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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2015, 04:33:01 pm »
He was anti-religion in general, going from his web posts.  It appears he was asking people what faith they were, and then shooting them.  Fox has spun this to make it sound like he was targeting Christians.

From what I heard about the incident itself, he asked two people what religion they were, and when they answered Christian he shot them both.

So it's hard to say, without more to go on.  Being antireligion in the USA would, in most circumstances, also mean being anti-Christian.

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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2015, 06:43:29 pm »
Does this mean that the whole "no one has ever killed in the name of Atheism!" argument that Dawkins fans like to use is sunk, or will it just change?

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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2015, 06:45:27 pm »
Does this mean that the whole "no one has ever killed in the name of Atheism!" argument that Dawkins fans like to use is sunk, or will it just change?

It was only a matter of time, once Atheism got a big enough umbrella.

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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2015, 08:02:58 pm »
Does this mean that the whole "no one has ever killed in the name of Atheism!" argument that Dawkins fans like to use is sunk, or will it just change?

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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2015, 09:01:25 pm »
Does this mean that the whole "no one has ever killed in the name of Atheism!" argument that Dawkins fans like to use is sunk, or will it just change?

The Soviet state would like a word with you.

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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2015, 09:05:00 pm »
Does this mean that the whole "no one has ever killed in the name of Atheism!" argument that Dawkins fans like to use is sunk, or will it just change?

The Soviet state would like a word with you.

Atheists often argue that the Soviet Union doesn't count because a) Communism is, like, a modern religion man or b) yes Communists are atheists but they justified their violence in terms of Communism and not atheism or c) Lysenkoism means the Communists weren't real atheists.

Needless to say, all these arguments are pretty bad.

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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2015, 09:54:50 pm »
Does this mean that the whole "no one has ever killed in the name of Atheism!" argument that Dawkins fans like to use is sunk, or will it just change?

The Soviet state would like a word with you.

Atheists often argue that the Soviet Union doesn't count because a) Communism is, like, a modern religion man or b) yes Communists are atheists but they justified their violence in terms of Communism and not atheism or c) Lysenkoism means the Communists weren't real atheists.

Needless to say, all these arguments are pretty bad.

China today still very actively imprisons and executes missionaries and underground church members. That's just Chrisians. They have suppressed pretty much ALL faith on pain of persecution and death.

I'm not sure that the shooter was in fact an Atheist specifically out to gun down folks for believing, but the matter clearly was on his malfunctioning mind. Some of the NRx shit I've been looking into has me wondering if perhaps the formula for radicalization of Muslims isn't being applied to other faiths quite purposefully. That's just flat out speculation right now, but my gut has me wondering.
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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2015, 10:01:31 pm »

Just like America uses the excuse to invade other countries as "Defending our Freedom.", Christians like to fantasize about being prosecuted on a massive scale just so they can get a rain-check on freely abusing any group they want.

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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2015, 12:04:42 am »

Just like America uses the excuse to invade other countries as "Defending our Freedom.", Christians like to fantasize about being prosecuted on a massive scale just so they can get a rain-check on freely abusing any group they want.

A free pass is more like it.

Anyway, their whining is my medicine.
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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2015, 12:05:33 am »
Does this mean that the whole "no one has ever killed in the name of Atheism!" argument that Dawkins fans like to use is sunk, or will it just change?

The Soviet state would like a word with you.
They weren't real communists
And they weren't real atheist.
Also they seemed to worship state more then the fedora or spaghetti monster.
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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2015, 12:07:56 am »
Wait, it's been a week and no one has posted the school camera footage online so we can see if he did ask or not?
Technology age my ass.
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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2015, 12:08:56 am »
The CTers decided to skip that step and just assume he didn't anyway.  "Evidence" is a government conspiracy designed to keep people from pulling secret knowledge out of their arseholes.

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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2015, 12:10:30 am »
Does this mean that the whole "no one has ever killed in the name of Atheism!" argument that Dawkins fans like to use is sunk, or will it just change?

The Soviet state would like a word with you.

Atheists often argue that the Soviet Union doesn't count because a) Communism is, like, a modern religion man or b) yes Communists are atheists but they justified their violence in terms of Communism and not atheism or c) Lysenkoism means the Communists weren't real atheists.

Needless to say, all these arguments are pretty bad.

Yeah, Atheists are pretty quick to pull the No True Scotsman fallacy out and prance it around.
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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2015, 12:12:31 am »
Does this mean that the whole "no one has ever killed in the name of Atheism!" argument that Dawkins fans like to use is sunk, or will it just change?

It was only a matter of time, once Atheism got a big enough umbrella.

If Atheists become the majority, I expect seeing active persecution of the religious. They suffer from  the same monkeydom that all the other monkeys suffer from.
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Re: This Oregon gunman seems to be a piece of work
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2015, 01:33:47 am »
Does this mean that the whole "no one has ever killed in the name of Atheism!" argument that Dawkins fans like to use is sunk, or will it just change?

It was only a matter of time, once Atheism got a big enough umbrella.

If Atheists become the majority, I expect seeing active persecution of the religious. They suffer from  the same monkeydom that all the other monkeys suffer from.

On one hand, I'm in favor of this, because Christians are funny when you smack 'em.

On the other hand, atheists are funny all the time.
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