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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2016, 04:36:24 pm »
This is awful, the world just seems to be getting shittier and shittier over the last few years. I feel horrible for the families and friends of the victims.

Don't believe the hype, mate, it'll only get you down. There was a ton of cool shit happened over the weekend but none of that ever reaches the front page. Sure, 50 people dying is a shame. Doubly so cos the reason they died was one guy being a total dick but people die every day, it's the downside of being made out of slowly decaying meat.

The important thing is to not get all bent out of shape cos some people died. The important thing is to keep a cool head and a bit of perspective and not go waving a fistful of liberties in the air, demanding that something is done to stop this ever happening again.

Cos it will happen again (there will always be dicks) The guys who are offering to make it go away in exchange for those shiny liberties? They're the biggest dicks of all and they never offer refunds even when they fail to deliver.

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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2016, 04:54:06 pm »
Hey Cain,

When you get the chance let us know what you think about the IS link. Most news sources are just a shitshow at the moment with reaction comments so I've got no idea if it has any validity.

Could be plausible, could be bull.  Until they raid his apartment and get access to his computers, I'm witholding judgement.

The claim of responsibility came, what, 6 hours after the attack?  That's an awfully long time to wait.  ISIS is also loosing all its actual military battles, so the perception of a win would be most welcome for them.

On the other hand, claiming terrorist attacks that are not yours will undermine your credibility in the long run.  And if he's just some incidental loser who watched a few jihadi videos on Youtube...well for me, that's not strong enough to be considered a link.

Peter King, chair of the House...Intelligence Committee (I think), claims the gunman had training.  Implication being there was intelligence of him attending an ISIS training camp.  On the other hand, King has a hard-on for persecuting Muslims for terrorism, which is somewhat hypocritical when you consider his own history of support of the IRA.

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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2016, 05:11:04 pm »
Obama has said there's no direct evidence linking the gunman to Islamic State.

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Re: Orlando shooting thread
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2016, 06:09:48 pm »
Obama has said there's no direct evidence linking the gunman to Islamic State.

Form what I heard it seems like it's complicated. I heard that he had said he was doing it in the name of ISIS but he wasn't actually working for ISIS; that he was just some random lunatic who had been influenced by their propaganda.
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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2016, 06:49:19 pm »
Obama has said there's no direct evidence linking the gunman to Islamic State.

Form what I heard it seems like it's complicated. I heard that he had said he was doing it in the name of ISIS but he wasn't actually working for ISIS; that he was just some random lunatic who had been influenced by their propaganda.

Seems like an easy way to be even edgier.

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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2016, 08:25:50 pm »
This is awful, the world just seems to be getting shittier and shittier over the last few years. I feel horrible for the families and friends of the victims.

Don't believe the hype, mate, it'll only get you down. There was a ton of cool shit happened over the weekend but none of that ever reaches the front page. Sure, 50 people dying is a shame. Doubly so cos the reason they died was one guy being a total dick but people die every day, it's the downside of being made out of slowly decaying meat.

The important thing is to not get all bent out of shape cos some people died. The important thing is to keep a cool head and a bit of perspective and not go waving a fistful of liberties in the air, demanding that something is done to stop this ever happening again.

Cos it will happen again (there will always be dicks) The guys who are offering to make it go away in exchange for those shiny liberties? They're the biggest dicks of all and they never offer refunds even when they fail to deliver.

There is a lot of cool shit going on this weekend, the first ever treatment of MS going into controlled remission, antibiotic resistant TB treated with non AB drugs, renewable energy over the last month has pushed grid operatorís carbon emissions behind combined domestic use for like the first time since the industrial era.

I wasn't suggesting something need be done about this. I've already seen people on Facebook clamouring upon the gun legislation, on arguing over whatever banality Trump came out with, but now isn't the time.
It wasn't what I was getting at with my last post, I'd rather find out the names of the victims, instead of turning this into #TrendingIssue and I know I've made the case in the past that I don't see any reasonable need for gun ownership, I still don't. But legislation wouldn't have saved these people, the genie is out of the bottle and he would have gotten his hands on a weapon regardless.

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Re: Orlando shooting thread
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2016, 01:37:34 am »
Obama has said there's no direct evidence linking the gunman to Islamic State.

Form what I heard it seems like it's complicated. I heard that he had said he was doing it in the name of ISIS but he wasn't actually working for ISIS; that he was just some random lunatic who had been influenced by their propaganda.

That doesn't sound all that complicated.

