into the American political elite.

If anything, elements of the Snowden story now do make me more suspicious.  I don't think Snowden is a Russian spy, like some crazies claim.  But I think he may have been duped/pushed...and there are suspicious discrepancies in his story.  Dates of movement, number of files taken and given...that sort of thing.  And there is Russian infiltration of the NSA, both direct and further down the feeds (Canada, of all places).  If there's a point of entry by which First Look media is being manipulated, it is probably via that or Wikileaks...as Assange not only worked for Russia Today and helped arrange for Snowden to get to Russia, but has voiced some rather strong pro-Russian statements in the past.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #541 on: July 24, 2016, 06:02:58 pm »
If you want more evidence on the DNC hack being linked to Russia, btw

https://twitter.com/RidT/status/751325844002529280

For those who don't tech speak, basically some of the same Malware control servers used in the DNC hack were also used in a hack on the Bundestag...also allegedly carried out by Russian intelligence.

I've considered writing this up for some kind of big publication, but given the amount of shit people are getting on social media just for putting these pieces together...well, life is too short to mess around with people who play chess one move at at a time.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #542 on: July 24, 2016, 07:49:36 pm »
I want you all to know that if you never hear from me again I've had a hate aneurysm after listening to Trump's speech before bed. Every single republican who cheered for "protecting the lives of LGBT Americans" while enthusiastically supporting bathroom bills that put the lives of trans people in immediate danger can choke to death on every toy bad dragon produces. I hate them all.

To be fair, it's not like they're trying to legalize assaulting these people. I mean, some of them might also want to do that but that's a seperate matter clearly beyond the scope of the bill. The bathroom bill strikes me as clearly coming more from a place of contempt rather than of hate. Your argument that it endangers trans people does more to show the need for a crackdown on hate crimes than to showcase any inherent failing of the bills.

That said I do oppose the bathroom compliance bills as I consider them to be much ado about nothing and if enacted their sole effect would be to waste government resources to no valid end. Bathroom compliance os irrelevant, regardless of gender and/or sex.
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« Reply #543 on: July 24, 2016, 08:06:23 pm »
I want you all to know that if you never hear from me again I've had a hate aneurysm after listening to Trump's speech before bed. Every single republican who cheered for "protecting the lives of LGBT Americans" while enthusiastically supporting bathroom bills that put the lives of trans people in immediate danger can choke to death on every toy bad dragon produces. I hate them all.

To be fair, it's not like they're trying to legalize assaulting these people. I mean, some of them might also want to do that but that's a seperate matter clearly beyond the scope of the bill. The bathroom bill strikes me as clearly coming more from a place of contempt rather than of hate. Your argument that it endangers trans people does more to show the need for a crackdown on hate crimes than to showcase any inherent failing of the bills.

That said I do oppose the bathroom compliance bills as I consider them to be much ado about nothing and if enacted their sole effect would be to waste government resources to no valid end. Bathroom compliance os irrelevant, regardless of gender and/or sex.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #544 on: July 24, 2016, 09:33:00 pm »
I want you all to know that if you never hear from me again I've had a hate aneurysm after listening to Trump's speech before bed. Every single republican who cheered for "protecting the lives of LGBT Americans" while enthusiastically supporting bathroom bills that put the lives of trans people in immediate danger can choke to death on every toy bad dragon produces. I hate them all.

To be fair, it's not like they're trying to legalize assaulting these people. I mean, some of them might also want to do that but that's a seperate matter clearly beyond the scope of the bill. The bathroom bill strikes me as clearly coming more from a place of contempt rather than of hate. Your argument that it endangers trans people does more to show the need for a crackdown on hate crimes than to showcase any inherent failing of the bills.

That said I do oppose the bathroom compliance bills as I consider them to be much ado about nothing and if enacted their sole effect would be to waste government resources to no valid end. Bathroom compliance os irrelevant, regardless of gender and/or sex.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #545 on: July 24, 2016, 11:42:53 pm »
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From that twitter link. Wow.
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« Reply #546 on: July 25, 2016, 04:21:58 am »

To be fair, it's not like they're trying to legalize assaulting these people.

No.  They are only saying that it's okay to do so on a moral level.
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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #547 on: July 25, 2016, 06:15:44 am »

To be fair, it's not like they're trying to legalize assaulting these people.

No.  They are only saying that it's okay to do so on a moral level.

They actually are.  Not for just being trans, but for being trans and being in the "wrong" bathroom.  They are, if you look at what has happened with black folks breaking minor laws, trying to make it legally ok to kill trans people for being in the wrong bathroom, at least for cops to kill them.

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« Reply #548 on: July 25, 2016, 08:36:18 am »
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14) Tldr: this "lone hacker" uses many VMs, speaks Russian; username is founder of USSR secret police & likes laundering docs via Wikileaks.

From that twitter link. Wow.

When it's this blatant, it's pretty hard to deny.

Thus why I feel like I'm on crazy pills.  No wonder spies go insane and off the deep end all the time, this is probably how the Foreign Office and MI6 felt in the 1930s in Berlin.

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« Reply #549 on: July 25, 2016, 09:40:04 am »
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14) Tldr: this "lone hacker" uses many VMs, speaks Russian; username is founder of USSR secret police & likes laundering docs via Wikileaks.

From that twitter link. Wow.

When it's this blatant, it's pretty hard to deny.

Thus why I feel like I'm on crazy pills.  No wonder spies go insane and off the deep end all the time, this is probably how the Foreign Office and MI6 felt in the 1930s in Berlin.

