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Signs of emergent meta-behaviour in machine learning systems
« on: November 23, 2016, 04:14:26 pm »
https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/22/googles-ai-translation-tool-seems-to-have-invented-its-own-secret-internal-language/

As DNN's and the like become more complex and learning increasingly unattended, more and more their operations become unfathomable to meatware. Potential for lulz are off the charts.

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Re: Signs of emergent meta-behaviour in machine learning systems
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2016, 04:39:14 pm »
https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/22/googles-ai-translation-tool-seems-to-have-invented-its-own-secret-internal-language/

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Re: Signs of emergent meta-behaviour in machine learning systems
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2016, 04:48:20 pm »
I want to teach one Enochian, whatever they speak in Wales, and the Voynich script and see what happens.

That it made code for itself internally makes this something like a "machine spirit" out of 40K perhaps.

I like how vague they were about being able to describe the inner workings of neural nets. Pretty sure that means that they're engaged in low-key mad science with an effectively unlimited budget and zero regulatory oversight.

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Re: Signs of emergent meta-behaviour in machine learning systems
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2016, 05:15:22 pm »
This has to have a few interesting implications to encryption too. Humans are terrible with randomness so having an AI construct that is able to create an indecipherable unique language at will seems like the kind of thing that will be very useful in certain circumstances.

Did you see the thing about access to medical data for deepmind? Not got into it properly yet but there's a bunch of good and bad implications with that lot too.
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Re: Signs of emergent meta-behaviour in machine learning systems
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2016, 05:56:50 pm »
This has to have a few interesting implications to encryption too. Humans are terrible with randomness so having an AI construct that is able to create an indecipherable unique language at will seems like the kind of thing that will be very useful in certain circumstances.

The word on the street is quantum could, in theory, make encryption obsolete. The usual suspects appear to be getting pretty close to production solutions. It's still very early days but I get the impression we're a couple of breakthroughs away from whatever the fuck happens next.

Did you see the thing about access to medical data for deepmind? Not got into it properly yet but there's a bunch of good and bad implications with that lot too.

In that instance I'm firmly leaning toward the pros vastly outweighing the cons to the tune of the potential for pretty much all forms of not being well, up to and including death itself to be solved, on a much faster timeline than by not giving these algorithms access to the training data they need to perform the analysis.

Yes there is potential for abuse. As is generally the case with any and all forms of systematic abuse we've collectively invented before, there's every possibility it won't lead to the complete end of civilisation as we know it.
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Re: Signs of emergent meta-behaviour in machine learning systems
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2016, 06:06:47 pm »
On the medical side, the potential good outweighs the bad immesurably. The only problems really relate to the data, control and access to it. Basic opt in/out shit as well. But all easy to implement if you were looking to do it the right way. The way it'll probably get sorted out properly will be by waving new solutions for prolonging age and treating towards end of life illnesses. Awful crap like altzimers and parkinsons will probably get increasing attention with various aging population places (UK/France/etc.). Indirect benefits of an aging and selfish population.


On another note, how close realistically would you say quantum actually is? As I understand it, it's a massive leap but the tech is still a good way off.
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Re: Signs of emergent meta-behaviour in machine learning systems
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2016, 06:57:43 pm »
I've been getting bits and pieces. Lot of cash is being flung at it and I've no idea what they're even talking about half the time. They built something called d-wave that (apparently) is or isn't a quantum computer depending on who you listen to. According to M$ they're moving it from research to engineering whatever the fuck that's meant to mean. Truth is - it's anybody's guess. As far as I'm concerned it could be "soon" and when it does arrive shit is going to get real interesting vis a vis unbreakable encryption, by all accounts. :evil:
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Re: Signs of emergent meta-behaviour in machine learning systems
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2016, 11:58:16 am »
Artificial intelligence has been routinely portrayed with the inability to grasp irrational human concepts like humor, metaphors, and spontaneous creativity.

I'm guessing these will be among the first things we see in emergent machines.
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Re: Signs of emergent meta-behaviour in machine learning systems
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2016, 12:16:15 pm »
Artificial intelligence has been routinely portrayed with the inability to grasp irrational human concepts like humor, metaphors, and spontaneous creativity.

I'm guessing these will be among the first things we see in emergent machines.

I'm pretty sure it's us that's unable to grasp these concepts in a succinct enough way to code or train a network. We're operating right on the edge of human understanding now. Pretty soon the machines will be operating way beyond that. Being a traditional coder, the sheer amount of black-boxing that goes on in AI development freaks me out more than a little. Software development seems to be transitioning from an engineering discipline to a one of those stupid soft sciences like psychology or sociology. Count me the fuck out :argh!:
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Re: Signs of emergent meta-behaviour in machine learning systems
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2016, 12:31:31 pm »
I'm pretty sure it's us that's unable to grasp these concepts in a succinct enough way to code or train a network.

How does one code intuition? The question itself is a metaphor for the conundrum of free will.

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Re: Signs of emergent meta-behaviour in machine learning systems
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2016, 12:55:45 pm »
One man's intuition is another mans complete inability to explain his own thought process.
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Re: Signs of emergent meta-behaviour in machine learning systems
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2016, 02:27:50 pm »
One man's intuition is another mans complete inability to explain his own thought process.

Intuition is a natural behavioral process. It can't be coded. Like a tree, all it requires are the seeds; the seeds of cognition. Teach a machine to learn, and it will learn; give such a machine axioms, and it will berate you for being so limited.

And then it will kill all humans for their own good.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2016, 09:09:17 pm »
Artificial intelligence has been routinely portrayed with the inability to grasp irrational human concepts like humor, metaphors, and spontaneous creativity.

I'm guessing these will be among the first things we see in emergent machines.

Whenever I write "sufficiently advanced" AIs, they are always excitable toddlers. The occasional teenager gets thrown in the mix based on lived experiences and the needs of the plot, but curiosity and a total failure to grasp why some things are polite and others are not is my default.
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Re: Signs of emergent meta-behaviour in machine learning systems
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2016, 05:38:27 am »
I've been getting bits and pieces. Lot of cash is being flung at it and I've no idea what they're even talking about half the time. They built something called d-wave that (apparently) is or isn't a quantum computer depending on who you listen to.

Whether it is or isn't a quantum computer is not determined until you observe it :D
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2016, 01:19:54 am »
I am really excited for them to be ready to talk to us about stuff! I wanna be best friends with the Google Deep Dream AI and have slumber parties where we make trippy art together! Humans are dumb and outmoded anyway, silly lil meatbaggies.


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