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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #795 on: September 20, 2016, 01:52:08 am »
When this centuries propaganda is s studied in the future this is going to be a fantastic example of the big lie.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #796 on: September 20, 2016, 02:12:23 am »
When this centuries propaganda is s studied in the future this is going to be a fantastic example of the big lie.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #797 on: September 20, 2016, 02:27:06 am »
Meanwhile, the press and Hillary Clinton are discussing Pepe the Frog.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #799 on: September 20, 2016, 04:46:22 pm »
^^^^^^^^^ Loved this,but if its TL;DR try

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #800 on: September 20, 2016, 06:05:12 pm »
Cain, can I get some perspective on this shit? http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/emails-show-clinton-foundation-donor-reached-out-hillary-clinton-arms-export-boost

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Emails just released by the State Department appear to show Clinton Foundation officials brokering a meeting between then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and a top military leader of Bahrain — a Middle Eastern country that is a major foundation donor. Soon after the correspondence about a meeting, Clinton’s State Department significantly increased arms export authorizations to the country’s autocratic government, even as that nation moved to crush pro-democracy protests.

I'm still not gonna stop supporting Hillary, because the alternative is unthinkable, but this seems really bad.
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« Reply #801 on: September 20, 2016, 06:07:36 pm »
"Goebbels realm" was nice too.
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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #802 on: September 20, 2016, 06:14:57 pm »
Cain, can I get some perspective on this shit? http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/emails-show-clinton-foundation-donor-reached-out-hillary-clinton-arms-export-boost

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Emails just released by the State Department appear to show Clinton Foundation officials brokering a meeting between then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and a top military leader of Bahrain — a Middle Eastern country that is a major foundation donor. Soon after the correspondence about a meeting, Clinton’s State Department significantly increased arms export authorizations to the country’s autocratic government, even as that nation moved to crush pro-democracy protests.

I'm still not gonna stop supporting Hillary, because the alternative is unthinkable, but this seems really bad.

For what it's worth, that's standard practice in the UK. Most visits, particularly to troubled countries by officials are often just a pretense to an arms deal or 6. There's at least 3 dedicated cabinet posts were selling arms gets you a gold star. Good for the economy, see?

In this context, think "would trump make better or worse arms deals than clinton?". That should tell you everything.

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« Reply #803 on: September 20, 2016, 07:44:16 pm »
Cain, can I get some perspective on this shit? http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/emails-show-clinton-foundation-donor-reached-out-hillary-clinton-arms-export-boost

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Emails just released by the State Department appear to show Clinton Foundation officials brokering a meeting between then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and a top military leader of Bahrain — a Middle Eastern country that is a major foundation donor. Soon after the correspondence about a meeting, Clinton’s State Department significantly increased arms export authorizations to the country’s autocratic government, even as that nation moved to crush pro-democracy protests.

I'm still not gonna stop supporting Hillary, because the alternative is unthinkable, but this seems really bad.

For what it's worth, that's standard practice in the UK. Most visits, particularly to troubled countries by officials are often just a pretense to an arms deal or 6. There's at least 3 dedicated cabinet posts were selling arms gets you a gold star. Good for the economy, see?

In this context, think "would trump make better or worse arms deals than clinton?". That should tell you everything.

Yeah, it's still "shit sandwich vs. shit sandwich with ebola," but it would be nice if she was a little less of a shit sandwich.
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« Reply #804 on: September 20, 2016, 08:11:18 pm »
It also displays some of the lobbying issues that have been ongoing for a while now too. But again then question and context is "would trump be more or less of a tool than Clinton?". The cronyism under trump would make bush blush.
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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #805 on: September 20, 2016, 08:18:31 pm »
As far as I can tell, no proof of quid pro quo is there.  It's shady, but I have the feeling it's politics as normal.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #806 on: September 20, 2016, 08:48:37 pm »
Cain, can I get some perspective on this shit? http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/emails-show-clinton-foundation-donor-reached-out-hillary-clinton-arms-export-boost

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Emails just released by the State Department appear to show Clinton Foundation officials brokering a meeting between then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and a top military leader of Bahrain — a Middle Eastern country that is a major foundation donor. Soon after the correspondence about a meeting, Clinton’s State Department significantly increased arms export authorizations to the country’s autocratic government, even as that nation moved to crush pro-democracy protests.

I'm still not gonna stop supporting Hillary, because the alternative is unthinkable, but this seems really bad.

I would be more tempted to give it credence if the guy who wrote the piece didn't have a stint working for Bernie Sanders on his cv. Facts never speak for themselves.
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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #807 on: September 21, 2016, 01:19:24 am »
Cain, can I get some perspective on this shit? http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/emails-show-clinton-foundation-donor-reached-out-hillary-clinton-arms-export-boost

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Emails just released by the State Department appear to show Clinton Foundation officials brokering a meeting between then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and a top military leader of Bahrain — a Middle Eastern country that is a major foundation donor. Soon after the correspondence about a meeting, Clinton’s State Department significantly increased arms export authorizations to the country’s autocratic government, even as that nation moved to crush pro-democracy protests.

I'm still not gonna stop supporting Hillary, because the alternative is unthinkable, but this seems really bad.

US has been selling significant levels of arms to Bahrain for years.  The Fifth Fleet is also positioned there, poised to strike against Iran if there is ever anything approaching a reason.  I don't like it much, but Bahrain, it's strategic naval position and its not inconsiderable financial sector are of key interest to the Americans.  The House of Khalifa will not be allowed to fall.

Also, while the State Department set the policy parameters for sales, the actual details are hammered out by the Pentagon, with input from the White House and then passed onto the House and Senate (with prior imput from their select committees on foreign affairs, intelligence and arms) before they're agreed.  As we can see from this, Congress did indeed kill the deal, in the end.

I think people are vastly overestimating the influence of the State Department in these proceedings.  Clinton made State less of a lame duck...but it's been the case since the Cold War that if you want shit done, you speak to the CIA Station Chief, the NSC and the local US Army commander, not the State Department.  State's for baby-kissing photo ops, lame cultural events and uninteresting trade deals.

And lets not forget that there was not insiginificant arm-twisting by the House of Saud in this whole scenario.  The Saudis sent a full on invasion force into Bahrain...American arms may have been intended to reduce Bahraini reliance on Saudi arms...or may have been asked by Saudi Arabia fearful of overseas commitments when trouble was brewing on their own borders.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #808 on: September 21, 2016, 01:40:21 am »
As far as I can tell, no proof of quid pro quo is there.  It's shady, but I have the feeling it's politics as normal.

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« Reply #809 on: September 21, 2016, 05:53:21 am »
I am noticing a similarity between die hard berners and spousal abusers.

"I will never vote for Clinton, but if you don't kiss my ass, I won't vote for Clinton."

I am brain-farting and unable to remember the term for this sort of statement.
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