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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #240 on: August 16, 2017, 06:35:42 pm »
I don't fear them, I fear what they could become, and there is genuinely as much chance of that here as there was in Germany in the 30s.

How do you quantify a genuine chance in this case?

If political action is to be predicated on the fear of what something might become, then we might as well just stop our entire country in its tracks. Stop the human race altogether. After all, think about what we might become.

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Do I know if this is going to turn into that? Of course not. Am I willing to take that chance? Shit no.

Well, then, what do you prefer? Diplomacy? Or war?

Let's assume war. Your only option is to exterminate them. Stamp them out. And you aren't going to do that with socks full of ball bearings. You aren't going to do it sitting around here circle-jerking each other about how good it would feel to punch a Nazi in the face.

And while you're at it, just wipe them all out. Kill the entire alt-right. Kill anyone who doesn't vote Democrat. Kill anyone who votes at all.

If you choose to love only those who don't hate and hate those who do, you'll wind up hating yourself as well. Might as well add that one to the kill list, too.

Yeah yeah yeah, I understand the tar baby principle as well as anyone else.

But see, the whole point of history is to attempt to avoid the same mistakes previously made. People didn't take the fascists seriously the first time, so people are less likely to be as complacent moving forward. Well, except edgy you, of course.

Your attempts to build straw men for me to shoot at are admirable, though ultimately a waste of your time. My arguments are aimed at groups attempting to impose genocide. My  argument is only for that group, and other groups require other arguments. But of course you know that, and are intentionally using eristic methods to muddy the waters. Nice try though.
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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #241 on: August 16, 2017, 06:57:21 pm »
My arguments are aimed at groups attempting to impose genocide.

Can you provide me with a source on that? Or are you just assuming that anyone who wants to emulate a Nazi has clear goals and the means to mass murder?

Truth is reached only through understanding.
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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #242 on: August 16, 2017, 07:14:20 pm »

How do you quantify a genuine chance in this case?

If political action is to be predicated on the fear of what something might become, then we might as well just stop our entire country in its tracks. Stop the human race altogether. After all, think about what we might become.

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Do I know if this is going to turn into that? Of course not. Am I willing to take that chance? Shit no.

Well, then, what do you prefer? Diplomacy? Or war?

Let's assume war. Your only option is to exterminate them. Stamp them out. And you aren't going to do that with socks full of ball bearings. You aren't going to do it sitting around here circle-jerking each other about how good it would feel to punch a Nazi in the face.

And while you're at it, just wipe them all out. Kill the entire alt-right. Kill anyone who doesn't vote Democrat. Kill anyone who votes at all.

If you choose to love only those who don't hate and hate those who do, you'll wind up hating yourself as well. Might as well add that one to the kill list, too.

We're gonna need more reductio ad absurdum and less rear lighting for this scene.

And listen kid, this can be yuge, but we gotta go all the way. I need you to really sell me the "lone genius in a world full of idiots" bit, and you can only do that with more navel-gazing. IF YOU CAN'T SMELL SWEAT AND LINT, YOUR HEAD'S NOT IN THERE FAR ENOUGH.

AND GODDAMNIT, CAN SOMEONE CHECK THE GATE AFTER THIS NEXT SHOOT? I FOUND 2 SQUIRRELS FUCKING IN A WOOL SOCK ON THE FILM FROM OUR LAST SET. IT WAS SO HOT IT BURNT THE REEL.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is, there's money in talent, and I'm not seeing much of it. We got 2 pages to turn this around, or I'm gonna have to cut you.

Alright, ABBY SINGER FROM THE TOP...

ACTION!

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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #243 on: August 16, 2017, 07:20:37 pm »
I wish and pray to all the gods and goddesses that may or may not exist for PMD to stick around in this thread and on this board.


Amen.

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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #244 on: August 16, 2017, 07:25:30 pm »

We're gonna need more reductio ad absurdum and less rear lighting for this scene.

And listen kid, this can be yuge, but we gotta go all the way. I need you to really sell me the "lone genius in a world full of idiots" bit, and you can only do that with more navel-gazing. IF YOU CAN'T SMELL SWEAT AND LINT, YOUR HEAD'S NOT IN THERE FAR ENOUGH.

