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Re: Utah can't into filters on porn searches
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2016, 11:57:42 pm »
Porn is the commodification of human beings, but so is wage labor.  Porn is different in that it is he commodification of the sexual act.

Disagree.  Selling your labor is not the same as selling your person.

This is as true when your labor is sex as when it is any other sort of labor though.  Porn stars and other sex workers sell their labor, not their bodies.

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Re: Utah can't into filters on porn searches
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2016, 06:19:55 pm »
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And whether that makes it better or worse is wholly a matter of opinion and of cultural indoctrination.

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen:  The Privilege Award for 2016!  Give him a big hand, isn't he GREAT?

What the hell is that even supposed to mean? Speak English man!

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Re: Utah can't into filters on porn searches
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2016, 06:21:30 pm »
Porn is the commodification of human beings, but so is wage labor.  Porn is different in that it is he commodification of the sexual act.

Disagree.  Selling your labor is not the same as selling your person.

This is as true when your labor is sex as when it is any other sort of labor though.  Porn stars and other sex workers sell their labor, not their bodies.

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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2016, 06:21:50 pm »
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And whether that makes it better or worse is wholly a matter of opinion and of cultural indoctrination.

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen:  The Privilege Award for 2016!  Give him a big hand, isn't he GREAT?

What the hell is that even supposed to mean? Speak English man!

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Re: Utah can't into filters on porn searches
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2016, 06:28:03 pm »
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Re: Utah can't into filters on porn searches
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2016, 08:07:25 pm »
Porn is the commodification of human beings, but so is wage labor.  Porn is different in that it is he commodification of the sexual act.

Disagree.  Selling your labor is not the same as selling your person.

This is as true when your labor is sex as when it is any other sort of labor though.  Porn stars and other sex workers sell their labor, not their bodies.

I think what Roger means to say is: Does a factory floor supervisor, per job description, look at your body or emotional ability to compartmentalize to determine whether or not they should keep you? Or do they look at the production statistics that your work generates? Or the way in which you handle the machine you're supposed to work, or the process you're supposed to be a part of?

In the industry, a porn star's value is determined by the look of their body, and their ability to sell their emotional integrity, privacy, and sometimes, free will. A labor job only cares about what you can produce or dedicate to production. And they would have a lawsuit if they forced you to give up your emotional integrity and privacy.

Also, due to the desperate nature of the porn industry workers, manipulation and abuse runs rampant. That, alone, should be an indicator of moral questionability.

Borderline occupations that have similar issues as porn would be beauty pageants, and acting. However, acting tends to be more independent, and the person involved has much more control over what they do. An argument against these being similar could be understood.
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Re: Utah can't into filters on porn searches
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2016, 10:09:23 pm »
In the industry, a porn star's value is determined by the look of their body, and their ability to sell their emotional integrity, privacy, and sometimes, free will. A labor job only cares about what you can produce or dedicate to production. And they would have a lawsuit if they forced you to give up your emotional integrity and privacy.

Sales, marketing, politics, law, and any position you had to suck up to a boss or interviewer to get also involve compromising one's integrity

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I've also heard that good looking waitstaff tend to get bigger tips and good looking politicians tend to get elected more easily
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Re: Utah can't into filters on porn searches
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2016, 10:33:08 pm »
Porn is the commodification of human beings, but so is wage labor.  Porn is different in that it is he commodification of the sexual act.

Disagree.  Selling your labor is not the same as selling your person.

This is as true when your labor is sex as when it is any other sort of labor though.  Porn stars and other sex workers sell their labor, not their bodies.
Thank you for sharing these distinctions - food for thought here.
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Re: Utah can't into filters on porn searches
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2016, 11:17:30 pm »
In the industry, a porn star's value is determined by the look of their body, and their ability to sell their emotional integrity, privacy, and sometimes, free will. A labor job only cares about what you can produce or dedicate to production. And they would have a lawsuit if they forced you to give up your emotional integrity and privacy.

Sales, marketing, politics, law, and any position you had to suck up to a boss or interviewer to get also involve compromising one's integrity

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Yeah, having manners and a positive attitude in an interview is the same thing as taking a load of cum on your face that you stated, explicitly, that you didn't want, in front of a camera, for the world to see, especially if the video was free for a Porn Tube.  :roll:

And reading up on law to exploit and, therefore, expose loopholes is the same thing as having a dick shoved into you that is artificially enlarged, without any lube, because it looks "hotter" if it seems raw and forced. :kingmeh:

And, of course, creating the next Head-On™ commercial is totally the same thing as getting your dick injected or breasts enlarged because you weren't raking in enough money for your creepy-ass boss.  :eek:

Let's also point out that it was EMOTIONAL integrity that I mentioned, not moral integrity. Moral integrity is not given up by force, or by desperation. It is given up, freely. Those who don't defend their moral integrity deserve a porn star career. The desperate kind.

