Author Topic: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.  (Read 96018 times)

Cain

  • Alea iacta est
  • Chekha
  • Deserved It
  • ****
  • Posts: 106184
    • View Profile
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #585 on: July 27, 2016, 07:39:47 pm »
Oh, and check this out

https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-hacked-emails-of-dnc-oppo-researcher-point-to-russians-and-wider-penetration-154121061.html

Quote
Just weeks after she started preparing opposition research files on Donald Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort last spring, Democratic National Committee consultant Alexandra Chalupa got an alarming message when she logged into her personal Yahoo email account.

“Important action required,” read a pop-up box from a Yahoo security team that is informally known as “the Paranoids.” “We strongly suspect that your account has been the target of state-sponsored actors.”

Chalupa — who had been drafting memos and writing emails about Manafort’s connection to pro-Russian political leaders in Ukraine — quickly alerted top DNC officials. “Since I started digging into Manafort, these messages have been a daily oc­­­­currence on my Yahoo account despite changing my p­­a­ssword often,” she wrote in a May 3 email to Luis Miranda, the DNC’s communications director, which included an attached screengrab of the image of the Yahoo security warning.

This is a widespread sabotage campaign of your elections.

If the US doesn't respond to this, you may as well roll over and let Russian hackers gut your entire country.

LMNO

  • Lubricated and Rabid Lungfish of Impending Sexdoom™
  • Deserved It
  • ****
  • Posts: 87617
  • Internet Fuckweasel of Haunted Pork Dimensions.
    • View Profile
    • Earfatigue Productions: When it has to sound like you give a shit.
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #586 on: July 27, 2016, 07:41:57 pm »
I'm amazed how quiet everyone's being about this.

Cain

  • Alea iacta est
  • Chekha
  • Deserved It
  • ****
  • Posts: 106184
    • View Profile
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #587 on: July 27, 2016, 07:52:39 pm »
Kick up a storm yourself.  It's what I've been trying to do, via social media.

The press is finally starting to stir, thanks to Josh Marshall and Dan Drezner.  NYT, Daily Beast, WaPo, Atlantic...everyone's discussing Trump's potential links to Russia now, and what a Russian hack and Russian manipulation of the American elections actually means. 

So I'd start with those publications.  Spread them around, get people talking.  Beyond this being a chance to bury Trump (which is no small thing), it's also about your national security.  Russia is manipulating your elections.  It's not going to stop, it's going to get worse.  Unless they're held accountable and made to pay for their actions.

The Good Reverend Roger

  • Horrible Bastard
  • One-Armed Jizz Moppers
  • Deserved It
  • **
  • Posts: 36736
    • View Profile
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #588 on: July 27, 2016, 08:19:37 pm »
OK.  I'm feeling less like I'm on crazy pills now.

Though Trump was asked about the DNC hack, and basically said "I hope Putin has Clinton's emails too".  And talked about her VP "Tom Kean", advocated torture and withdrawal from the Geneva Convention.

Godwin's Law doesn't apply if you're talking about actual Nazis.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

 "Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

  • Horrible Bastard
  • One-Armed Jizz Moppers
  • Deserved It
  • **
  • Posts: 36736
    • View Profile
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #589 on: July 27, 2016, 08:20:30 pm »
I'm amazed how quiet everyone's being about this.

It's the new normal.  It's what we wanted.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

 "Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Junkenstein

  • Technically-Oriented & Horribly Mobile Crecy of Crab Lice.
  • Deserved It
  • ****
  • Posts: 115861
    • View Profile
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #590 on: July 27, 2016, 08:20:46 pm »
Almost makes you wonder if they (Russia) have taken any interest in any other recent votes.

Surely that's just silly and paranoid.
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

The Good Reverend Roger

  • Horrible Bastard
  • One-Armed Jizz Moppers
  • Deserved It
  • **
  • Posts: 36736
    • View Profile
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #591 on: July 27, 2016, 08:22:36 pm »
Almost makes you wonder if they (Russia) have taken any interest in any other recent votes.

Surely that's just silly and paranoid.

*looks at congress*

Not actually necessary until now.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

 "Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Emo Howard

  • Rooty Tooty Schadenfreude
  • Deserved It
  • ****
  • Posts: 33260
  • Personal Text
    • View Profile
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #592 on: July 27, 2016, 08:24:35 pm »
Seems like a good time to start Trump: Secret RussianTM memes that parody the Obama: Secret MuslimTM stuff.

Cain

  • Alea iacta est
  • Chekha
  • Deserved It
  • ****
  • Posts: 106184
    • View Profile
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #593 on: July 27, 2016, 08:30:03 pm »
Almost makes you wonder if they (Russia) have taken any interest in any other recent votes.

Surely that's just silly and paranoid.

*looks at congress*

Not actually necessary until now.

I think Junk was referring to a recent referendum in the UK, where at least one of the major parties involved is lead by a man who openly admires Putin, and whose European, eurosceptic allies are often funded by Russian money.