AND GODDAMNIT, CAN SOMEONE CHECK THE GATE AFTER THIS NEXT SHOOT? I FOUND 2 SQUIRRELS FUCKING IN A WOOL SOCK ON THE FILM FROM OUR LAST SET. IT WAS SO HOT IT BURNT THE REEL.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is, there's money in talent, and I'm not seeing much of it. We got 2 pages to turn this around, or I'm gonna have to cut you.

Alright, ABBY SINGER FROM THE TOP...

ACTION!

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Please stay.
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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #245 on: August 16, 2017, 07:29:30 pm »
My arguments are aimed at groups attempting to impose genocide.

Can you provide me with a source on that? Or are you just assuming that anyone who wants to emulate a Nazi has clear goals and the means to mass murder?

Truth is reached only through understanding.

You may be too new to have been involved in PD's many trolling adventures, so you are forgiven for not realizing my personal brand of trolling was willful ignorance. In the immortal words of Joan Crawford, don't fuck with me, fella, this isn't my first time at the rodeo.

You've made it clear you are fucking around, and this conversation is now over.
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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #246 on: August 16, 2017, 07:29:55 pm »

How do you quantify a genuine chance in this case?

If political action is to be predicated on the fear of what something might become, then we might as well just stop our entire country in its tracks. Stop the human race altogether. After all, think about what we might become.

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Do I know if this is going to turn into that? Of course not. Am I willing to take that chance? Shit no.

Well, then, what do you prefer? Diplomacy? Or war?

Let's assume war. Your only option is to exterminate them. Stamp them out. And you aren't going to do that with socks full of ball bearings. You aren't going to do it sitting around here circle-jerking each other about how good it would feel to punch a Nazi in the face.

And while you're at it, just wipe them all out. Kill the entire alt-right. Kill anyone who doesn't vote Democrat. Kill anyone who votes at all.

If you choose to love only those who don't hate and hate those who do, you'll wind up hating yourself as well. Might as well add that one to the kill list, too.

We're gonna need more reductio ad absurdum and less rear lighting for this scene.

And listen kid, this can be yuge, but we gotta go all the way. I need you to really sell me the "lone genius in a world full of idiots" bit, and you can only do that with more navel-gazing. IF YOU CAN'T SMELL SWEAT AND LINT, YOUR HEAD'S NOT IN THERE FAR ENOUGH.

AND GODDAMNIT, CAN SOMEONE CHECK THE GATE AFTER THIS NEXT SHOOT? I FOUND 2 SQUIRRELS FUCKING IN A WOOL SOCK ON THE FILM FROM OUR LAST SET. IT WAS SO HOT IT BURNT THE REEL.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is, there's money in talent, and I'm not seeing much of it. We got 2 pages to turn this around, or I'm gonna have to cut you.

Alright, ABBY SINGER FROM THE TOP...

ACTION!

Pure gold.
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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #247 on: August 16, 2017, 07:50:00 pm »
I wish and pray to all the gods and goddesses that may or may not exist for PMD to stick around in this thread and on this board.


Amen.

HA! I'll make your gods and goddesses weep of jealousy once my Vision is made a reality.

AND CAN SOMEONE SACK THIS FUCKING BOOM OPERATOR? STEVE!.... STEVE!... I SWEAR TO GOD, STEVE, IF THAT BOOM DROPS INTO SHOT AGAIN, I'LL KILL YOU, FILM IT, AND SELL A SEPIA COPY TO KIM JONG UN. DO NOT FUCK WITH ME.

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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #248 on: August 16, 2017, 08:03:06 pm »
Yup, I'm in temporary love.

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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #249 on: August 16, 2017, 11:12:24 pm »
You've made it clear you are fucking around, and this conversation is now over.

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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #250 on: August 16, 2017, 11:13:25 pm »
You first

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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #251 on: August 16, 2017, 11:22:38 pm »
You first

What he said.

I'm sure there are folks here who would attest to the fact that I can easily change my mind if given sufficient reason to do so.

You gave me exactly zero reasons to rethink my policies.
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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #252 on: August 17, 2017, 12:11:10 am »
You gave me exactly zero reasons to rethink my policies.

That happens when someone abruptly ends the conversation just as its getting somewhere meaningful.

But what do I know? I'm just a troll, right?
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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #253 on: August 17, 2017, 12:11:56 am »
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: WHERE'S YOUR GODWIN, NOW?
« Reply #254 on: August 17, 2017, 12:54:13 am »

If you step on a snake and the snake bites you, you're as much at fault as the snake

6,000,000 snake bit Jews last time around.  But it will be DIFFERENT this time, right?
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