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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2016, 11:02:32 pm »
While Fukushima isn't nearly the threat to humanity you represent it as, you also make some really damn fine points, here. Our desire to forge ahead far outstrips our capacity for planning ahead. This may well end us in fairly short time, right here in the toddler stage of human evolution.

yeah.

But even if I am exaggerating the scope of the disaster Fukushima there simply is no way to exaggerate the dangers of modern man playing with nuclear power.

There was a running debate before they tested the first devices about whether or not a nuclear detonation would ignite all of the atmospheric oxygen globally. So natcherally they tried it to find out.

Hold on... is your source Reddit? Oxygen is an accelerant, it doesn't "ignite".

Did Manhattan Project scientists really fear that an atomic explosion would ignite the oxygen in the atmosphere and destroy the world?

https://www.quora.com/Did-Manhattan-Project-scientists-really-fear-that-an-atomic-explosion-would-ignite-the-oxygen-in-the-atmosphere-and-destroy-the-world

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It came from just one scientist, Edward Teller, who put forth the idea. Oppenheimer looked into it and it was soon realized this was a groundless fear given the size of the bombs under consideration.

It's nice that  you actually bothered to look it up and can admit that your claims were goofy as fuck.

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-scientists-risked-destroying-the-earth-during-nuclear-tests-and-cern.t692/

goofy as fuck as in true and verified with your own link.

Teller's concerns were not completely invalidated until they tested the first bomb in NM. Prior to that there was a vigorous running debate regarding the risks associated with detonating the bomb in an oxygen rich atmosphere.

So you aren't good at critical thinking OR reading comprehension. What else aren't you good at?
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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2016, 11:11:07 pm »

There was a running debate before they tested the first devices about whether or not a nuclear detonation would ignite all of the atmospheric oxygen globally. So natcherally they tried it to find out.

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Upon hearing the prospect of an uncontrolled atmospheric reaction, Oppenheimer set Hans Bethe to look into the matter. Bethe, using early IBM digital computers to achieve his results, calculated that a fission reaction could not induce a thermonuclear reaction in the open atmosphere. Research resumed and the first A-Bomb was constructed.

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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2016, 11:16:43 pm »
What is the difference between nitrogen and oxygen? If only science could tell us!
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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2016, 01:07:21 am »
What is "oxygen-rich"?  I'm seriously asking, not trying to pull anyone's tail.  The wording suggests at least 50% oxygen, yeah?  But before I wrote this post, I thought it was ~30%, and I looked it up just now and it's really 20ish.
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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2016, 01:16:03 am »
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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2016, 01:17:55 am »
What is "oxygen-rich"?  I'm seriously asking, not trying to pull anyone's tail.  The wording suggests at least 50% oxygen, yeah?  But before I wrote this post, I thought it was ~30%, and I looked it up just now and it's really 20ish.

"Oxygen-rich" is very subjective, but compared to other planets, our atmosphere is oxygen-rich.
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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2016, 01:18:38 am »
Nigel, it's good to have you back.

Roger's right. It's fun watching you Nigel other people.  :lulz:

Thanks! :)
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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2016, 01:24:00 pm »
This thread:

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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2016, 03:24:02 pm »

We had no plan, none, whatsoever!


This is how humans roll.  It was designed to be a disaster.  The back up generators - which could ONLY be necessary in a flood - were on the ground instead of on the roof, and were thus knocked out by the water.  That one little fucking detail, which would have been absolutely obvious to a maintenance tech, was completely overlooked by the engineers.

Leaving aside the entire idea of nuclear power, leaving aside the Japanese cultural idea (and they are not alone in this) that you don't question technical authority, what this comes down to is people who are trained to design by the book vs people who are trained to handle or repair things when the chips are down, and their absolute inability and unwillingness to communicate.

I could write a book on this.  And it's worth mentioning that the fault is not entirely with the engineers.  Not by a long shot.

