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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #795 on: July 01, 2017, 10:40:09 pm »
That may be the cheaper option in the long run.

However, there probably isn't any money for that.  Too busy buying votes from the DUP, there's nothing left in the pot.

That is going to backfire badly in the long run.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #796 on: July 01, 2017, 11:13:29 pm »
Short-termism is going to kill us all, one fine day.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #797 on: July 02, 2017, 02:57:33 am »
Short-termism is going to kill us all, one fine day.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #798 on: July 02, 2017, 07:45:50 am »
It's the inherent flaw of democracy. Doesn't matter if you vote right or left, the government only works on a 5 year time frame.

No point putting in place long-term reform or programs if you cold be voted out in 5 years. They just focus on lining their own pockets until the people figure it out and vote in the other side in the mistaken belief the will be somehow different.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #799 on: July 02, 2017, 09:16:37 am »
Gove is planning on pulling the UK out of the common fisheries act to "take back UK waters for UK fishermen". This same insane promise was pushed by UKIP so I really didn't think anyone would take it seriously, the bottom line is that act allowed the UK access to an area streching up towards Iceland, down to Spain and up past Norway and vice versa, European countries in UK water.

While technically it means that the UK will have exclusive fishing rights to it's own area, where previously a lot was given away to other countries, it's greatly reduced area means all UK fishing vessles will be competing in a very small area.

But it also doesn't take into account that certain kinds of fish are seasonal and regional, if there is a really good salmon batch down by spain or west of Ireland it just wont have access, and never mind if you wanted to pick up something exotic like swordfish or octopus.

The bottom line is, keeping the existing rules protected UK fishermens livelyhoods, and kept fish costs low... Lets hope the Brexit negotiations succeed on import/export duties because if it defaults to WTO taxation of 21% in/out a lot of people are going to lose their jobs.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #800 on: July 02, 2017, 11:59:11 am »
Gove is planning on pulling the UK out of the common fisheries act to "take back UK waters for UK fishermen". This same insane promise was pushed by UKIP so I really didn't think anyone would take it seriously, the bottom line is that act allowed the UK access to an area streching up towards Iceland, down to Spain and up past Norway and vice versa, European countries in UK water.

While technically it means that the UK will have exclusive fishing rights to it's own area, where previously a lot was given away to other countries, it's greatly reduced area means all UK fishing vessles will be competing in a very small area.

But it also doesn't take into account that certain kinds of fish are seasonal and regional, if there is a really good salmon batch down by spain or west of Ireland it just wont have access, and never mind if you wanted to pick up something exotic like swordfish or octopus.

The bottom line is, keeping the existing rules protected UK fishermens livelyhoods, and kept fish costs low... Lets hope the Brexit negotiations succeed on import/export duties because if it defaults to WTO taxation of 21% in/out a lot of people are going to lose their jobs.

It seems to be a given that no matter what the looneytunes in power do an awful lot of people are going to lose their jobs and a whole lot more people are going to have a degraded standard of living. In self defence I have decided that the best approach to this is to stop giving a flying fuck and to pimp out my handcart because we surely seem to be headed to hell on the fast track.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #801 on: July 02, 2017, 02:25:21 pm »
It might not have such far reaching consequences but it seems so frustratingly unnecessary, especially with everything else going on. It's like Gove wanted to do something big and showy because he was on the out in the party, so in relation to Brexit he does something that would appear decisive, to endear himself with big boys table.

In reality it's is like going to a party where everyone has brought a massive amount of booze of all different varieties, then feeling precious about the bottle of wine he brought so instead decides to go home and drink it for himself.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #802 on: July 02, 2017, 10:36:32 pm »
It's the inherent flaw of democracy. Doesn't matter if you vote right or left, the government only works on a 5 year time frame.

No point putting in place long-term reform or programs if you cold be voted out in 5 years. They just focus on lining their own pockets until the people figure it out and vote in the other side in the mistaken belief the will be somehow different.

True, but at this point even a 5 year time frame would be nice.

It might not have such far reaching consequences but it seems so frustratingly unnecessary, especially with everything else going on. It's like Gove wanted to do something big and showy because he was on the out in the party, so in relation to Brexit he does something that would appear decisive, to endear himself with big boys table.

In reality it's is like going to a party where everyone has brought a massive amount of booze of all different varieties, then feeling precious about the bottle of wine he brought so instead decides to go home and drink it for himself.

Gove is just doing for the environment what he did for education.

I will say I was surprised to see Gove jumping on the bandwagon to raise pay for civil servants and public sector workers.  I suppose it's possible the man isn't a complete shit, all day every day.  But it does seem like yet another case of him seeing a bared back, sticking the knife in and twisting it a bit.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #803 on: July 10, 2017, 12:21:01 pm »
May now asking for policy ideas from other parties, rather than just stealing them. "In light of the political realities", which translated means "I can't rely on my own party or even the dup despite the bribe."

"Resign immediately" is probably going to be the main suggestion. And this is surely another death note for this government whichever way you cut it.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #804 on: July 10, 2017, 02:38:45 pm »
May isnt going to resign. Clearly you've been drinking too much warm prosecco.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #805 on: July 10, 2017, 04:24:45 pm »
We can dream.

I can't imagine what would have to happen for May to actually resign though. She seems pretty intent on staying.

Having said that she was pretty intent on not having a snap election.

If she doesn't resign doesn't this action give the opposition parties a lot of power though? Start implementing some of their policies or at least ameliorating some of the Tories'  That seems like a good thing.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #806 on: July 10, 2017, 06:31:10 pm »
You might have missed yesterday's news.  According to Justice Secretary David Lidington all talk of May resigning is the result of warm prosecco, nothing more.

It's certainly not due to plotting by David Davis.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #807 on: July 12, 2017, 01:00:56 pm »
Today is the bonfire and marching day up the north, it's a day that tends to have violence, and high tensions around it.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #808 on: July 12, 2017, 08:08:22 pm »
Shocked so very shocked.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #809 on: July 15, 2017, 12:08:29 pm »
Blair still alive and making shit worse.

Starting to worry that next government may be Blair 2: deceitful boogaloo.
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