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And whether that makes it better or worse is wholly a matter of opinion and of cultural indoctrination.

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen:  The Privilege Award for 2016!  Give him a big hand, isn't he GREAT?

What the hell is that even supposed to mean? Speak English man!

Eat the peanuts outta my shit, PDS.

Basically, this.
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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2016, 11:36:24 pm »
Now hang on a second.  I agree with everything you said right up until "Moral integrity is not given up by force, or by desperation. It is given up, freely. Those who don't defend their moral integrity deserve a porn star career. The desperate kind."  With this, I respectfully disagree, and have two points to pose to you.

1.  Making any kind of defense for oneself in any way takes a lot of bravery, tons of emotional energy and fortitude, and at least one fallback plan for when things go bad while defending oneself.  Not everyone is brave, or strong, and people can easily be coerced into sacrificing their morals because they see no way around it.  That is what abuse does, which I understand is endemic to the porn industry in particular, an abuser leaves the abused feeling like there is no bolthole. 

Even not talking about porn, moral integrity is hard to maintain when you're on the verge of starving to death and so is one's kid and you'll buy food ANYWHERE so long as it's cheap, or if one is being constantly bombarded with ignorant, bigoted statements by the boss against a coworker but one doesn't speak out because they've only been there a week or so and you can't risk your job.  One may hate themselves, shopping at Wal-Mart or getting some quick, hot food from McDonalds, or staying quiet when one's integrity demands that one speak up, but at the bottom of the heap one cannot see a way around it, and so makes the sacrifice out of fear.

2.  No one deserves to be in that kind of desperate porn unless they actually want to be.
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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2016, 12:36:44 am »
Now hang on a second.  I agree with everything you said right up until "Moral integrity is not given up by force, or by desperation. It is given up, freely. Those who don't defend their moral integrity deserve a porn star career. The desperate kind."  With this, I respectfully disagree, and have two points to pose to you.

1.  Making any kind of defense for oneself in any way takes a lot of bravery, tons of emotional energy and fortitude, and at least one fallback plan for when things go bad while defending oneself.  Not everyone is brave, or strong, and people can easily be coerced into sacrificing their morals because they see no way around it.  That is what abuse does, which I understand is endemic to the porn industry in particular, an abuser leaves the abused feeling like there is no bolthole. 

Even not talking about porn, moral integrity is hard to maintain when you're on the verge of starving to death and so is one's kid and you'll buy food ANYWHERE so long as it's cheap, or if one is being constantly bombarded with ignorant, bigoted statements by the boss against a coworker but one doesn't speak out because they've only been there a week or so and you can't risk your job.  One may hate themselves, shopping at Wal-Mart or getting some quick, hot food from McDonalds, or staying quiet when one's integrity demands that one speak up, but at the bottom of the heap one cannot see a way around it, and so makes the sacrifice out of fear.

2.  No one deserves to be in that kind of desperate porn unless they actually want to be.

I'm not sure we disagree as much as you think. I think the confusion may be due to my lack of clarification, or a difference in definition of "Defense of moral integrity."

As someone who's experienced moderate abuse for long periods of time, and been born into working-class poverty, I know a thing or two about desperation, hunger, and moral folding.
Every single time I abandoned my morals, I did so with a full understanding of the implications. Abuse can be taken, and used, or it can be redirected. I have done both. And I will ALWAYS regret doing the latter. I did so, knowingly, and at the time, definitely deserved the desperate porn career. I would argue I deserved more. One could argue I still deserve it. For that very reason, I refuse to abandon my morals ever again. I've righted the wrongs with those I hurt, and I've moved on. But what I learned, was that things would have worked out better if I had done the right thing, initially. At NO POINT has doing the WRONG thing put me in a less desperate situation. I have witnessed other people make similarly terrible decisions, knowingly, and suffer the consequences. This fact holds consistently true in every situation I've been in or witnessed.

