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Baton Rouge police shootings
« on: July 17, 2016, 08:31:49 pm »
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Three police officers have been killed and three injured in a shooting in the southern US city of Baton Rouge.
One suspect is dead and two others may still be at large. Witnesses reported a man firing indiscriminately.

and they just interviewed Rep Valarie Hodges of the Louisiana House of Representatives [white R].
Her take? They must have been from out of state because we all love our police. Also - that racism is the latest excuse for anarchy!

wake me up when they start shooting politicians would you?
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Re: Baton Rouge police shootings
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2016, 03:39:30 am »
Apparently the shooter was an ex-Marine, honorable discharge at the rank of sergeant. Turned into some internet CT weirdo and then this.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2016, 05:07:12 am »
Sovereign citizen type, I heard.  Moorish Science Temple influenced stuff.

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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2016, 03:19:21 pm »
Not been following this, I assume from the "was" and other past tense use the guy will not be standing at any kind of trial due to a chronic case of death?
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Re: Baton Rouge police shootings
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2016, 04:34:28 pm »
Cop killer and black man?

It's only a miracle they didn't blow him up.

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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2016, 08:29:52 pm »
Cop killer and black man?

It's only a miracle they didn't blow him up.

You know... it's the use of ordinance, however delivered, that has me most concerned out of the bits of the recent havoc I've been able to follow.

Cops using bombs on citizens is... not my kind of government. I don't care how dangerous they think one is. It's a means of slaughter with very little accountability. I refused to participate in the building or delivery of such to so many in our long and brutal foreign wars of "interest". I couldn't stop the beast, but I sure as fuck didn't have to participate in feeding it.

Now it's all coming back home. Watch the "first world" get a taste of the kind of protection that they were sold for their freedom. Think there isn't a point where anyone and anything could wind up on an "acceptable losses" roster?

Fuck they probably won't be bothering with keeping the lists after. Not once things get hectic.
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Re: Baton Rouge police shootings
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2016, 08:38:45 pm »
It's more the willing escalation to possible collateral damage. We're used to stupid overreactions with guns as law enforcement has been shooting the shit out of things for years. Guns can fuck things up but c4 can do a fuck of a lot more than any bullet. Just wait for the first time this ruptures a gas main or something and you're looking at a shitload of innocent dead people and the event will get justified as a reasonable given the danger the officers were facing.

Moderate odds on this event killing police officals.
Good odds on protestors or local activists by happy coincidence for some.
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2016, 10:28:34 pm »
It's more the willing escalation to possible collateral damage. We're used to stupid overreactions with guns as law enforcement has been shooting the shit out of things for years. Guns can fuck things up but c4 can do a fuck of a lot more than any bullet. Just wait for the first time this ruptures a gas main or something and you're looking at a shitload of innocent dead people and the event will get justified as a reasonable given the danger the officers were facing.

Moderate odds on this event killing police officals.
Good odds on protestors or local activists by happy coincidence for some.

It's the extra room for that "accidental" that worries me most both in terms of crooked or desperate cops and the eventual strategic anticipation of the response by our new "sophisticated" criminal-terrorist class. Like what happens if some, oh, toxic suspension or a nice radio-compound gets aerosolized or the holdout was already rigged to blow? It's a VERY bad strategic choice in addition to the humanity issues. I don't blame them against a trained sniper, but I suspect that this is a very bad habit about to form.
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2016, 11:12:05 pm »
I'd say (and Roger may be in a better position to comment) any size of explosion in an industrial area has the potential for serious numbers of casualties. gas/oil/chemical plants have safeguards built into the process line but these are generally designed to deal with process issues only. Not many guards against explosives unless dealing with defense sites.

Terrorist attempts within the past 18 months at oxygen plants (ap France) indicate that this is at least in realms of consideration. Can see us forces being very gung ho in just the wrong place with a bang that's a little too big and you'll have your very own Bhopal.

Other side of events like this and others in past week (nice ) increasingly demonstrate what 1 person/small group can do with relatively little planning or resources. Nice attack has raised questions about protecting public space from similar attack. A few more incident like this and you have justification to start deploying counter snipers as standard procedure.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2016, 03:46:14 am »
Yeah.  :sad:
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2016, 08:48:46 pm »
I'd say (and Roger may be in a better position to comment) any size of explosion in an industrial area has the potential for serious numbers of casualties. gas/oil/chemical plants have safeguards built into the process line but these are generally designed to deal with process issues only. Not many guards against explosives unless dealing with defense sites.


There is beyond a few fat security guards and a traffic barrier at most facilities.  Which is to say, nothing.
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2016, 05:05:48 pm »
I'd say (and Roger may be in a better position to comment) any size of explosion in an industrial area has the potential for serious numbers of casualties. gas/oil/chemical plants have safeguards built into the process line but these are generally designed to deal with process issues only. Not many guards against explosives unless dealing with defense sites.


There is beyond a few fat security guards and a traffic barrier at most facilities.  Which is to say, nothing.

In a certain context having the live guards on site could be considered a potential resource by the most ruthless sort, should totally avoiding or outright icing them be inconvenient. Easy source of fast and dirty intel or KEYS and also potential "hostages".

I'm not going to elaborate because this is a public forum, but my experience is that  overall industrial security be low in all sorts of very horribly exploitable ways.
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2016, 05:21:45 pm »
When you see how industrial plants generally treat H+S/Fire regs and other simple shit, it should raise a degree of concern.

There's at least a couple of places in England where the "Emergency showers" are just for show and have been fucked for over 3/5 years. When you can't deal with water out of a showerhead I have little hope that they'll find a solid defence against a determined terrorist, let alone a group.

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