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Beef Cell Techmology
« on: February 03, 2016, 09:11:07 am »
“The World's First Cultured Meatball”

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Great! Now let’s see them use their techmology to do it with bacon cells!

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Re: Beef Cell Techmology
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2016, 03:33:01 pm »
I'm curious about where this goes, but also deeply skeptical about the actual value of this particular application. I think the research is good because it can always be used for other applications yet undiscovered, but after much consideration, I doubt that vat-grown meat will ever succeed in addressing either environmental or food supply issues.
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Re: Beef Cell Techmology
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2016, 04:29:34 pm »
It's a nice indication of where medical applications should/could be at, which is far more interesting to me.

I'm pretty doubtful of this at these kind of scales. To be remotely viable you're talking about serious industry. That's the kind of shit that will attract more than a few protests.

Though the idea of giant meat vats does sound like the potential for more fun than anyone really wanted. Google a couple of industrial tank failures/explosions/collapses and you'll see what I mean.
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Re: Beef Cell Techmology
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2016, 04:38:13 am »
I’m not a life sciences guy. I don’t know anything about cell growth rates, but I suspect that is the primary factor in determining the cost effectiveness of this technology. That being said, I also suspect that if no-kill beef could be produced and sold for less than four (4) times the cost of conventional beef, there’s a niche market out there for it. (I found grass-fed beef tenderloin being advertised on the Internet for over $ 25 per pound, with an additional stiff charge for shipping.)   

I don’t see this technology putting beef cattle ranchers out of business, but I believe it does have huge marketing potential. For instance:

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At this point in time, I suspect the technology is no further along than ‘proof of concept’, or the small pilot plant stage. And, I don’t know what’s being used for feed stock. However, I can easily envision the overall production process being highly automated right through to final product packaging. So, low labor costs. I also suspect plant location is limited by nothing more than feed stock, water, and electric power availability. (A fossil fuel source for conventional steam boilers would be nice, but not an absolute necessity.)

I would have to know cell growth rates, feed stocks, and see a P&ID of a successful pilot plant to calculate full-scale plant costs, production costs, and ROI, but I seriously doubt that full-scale plant costs would be out of line for the food industry. (Many people would be surprised to see the level of technology and automation that goes into the production of a chocolate bar, or a jelly bean.)

I also don’t envision a full-scale plant utilizing this technology being any more dangerous than one that handles, for instance, bulk sugar, bulk flour, or bulk corn starch. (Possible feed stocks.) That is, I highly doubt any hazardous chemicals are being utilized in the production process, or any outrageously dangerous process equipment, or storage facilities are required.

The fine dust from bulk sugar, bulk flour, and bulk corn starch, are explosion hazards. But, there are quite specific NFPA codes that, if followed, allow them to be safely stored and transported within a processing plant. What’s required are explosion vents on some storage silos, explosion suppression equipment on dust collectors, magnets to keep ferrous metal scrap out of pneumatic conveying systems, explosion-proof electric motors, sealed electrical conduits, etc.

Yeah, I know it sounds really bad. But, those big commercial bakeries that are cranking out tons and tons of bread every day should be equipped with that stuff, if their insurance providers are looking out for their own best interests. Anyway, if the processing plants that handle those commodities are designed correctly and maintained properly, it’s not all that big a deal.

By the way, the biggest hazard, by far, in the food industry is plain old poor cleaning and sanitation practices.


Last, with ‘costs to orbit’ still being in the $ 10,000 per pound range, any hope for economical, manned space stations, high-end tourist space hotels, lunar facilities, and long-term planetary missions will need this technology, or something very much like it. (They’ll also need some high-tech waste recycling equipment, but that’s another topic.)

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Re: Beef Cell Techmology
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2016, 12:31:30 pm »

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Re: Beef Cell Techmology
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2016, 03:08:05 pm »

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Sea Shepherd Conservation Society Approved No-kill Baleen Whale Tail Meat™

No-kill New England Lobster Tail™


You missed Longpig from that list :evil:

Yet another niche market! I wonder how much ‘people’ would be willing to pay for that product?

Anyway, thanks for the idea! What else ya got?

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Re: Beef Cell Techmology
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2016, 05:11:32 pm »
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By the way, the biggest hazard, by far, in the food industry is plain old poor cleaning and sanitation practices.

Oh, this. So much this. That's a fucking hilarious news item just waiting to happen.

Going to the other end of the scale, a personal meat jar also looks like an option. Not a good one, but plausible enough. Grow your own crops, brew your own beer, clone your own meat....  Again, so much potential poisonous amusement for all.

Taking bets on the date of the first "cannibal rights" movement. Also inevitable and filled with horrormirth.

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Re: Beef Cell Techmology
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2016, 05:12:31 pm »

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Sea Shepherd Conservation Society Approved No-kill Baleen Whale Tail Meat™

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Re: Beef Cell Techmology
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2016, 09:11:49 pm »
I like it, though I have some reservations about the time/energy it would take to assemble all those amino-acids, carbs and various nutrients into actual muscle tissue.  The way in which meat was referred to as "cells" and the preparation by compression into "balls" made me think not...  yet.
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Re: Beef Cell Techmology
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2016, 04:29:44 am »
I like it, though I have some reservations about the time/energy it would take to assemble all those amino-acids, carbs and various nutrients into actual muscle tissue.  The way in which meat was referred to as "cells" and the preparation by compression into "balls" made me think not...  yet.

Yeah, those were kind of my thoughts. Particularly the resources needed to make the "meat".
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2016, 06:10:12 am »
I like it, though I have some reservations about the time/energy it would take to assemble all those amino-acids, carbs and various nutrients into actual muscle tissue.  The way in which meat was referred to as "cells" and the preparation by compression into "balls" made me think not...  yet.

Yeah, those were kind of my thoughts. Particularly the resources needed to make the "meat".

The worst thing, that just occurred to me, is the meat(?) would not be imbued with essential life-force and as such is totally useless for all purposes related to sacrifice and/or consumption.  This mockery of the gods is how the world ends; every time, every single time.
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Re: Beef Cell Techmology
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2016, 06:51:15 am »
It's about bloody time.

I like it, though I have some reservations about the time/energy it would take to assemble all those amino-acids, carbs and various nutrients into actual muscle tissue.  The way in which meat was referred to as "cells" and the preparation by compression into "balls" made me think not...  yet.

Yeah, those were kind of my thoughts. Particularly the resources needed to make the "meat".

The worst thing, that just occurred to me, is the meat(?) would not be imbued with essential life-force and as such is totally useless for all purposes related to sacrifice and/or consumption.  This mockery of the gods is how the world ends; every time, every single time.

Plus it's not dark and metal and brutal either.
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