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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2016, 07:27:06 pm »
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here.  We have two self-avowed fascists running around. 
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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2016, 07:34:36 pm »
Regardless, to hell with these people saying they're bailing.

There's WORK to do.

Out of curiosity, where's the line? At some point the only sane option is to recognize things are Fucked beyond control or repair.

2020 just became a guaranteed shitshow and I doubt 2024 will be any saner. 4-6/10 dems/republicans apparently believe the other side will literally destroy the country (depending on which poll you believe) and the current system now has an overwhelming interest to make it even more solidly divided.

The more I think about it the real winner is the 2 party system and the possibility easily exists to make this a 1 party system with some boundary changes and legislation that would fly through if presented.
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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2016, 07:39:30 pm »
Regardless, to hell with these people saying they're bailing.

There's WORK to do.

This shit, right here.
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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2016, 08:19:06 pm »
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here.  We have two self-avowed fascists running around.

Where then?
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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2016, 09:38:59 pm »
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here.  We have two self-avowed fascists running around.

Do you even know what fascism is?

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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2016, 11:16:07 pm »
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here.  We have two self-avowed fascists running around.

Where then?

Ron Paul and Brother Nihil.
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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2016, 11:17:54 pm »
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here.  We have two self-avowed fascists running around.

Do you even know what fascism is?
I've looked it up and the parts that aren't arrant doubletalk generally have to do with authoritarianism and strong leadership, and an emphasis on martial and macho culture with all the braindead stupidity that comes with theose things turned up to 11,
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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2016, 11:19:35 pm »
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here.  We have two self-avowed fascists running around.

Where then?

Ron Paul and Brother Nihil.

I meant where will your ideas be posted/executed.
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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2016, 11:21:28 pm »
In retrospect, this thread might not actually belong in Aneristic Illusions. We'll have plenty of time to discuss politics proper, but my post was about what this horrible religion of ours stands for.

Our terrible goddess is, unfortunately for all of us, inevitable and relentless. And She's just pulled up the curtain on Her next show.

Oh, frabjous day!
Holy Strife has come to play.

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Welcome back to 2000, Pee Dee Dot Com. It's like we never left, but it's bigger, meaner, and uglier than ever.
Oh, frabjous day!
Holy Strife has come to play.

Blood-stained goddess and hidden dagger,
One fucked-up board's peals of disgusted laughter

Giggling, swarming, whores of Babylon
Who for so long have sought to reach Avalon

Yet that sword has been torn from rock asunder
By screaming, waxing, gods of order

An order yet unfit for job
of holy hodge and holy podge

So now that we, unnarmed and scared
Have seen a vision that was quite fair

we fight for it, tooth and claw
down with every unjust law

Hail Eris!
Hail Discordia!

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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2016, 11:55:10 pm »
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here.  We have two self-avowed fascists running around.

Do you even know what fascism is?
I've looked it up and the parts that aren't arrant doubletalk generally have to do with authoritarianism and strong leadership, and an emphasis on martial and macho culture with all the braindead stupidity that comes with theose things turned up to 11,

Youre almost right. Look, Fascism started in Italy as a socialist movement. At this time, communists/socialists were genuinely trying to bring about a worldwide revolution, which meant if you wanted to be a commie you had to get cozy with Mother Russia the vanguard of the revolution. Eventually the fascists bucked this trend and told Russia to fuck off. So the Russians started using "fascism" as a snarl word for any socialists that wouldnt play ball with them. This included the Nazis, who being NATIONAL Socialists werent too fond of the whole worldwide revolution thing to begin with. America adopted this trend of using Fascism to describe its enemies in WW2, without really caring what it meant.

Then after the war a book called "The Crisis of the Liberal System and the Fascist Movements" by Ernst Nolte was published. He argued that the various totalitarian movements that happened in Europe between WW1 and WW2 were similar enough to all fall in the same category.

Basically, Fascism is what happens when Democracy goes terminal. What happened in all these places was, Democracy had devolved into various oligarchies trying to manipulate the masses for their own interests. While the actual stated goal of Democracy, giving people power over their government, had been abandoned. It seemed like no matter who they elected the people never actually got what they want, because the people they were electing had no interest in what the people wanted and were just power hungry self centered assholes. Does this sound familiar to you?

Then Fascism comes along and does something very simple, it offers people exactly what they want. It bucks the entire system that came before it, left/right communist/capitalist and focuses on fulfilling the will of the people. In a strange way it could be seen almost as a kind of democratic fundamentalism. The Will of the People above all things.

The goal is the complete transformation of a diseased society(totalitarianism), via an extrajudicial uniformed party militia lead by a charismatic leader, who, unlike the average despot, has his finger on the will of the people and executes it. The fact that Trump has so much opposition and hate by definition excludes him from fascism(he also doesnt fit any of the other qualifications while were at it). Fascism when it comes, is almost universally loved and supported by the people. All the European fascists, while having enemies in the diehards of the old establishment, enjoyed popular support of the average person in the street.