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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2016, 01:40:44 am »
He may not have even been influenced by their propaganda.  Going by the character assessments of him by people who knew him currently in the media, he was always short-tempered, violent and a raging homophobe.  He apparently wasn't religious at all, and aside from that, his work positions may have meant he was under scrutiny for that sort of content anyway (he was a licenced security guard, I believe?)

The whole ISIS thing may have been little more than a final "fuck you", or way to try and increase the impact of his attack further, to have more noteriety in death.

If that is the case, the prolific spreaders of Islamophobic content on social media for the past couple of days should feel even more ashamed of themselves than they normally should.
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2016, 02:38:21 am »
The part that made me cry was the recollection of the police man, on the scene afterwards, of all of the cell phones ringing as the loved ones of the victims tried to call to make sure they were ok.

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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2016, 02:46:09 am »
He may not have even been influenced by their propaganda.  Going by the character assessments of him by people who knew him currently in the media, he was always short-tempered, violent and a raging homophobe.  He apparently wasn't religious at all, and aside from that, his work positions may have meant he was under scrutiny for that sort of content anyway (he was a licenced security guard, I believe?)

The whole ISIS thing may have been little more than a final "fuck you", or way to try and increase the impact of his attack further, to have more noteriety in death.

If that is the case, the prolific spreaders of Islamophobic content on social media for the past couple of days should feel even more ashamed of themselves than they normally should.

I remember rolling through a link provided by a discordian on FB that was the original thread on this "4chan" that the fucker in Oregon announced his intent in. Motherfuckers were bizarrely jubilant at even jumping in on an "epic fread" long after the fact. It felt like I was seeing a weaponized version of the basic shitty human tendency to treat folks worse over the phone than face to face when feeling hostile, one born of a sense of total anonymity and a long-spoiled morality.

There's no need for a real connection to a given terrorist organization as long as the lingering toxic effects of these ideologies continue to get soaked up by folks already falling down for other base, likely unconscious, reasons. But the faking it is empowering in a very dangerous way all on it's own, a secondary infection of sorts that mimics the symptoms of the more dangerous pathogen.

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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2016, 11:53:24 am »
So,I haven't read too much because brainweasels, but it looks like the shooter may have been a regular? And his dad is super homophobic in super public ways. What are the odds on this being a twisted self-hatey thing?
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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2016, 12:58:22 pm »
So,I haven't read too much because brainweasels, but it looks like the shooter may have been a regular? And his dad is super homophobic in super public ways. What are the odds on this being a twisted self-hatey thing?

It's a possibility that's currently being aired.  I believe there were also gay dating apps on his phone.

On the other hand, if I hated homosexuals sufficiently enough to shoot up a nightclub, I would also be carrying out reconaissance and dry runs.  Such things would include going to said nightclub more than a few times (and smuggling in the weapon with me), and likely involve online research to select the best target for my attack.

It's also worth mentioning he was an armed security guard for G4S.  Now G4S are pretty much a joke as far as I am concerned, regarding corporate security, but I do think it means we should consider the possibility that his pre-attack phase may have been a little more sophisticated than normal.  Especially as he was on the FBI's radar - he had been questioned twice regarding links to ISIS, or ISIS members, even though those links could not be made (again, suggesting his closing statements may have been some form of "fuck you" to the FBI).

I have to admit, I also have a level of discomfort with how quickly the media has latched onto the possibility he was a self-loathing gay man.  Just as they previously latched onto the idea that he was an ISIS operative.  I think it's rather telling that the media have been so eager to Other Omar Mateen, first attempting to play off one form of minority rights against another (LGBT+ Unity...so long as they use the right bathrooms) and now with the unsettling implication that this is somehow the gay community's problem.  I know you're not saying that, QG, I really wouldn't believe anyone here would.  But it is an undercurrent to the idea that Mateen is a self-loathing homosexual that the media is right now suggesting, and people will pick up on that subtext.

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« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2016, 02:10:51 pm »
Hey BTW was hoping to read your big final article for school on the right and Brevik specifically IIRC.

May I have a link to a PDF version if possible please?

I'll send you a PM sometime later today (final draft is on my external drive atm)

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« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2016, 05:01:48 pm »
Hey BTW was hoping to read your big final article for school on the right and Brevik specifically IIRC.

May I have a link to a PDF version if possible please?

I'll send you a PM sometime later today (final draft is on my external drive atm)

Thanks for the above, can I second this request?
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« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2016, 07:17:14 pm »
Hey BTW was hoping to read your big final article for school on the right and Brevik specifically IIRC.

May I have a link to a PDF version if possible please?

I'll send you a PM sometime later today (final draft is on my external drive atm)

Thanks!
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