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Pagan or Racist?
« on: August 22, 2016, 08:38:51 pm »
So, the first temple to Odin since Christianity rolled in was consecrated in Denmark.
http://spangenhelm.com/valheim-hof-denmark-dedicated-odin-gods/

I have a couple of pagan friends who are really excited and want to go.  However, they're most likely completely oblivious to the whole White Power/Odinism connection.  I can't find out much else about the temple, so I don't want to bum them out just yet; however, if it is a WP front, I feel I should really let them know.

Anyone hear anything about this?

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Re: Pagan or Racist?
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2016, 09:36:21 pm »
As far as I know, it's NOT a WP front, those groups seem to come mostly out of Germany rather than the actual Scandinavian countries. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be cautious though.

With that said, there is quite a large Asatru revival happening right now, along with an equally big Hellenismos revival in Greece. The Greek Nationalists have actually turned toward Orthodox Christianity rather than paganism, so at least for now, from what I've been able to pick up, they aren't into those pagan circles as much. The joke is really on the WP Odinists though, because last I checked, there was a whole myth involving Odin having dark skinned children (I need to check this). All the more reason why I believe fucking Nazis are illiterate shitbags.

Another issue is the WP turn toward Romanitas, which is pissing me the fuck off for reasons. The New Thing is that because the Romans were white (lolno) and conquered and enslaved, that they're the pivotal example of what white supremacy should be. This is wrong on over 9000 levels. Fucking Gibbonites, that book is outdated by 200 years, and people still fucking believe him when he said that Rome fell because of black people and women.  :evilmad:
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Re: Pagan or Racist?
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2016, 10:35:21 pm »
It appears to be a venture by a Jim Lyngvild, a fashion critic, writer of fantasy novels and social media narcissist in Denmark

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=da&u=https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Lyngvild&prev=search

http://cphpost.dk/news/who-is/who-is-jim-lyngvild.html

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/169683/islamization-copenhagen-bruce-bawer (note: Bawer is one of the many sources cited by Breivik's manifesto, nevertheless there is an interesting anecdote further down)

It seems, on early inspection, that this isn't organised Odinist white power stuff...but Lyngvild isn't exactly a man of character or high moral standing either, and may be unwittingly enabling racism due to his status.

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Re: Pagan or Racist?
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2016, 11:58:59 pm »
It's probably worth quickly noting the links between odinism nonsense, black metal and terrible people. It's not a short list but the themes are consistent. I would assume that right wing overtones are going to be everywhere along with an unhealthy dose of nationalism.

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Re: Pagan or Racist?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2016, 12:49:37 am »
If you're not happy with your local Gods, what makes anyone think they'd be happy with waffle's God?  So, what, hang a few thralls, eat frozen butter, and look like a Molly Hatchet album cover?  I fail to see the perceived benefit.
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Re: Pagan or Racist?
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2016, 12:53:50 am »
Could someone make the white power people stop ruining norse gods for everyone? 
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Re: Pagan or Racist?
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2016, 01:57:09 am »
Could someone make the white power people stop ruining norse gods for everyone?

Idris Elba maybe?
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Re: Pagan or Racist?
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2016, 02:22:12 am »
Could someone make the white power people stop ruining norse gods for everyone?

Idris Elba maybe?

James Bond is a norse god?

Actually, that makes a level of sense...the drinking, fighting and womanising are the last things a covert agent should be doing.  A viking covert agent, however...

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Re: Pagan or Racist?
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2016, 02:57:57 am »
Could someone make the white power people stop ruining norse gods for everyone?

Idris Elba maybe?

James Bond is a norse god?

Actually, that makes a level of sense...the drinking, fighting and womanising are the last things a covert agent should be doing.  A viking covert agent, however...

I quite like this angle.
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Re: Pagan or Racist?
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2016, 03:01:05 am »
I've encountered a number of Odinists who are racist, and a number who are not. I like old, ancestrally-based religions, so I'm excited to see the temple and I think the idea is beautiful. Of course, I have ALL the ancestors, so I'm biased.

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Re: Pagan or Racist?
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2016, 04:35:24 am »
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Re: Pagan or Racist?
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2016, 05:52:50 am »
All the Asatru I have met, some of whom were racist and some of whom were not, would be offended at being called Pagan.  They're Heathen or Asatru,  I don't think they want to share an umbrella term with the Wiccans.

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Re: Pagan or Racist?
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2016, 11:49:23 am »
All the Asatru I have met, some of whom were racist and some of whom were not, would be offended at being called Pagan.  They're Heathen or Asatru,  I don't think they want to share an umbrella term with the Wiccans.

Because why? Are we going to pretend that this is anything other than the same woo in a different suit?
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Re: Pagan or Racist?
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2016, 11:49:39 am »
All the Asatru I have met, some of whom were racist and some of whom were not, would be offended at being called Pagan.  They're Heathen or Asatru,  I don't think they want to share an umbrella term with the Wiccans.

Good.  If we let Pagans start dictating terms, next they'll be demanding equal rights, or the vote.

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Re: Pagan or Racist?
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2016, 11:52:06 am »
Could someone make the white power people stop ruining norse gods for everyone?

Idris Elba maybe?

James Bond is a norse god?

Actually, that makes a level of sense...the drinking, fighting and womanising are the last things a covert agent should be doing.  A viking covert agent, however...

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