A racist boss can be subverted safely, assuming that you're implying that defense of moral integrity is an active process at all times. Choosing not to speak out against someone else's abuser is not a form of moral folding. It is possible to empathize with the abused, and build a social network for them that would pressure the abuser out, or at least give the abused the support to avoid discouragement. For every negative action, there is a stronger, opposing and positive possible reaction. Standing by the positive side can seem like more work sometimes, but after awhile of doing it, it stops requiring energy. If you can't help in one way, there is always another. I can't imagine meeting a person who would claim that doing a little was just as bad as doing nothing.
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Re: Utah can't into filters on porn searches
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2016, 12:42:29 am »
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And whether that makes it better or worse is wholly a matter of opinion and of cultural indoctrination.

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen:  The Privilege Award for 2016!  Give him a big hand, isn't he GREAT?

What the hell is that even supposed to mean? Speak English man!

Eat the peanuts outta my shit, PDS.

Basically, this.

Can you explain  what he meant? It honestly hust seems like gibberish to me. I thought I had kind of sussed it out before but it's become clear that my first interpretation was incorrect. And the continual refusals to provide an explanation seem to reinforce my new hypothesis that the award comment was just a gibberish insult rather than a well thought out retort tailored to the conversation; kind of like that stupid "jerk store" comeback from Seinfeld
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« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2016, 01:06:51 am »
So is the only ethical porn to shlick to would be?

 Amateur sensual porn between two consenting adults?

Drawn porn made by one deviant to make another happy that doesn't hurt or commodities anyone. That paints no one as the oppressed or opresser. Eh, idfk aren't people already a commodity?
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« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2016, 01:49:17 am »
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And whether that makes it better or worse is wholly a matter of opinion and of cultural indoctrination.

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen:  The Privilege Award for 2016!  Give him a big hand, isn't he GREAT?

What the hell is that even supposed to mean? Speak English man!

Eat the peanuts outta my shit, PDS.

Basically, this.

Can you explain  what he meant? It honestly hust seems like gibberish to me. I thought I had kind of sussed it out before but it's become clear that my first interpretation was incorrect. And the continual refusals to provide an explanation seem to reinforce my new hypothesis that the award comment was just a gibberish insult rather than a well thought out retort tailored to the conversation; kind of like that stupid "jerk store" comeback from Seinfeld

He was stating that you have been granted the magical ability to not understand the plight of others around you. It is called Privilege™. It means that you are incapable of understanding the depth of the words that exit your face. You lack the experiences to understand what "Commodification of humans" really means. Implying that the moral status of commodification of sexual acts and commodification of labor are equally dependent on "indoctrination" or "opinion" shows that you have yet to have meaningful sexual acts, and that you have yet to REALLY work a day in your life. If you had, you would understand the emotionally fragile implications of selling one's sexual acts, and also understand why selling your labor isn't even close to morally identical, regardless of your culture.

In short, he was mocking your blatant disconnectedness from the realities of the conversation. But it's ok. He's actually one of the most reasonable men I've ever met.
Regardless of what he will tell you, his view of you is not absolute, and may change over time as long as you start to talk like a biped.

I have no doubts about your intelligence. I'm sure, that with time, as long as you continue to be questioned by the people of this board, you will figure out why they pick on you. Why they picked on me. Why they pick on each other. It is not because they hate you. It is because they respect you more than anyone else ever has. They will confront you on your bullshit, where someone who doesn't care would let you wander blindly. If you feel like you're getting an undue amount of shit, think about the things you're saying. These people are undoubtedly the best people to have a disagreement with. In terms of personal growth, that is.

So is the only ethical porn to shlick to would be?

 Amateur sensual porn between two consenting adults?

Drawn porn made by one deviant to make another happy that doesn't hurt or commodities anyone. That paints no one as the oppressed or opresser. Eh, idfk aren't people already a commodity?

I say, if you wanna watch someone else have sex while you spank it, watch them in person. And if you're doing that, you might as well participate.
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« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2016, 05:01:27 am »

I'm not sure we disagree as much as you think. I think the confusion may be due to my lack of clarification, or a difference in definition of "Defense of moral integrity."

This should probably be addressed in explicit terms, because while I see where you're coming from with the rest of your post, I don't see how it's okay to judge them for what may be different abilities and coping skills and thought processes.
If someone does the “Fine, you’re right, I’m clearly a terrible person, I’m Satan, I’m the worst person alive, I should just die” thing in response to criticism of their harmful behavior, they are trying to manipulate people and flip the situation around so that they look like a victim.

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