Cain

  • Alea iacta est
  • Chekha
  • Deserved It
  • ****
  • Posts: 106184
    • View Profile
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #594 on: July 27, 2016, 08:42:31 pm »
That said I don't recall any suspicious leaks of data which could have been of benefit.

Junkenstein

  • Technically-Oriented & Horribly Mobile Crecy of Crab Lice.
  • Deserved It
  • ****
  • Posts: 115861
    • View Profile
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #595 on: July 27, 2016, 08:58:46 pm »
That's no guarantee that funding didn't drift through though.

And to be honest, I was just thinking about anywhere where Russia's interests would be advanced with certain parties/policies. I could point a finger at more than a few in Europe. I'm sure there's some kind of overt lobby group in the US for Russian interests too.

As for congress, there must be at least a couple there on Putin's payroll, surely?
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

The Good Reverend Roger

  • Horrible Bastard
  • One-Armed Jizz Moppers
  • Deserved It
  • **
  • Posts: 36736
    • View Profile
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #596 on: July 27, 2016, 09:12:58 pm »
That's no guarantee that funding didn't drift through though.

And to be honest, I was just thinking about anywhere where Russia's interests would be advanced with certain parties/policies. I could point a finger at more than a few in Europe. I'm sure there's some kind of overt lobby group in the US for Russian interests too.

As for congress, there must be at least a couple there on Putin's payroll, surely?

Probably not.  We're plenty spastic enough to do that without their assistant.  Seriously, it's really hard to explain to an outsider.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

 "Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Pergamos

  • Deserved It
  • ****
  • Posts: 16904
  • Did it for the cookies.
    • View Profile
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #597 on: July 27, 2016, 09:23:30 pm »
Quote
I'm inclined to believe they weren't edited, because quite frankly if they were the revelations would be a lot more damaging.  But Wikileaks does not give any fucks either way regarding the possibility, apparently, or else they would have noticed the same thing and asked for the raw files.

Wikileaks aside for the moment, is not the hack in and of its-self, regardless on contents revealed, an indication of general security arrangements? Clinton has had plenty of shit of late over email severs and possible security lapses so I'd suggest that part of the motive is just to feed that narrative more. "Oh look, now they've left X accessible, she can't possibly be trusted with national security". I think this may be one of those unusual hacks where it's not so much about any information, just pointing out that X is not as secure as X claims, indirectly boosting Y's credentials.

The fun will really start if there's some kind of Trump hack because you just know so much of his material is going to be quite libellous.

There won't be.

Why not?  There are plenty of hackers on the left who despise Trump.

The Good Reverend Roger

  • Horrible Bastard
  • One-Armed Jizz Moppers
  • Deserved It
  • **
  • Posts: 36736
    • View Profile
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #598 on: July 27, 2016, 09:36:35 pm »
Quote
I'm inclined to believe they weren't edited, because quite frankly if they were the revelations would be a lot more damaging.  But Wikileaks does not give any fucks either way regarding the possibility, apparently, or else they would have noticed the same thing and asked for the raw files.

Wikileaks aside for the moment, is not the hack in and of its-self, regardless on contents revealed, an indication of general security arrangements? Clinton has had plenty of shit of late over email severs and possible security lapses so I'd suggest that part of the motive is just to feed that narrative more. "Oh look, now they've left X accessible, she can't possibly be trusted with national security". I think this may be one of those unusual hacks where it's not so much about any information, just pointing out that X is not as secure as X claims, indirectly boosting Y's credentials.

The fun will really start if there's some kind of Trump hack because you just know so much of his material is going to be quite libellous.

There won't be.

Why not?  There are plenty of hackers on the left who despise Trump.

*looks around*

Yeah?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

 "Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

  • Alea iacta est
  • Chekha
  • Deserved It
  • ****
  • Posts: 106184
    • View Profile
Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #599 on: July 27, 2016, 10:13:16 pm »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/07/27/by-november-russian-hackers-could-target-voting-machines/

Quote
Retaliation is politically fraught and could have serious consequences, but this is an attack against our democracy. We need to confront Russian President Vladimir Putin in some way — politically, economically or in cyberspace — and make it clear that we will not tolerate this kind of interference by any government. Regardless of your political leanings this time, there’s no guarantee the next country that tries to manipulate our elections will share your preferred candidates.

Even more important, we need to secure our election systems before autumn. If Putin’s government has already used a cyberattack to attempt to help Trump win, there’s no reason to believe he won’t do it again — especially now that Trump is inviting the “help.”

Over the years, more and more states have moved to electronic voting machines and have flirted with Internet voting. These systems are insecure and vulnerable to attack.

But while computer security experts like me have sounded the alarm for many years, states have largely ignored the threat, and the machine manufacturers have thrown up enough obfuscating babble that election officials are largely mollified.

We no longer have time for that. We must ignore the machine manufacturers’ spurious claims of security, create tiger teams to test the machines’ and systems’ resistance to attack, drastically increase their cyber-defenses and take them offline if we can’t guarantee their security online.