Blatant seems too soft a word. Between this lot and Trumps actual actions such as the (lack) of policy stances certainly does point to outside interests steering his actions to no small degree. I'd be interested in seeing more solid financial links between Trump and the various Russian oligarchs that are mentioned. While this can probably be explained to a degree through business interests, Putin is notorious for essentially using close friends to launder money and exert control. With Trump's past, I can easily see more than one of his "developments" just being a washing operation.

It doesn't look good for US/RUS relations in the near-mid future either way though. If Putin's successful he'll get a puppet who will make Nixon look like the most charismatic and reasonable guy you ever heard of. Popularity rankings will not be high. These kind of connections get widely made a few years in and it's a shitshow till the end of his term.

Alternatively, you get Clinton, who may or may not shout about these links. Putin now has no puppet and is somewhat out of pocket. I wonder how long it will take a narky autocrat to think that expanding his territory is the thing that will put a smile back on his face? I'd guess about 3 months or so. Add in decent prep time and you're looking at another annexation in what? Mid 17 to early 18?

Please feel free to tell me I'm crazy and way off. I'd like to do the same for you, but I can't with a straight face.
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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #550 on: July 25, 2016, 12:01:25 pm »
The Washington Post had a more in depth look at Trump's Russian financial links, I don't have a link to hand but it was published on July 16th I believe.

One problem is that Clinton is (to a much lesser extent) also compromised.  The Clinton Foundation was involved in a...situation involving Russian money and uranium.

My concern is that a President Trump would embolden Russian provocation in the Baltic, given his comments about not necessarily coming to the aid of a NATO ally.  Russia has sizeable minorities in all three states, which have undoubtedly been treated pretty shabbily by their national governments.  Any kind of Crimean re-run could ignite a war between European NATO powers and Russia, with America on the sidelines.  And given NATO was always designed around America being the primary combatant, with other member states providing specialist support units...well, without America, things would be quite bad.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #551 on: July 25, 2016, 12:37:32 pm »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-fundraising-emails-overseas-prompt-complaints-here-and-abroad/2016/06/29/ad66a1e2-3e0a-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html

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The emails to Gale were among a wave of fundraising pleas inexplicably sent by the Trump campaign in recent days to lawmakers in the United Kingdom, Iceland, Australia and elsewhere. The solicitations prompted watchdog groups in Washington to file two separate complaints Wednesday with the Federal Election Commission alleging that the Trump campaign was violating federal law by soliciting funds from foreign nationals.

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Another fundraising pitch sent to the same account last week was signed by the candidate himself. “Hillary Clinton is a world-class liar,” it said.

“I don’t know if someone at Team Trump was stupid enough to think that all Conservative Party MPs would consider themselves Republicans,” Gale said. “But I asked around, and it seems that most others did get these emails, too.”

Not the article in question, but another exploring Trump's less that cautious solicitation of foreign funds.

A third possibility occurs - Trump is just willing to take money from anyone, strings or no strings attached, legality for a future court to determine after it's been given and spent. While unlikely, I don't think we can rule out simple fraud and embezzlement just yet.

I would suggest that your concern RE baltic states may be worse than suspected. I can see a situation where Russia plays the "Let's annex X" game and is supported in this by the US. I'm pretty sure it would be fairly easily to convince the population that X are harbouring terrorists and we need to help Russia bring X into the fold. Russia will be the obvious supervisor of X due to their historic links and it will make US citizens safer. Collaboration seems to be much more profitable and convenient for both sides.
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« Reply #552 on: July 25, 2016, 12:38:53 pm »
Also, suspect this is the first article in question:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/donald-trumps-most-enduring--and-unbefitting--trait/2016/07/15/f5684848-488b-11e6-acbc-4d4870a079da_story.html

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Plenty of financial and real estate players got carried away in the go-go 1980s. But Trump was in a class by himself.

He ended up presiding over six — count ’em, six — bankruptcies because he kept making business decisions with his gut rather than with his brain.

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“The Apprentice” was a pivotal event for Trump. It made him into a truly national figure, and he says the show paid him more than $200 million during its run.

Even in the strange world of TV payments and salaries, this seems like an extraordinary sum. The most likely explanations here are either lying, mentally ill or he's actually been paid this amount. With his past, I'm leaning to two of the three.
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« Reply #553 on: July 25, 2016, 05:57:26 pm »
Also, suspect this is the first article in question:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/donald-trumps-most-enduring--and-unbefitting--trait/2016/07/15/f5684848-488b-11e6-acbc-4d4870a079da_story.html

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Plenty of financial and real estate players got carried away in the go-go 1980s. But Trump was in a class by himself.

He ended up presiding over six — count ’em, six — bankruptcies because he kept making business decisions with his gut rather than with his brain.

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“The Apprentice” was a pivotal event for Trump. It made him into a truly national figure, and he says the show paid him more than $200 million during its run.

Even in the strange world of TV payments and salaries, this seems like an extraordinary sum. The most likely explanations here are either lying, mentally ill or he's actually been paid this amount. With his past, I'm leaning to two of the three.

That's about $140k per episode, or $14m/year for the 14 years it ran.
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« Reply #554 on: July 25, 2016, 06:02:58 pm »
So, more than Mario Batali or Alain Ducasse, but less than Gordon Ramsay, Rachael Ray, Wolfgang Puck, and Paula Deen.

Sorry, didn't know what else to compare him to except TV chefs, I am kind of out of the reality-tv loop.
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