 Thats why I say when fascism happens in America it probably wont be racist, because that isnt what the people want. When Sinclair Lewis said  "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." He wasnt making some smarmy Jon Stewart jab at country hicks clinging to guns and bibles. He was speaking to an audience that still revered both of those things, strongly. Fascism isnt Trump, fascism is what comes after Trump. Fascism will present itself as SAVING you from Trump. And you will welcome it. Because it will be wrapped in the things you revere most.
 

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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2016, 12:06:36 am »
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here.  We have two self-avowed fascists running around.

Where then?

Ron Paul and Brother Nihil.

I meant where will your ideas be posted/executed.

Not sure just yet.  I've been thinking about another stand-alone BBS.  I need to talk to people who know about these things.
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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2016, 02:14:27 am »
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here.  We have two self-avowed fascists running around.

Where then?

Ron Paul and Brother Nihil.

I meant where will your ideas be posted/executed.

Not sure just yet.  I've been thinking about another stand-alone BBS.  I need to talk to people who know about these things.

You let me know sir. I've been in desperate need of a candid conversation for longer than i care to admit and indeed much needs doing, as Alty has said. PD will ensure as what it is and more, but there's REAL work to do ashore. We need a second vessel.
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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2016, 02:24:56 am »
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here.  We have two self-avowed fascists running around.

Where then?

Ron Paul and Brother Nihil.

I meant where will your ideas be posted/executed.

Not sure just yet.  I've been thinking about another stand-alone BBS.  I need to talk to people who know about these things.

You let me know sir. I've been in desperate need of a candid conversation for longer than i care to admit and indeed much needs doing, as Alty has said. PD will ensure as what it is and more, but there's REAL work to do ashore. We need a second vessel.

I'd prefer to use PD.  I'm comfortable with the interface, etc.

But it's got some turds floating in it.
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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2016, 03:55:09 am »
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here.  We have two self-avowed fascists running around.

Do you even know what fascism is?
I've looked it up and the parts that aren't arrant doubletalk generally have to do with authoritarianism and strong leadership, and an emphasis on martial and macho culture with all the braindead stupidity that comes with theose things turned up to 11,

Youre almost right. Look, Fascism started in Italy as a socialist movement. At this time, communists/socialists were genuinely trying to bring about a worldwide revolution, which meant if you wanted to be a commie you had to get cozy with Mother Russia the vanguard of the revolution. Eventually the fascists bucked this trend and told Russia to fuck off. So the Russians started using "fascism" as a snarl word for any socialists that wouldnt play ball with them. This included the Nazis, who being NATIONAL Socialists werent too fond of the whole worldwide revolution thing to begin with. America adopted this trend of using Fascism to describe its enemies in WW2, without really caring what it meant.

Then after the war a book called "The Crisis of the Liberal System and the Fascist Movements" by Ernst Nolte was published. He argued that the various totalitarian movements that happened in Europe between WW1 and WW2 were similar enough to all fall in the same category.

Basically, Fascism is what happens when Democracy goes terminal. What happened in all these places was, Democracy had devolved into various oligarchies trying to manipulate the masses for their own interests. While the actual stated goal of Democracy, giving people power over their government, had been abandoned. It seemed like no matter who they elected the people never actually got what they want, because the people they were electing had no interest in what the people wanted and were just power hungry self centered assholes. Does this sound familiar to you?

Then Fascism comes along and does something very simple, it offers people exactly what they want. It bucks the entire system that came before it, left/right communist/capitalist and focuses on fulfilling the will of the people. In a strange way it could be seen almost as a kind of democratic fundamentalism. The Will of the People above all things.

The goal is the complete transformation of a diseased society(totalitarianism), via an extrajudicial uniformed party militia lead by a charismatic leader, who, unlike the average despot, has his finger on the will of the people and executes it. The fact that Trump has so much opposition and hate by definition excludes him from fascism(he also doesnt fit any of the other qualifications while were at it). Fascism when it comes, is almost universally loved and supported by the people. All the European fascists, while having enemies in the diehards of the old establishment, enjoyed popular support of the average person in the street.

 Thats why I say when fascism happens in America it probably wont be racist, because that isnt what the people want. When Sinclair Lewis said  "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." He wasnt making some smarmy Jon Stewart jab at country hicks clinging to guns and bibles. He was speaking to an audience that still revered both of those things, strongly. Fascism isnt Trump, fascism is what comes after Trump. Fascism will present itself as SAVING you from Trump. And you will welcome it. Because it will be wrapped in the things you revere most.
 

So you're saying it's The Aftermath. That fits surprisingly well; like even the malaclypse "doom"/"dumb" thing fits
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Re: November 2016: Hail Discordia
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2016, 04:28:37 am »

Cmon, whatever our political differences do you really think I would fuck with trolling plans? Trolling is a sacrament.