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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2016, 08:54:28 pm »
Huh. OP seems to feel concerned about one instance in over 200,000 successful tests. Most under water.

Here's a secret newb. Despite what is spilling into water and food table the situation @ Chernobyl is still worse long term. The ability of a runaway core to destabilize the subatomic nature of even lead (thermium IIRC) is somewhat mitigated by a crystallization process in water.

One day, millennia from now thecore@Chernobyl (meaning wild wormwood :fnord:) will breach the containment and hit the water table. Before that it will essentially destabilize all matter around it permanently. After... well at least by then our children's childrens' children's children's bastard mutants will all be dead.

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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2016, 11:14:09 pm »
Huh. OP seems to feel concerned about one instance in over 200,000 successful tests. Most under water.

Here's a secret newb. Despite what is spilling into water and food table the situation @ Chernobyl is still worse long term. The ability of a runaway core to destabilize the subatomic nature of even lead (thermium IIRC) is somewhat mitigated by a crystallization process in water.

One day, millennia from now thecore@Chernobyl (meaning wild wormwood :fnord:) will breach the containment and hit the water table. Before that it will essentially destabilize all matter around it permanently. After... well at least by then our children's childrens' children's children's bastard mutants will all be dead.

HI NIGEL!! GLAD TO SEE YOU BROUGHT THE DICKS!!!

What else would an illiterate, ignorant inbred bring to a battle of wits?
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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2016, 06:17:55 am »
What is "oxygen-rich"?  I'm seriously asking, not trying to pull anyone's tail.  The wording suggests at least 50% oxygen, yeah?  But before I wrote this post, I thought it was ~30%, and I looked it up just now and it's really 20ish.

"Oxygen-rich" is very subjective, but compared to other planets, our atmosphere is oxygen-rich.

Very true, all of that.
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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2016, 05:53:54 am »
Huh. OP seems to feel concerned about one instance in over 200,000 successful tests. Most under water.

Here's a secret newb. Despite what is spilling into water and food table the situation @ Chernobyl is still worse long term. The ability of a runaway core to destabilize the subatomic nature of even lead (thermium IIRC) is somewhat mitigated by a crystallization process in water.

One day, millennia from now thecore@Chernobyl (meaning wild wormwood :fnord:) will breach the containment and hit the water table. Before that it will essentially destabilize all matter around it permanently. After... well at least by then our children's childrens' children's children's bastard mutants will all be dead.

HI NIGEL!! GLAD TO SEE YOU BROUGHT THE DICKS!!!

What else would an illiterate, ignorant inbred bring to a battle of wits?

Trick questions?
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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2016, 06:02:47 am »
The severity of the Fukushima thing is partly an illusion. While borked nuclear plants like fukushima and chernobyl briskly and severely destroy the environment they do it in a relatively contained area and mostly jist when they break, whereas conventional power plants slowly, imperceptably like the proverbial boiled frog, but steadily poison the entire world.
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Re: Fukushima: witness Modern Man at his finest
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2016, 03:00:21 pm »
Huh. OP seems to feel concerned about one instance in over 200,000 successful tests. Most under water.

Here's a secret newb. Despite what is spilling into water and food table the situation @ Chernobyl is still worse long term. The ability of a runaway core to destabilize the subatomic nature of even lead (thermium IIRC) is somewhat mitigated by a crystallization process in water.

One day, millennia from now thecore@Chernobyl (meaning wild wormwood :fnord:) will breach the containment and hit the water table. Before that it will essentially destabilize all matter around it permanently. After... well at least by then our children's childrens' children's children's bastard mutants will all be dead.

HI NIGEL!! GLAD TO SEE YOU BROUGHT THE DICKS!!!

What else would an illiterate, ignorant inbred bring to a battle of wits?

Trick questions?

That was only half a joke. Really don't know what you mean Nigel.  :?
You can't get out backward.  You have to go forward to go back.. better press on! - Willie Wonka, PBUH

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