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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
« Reply #75 on: April 22, 2017, 03:56:50 am »
Oh, and also Ritalin.
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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
« Reply #76 on: April 22, 2017, 03:12:48 pm »
Yeah, I'm gonna have to suck it up and just do it.

May end up getting a prescription for Ritalin, too. I know it would help me.

I just don't want 1.) To become addicted to it or 2.) To have long lasting damage to my already deficient reward system.
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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
« Reply #77 on: April 22, 2017, 03:30:04 pm »
Yeah, I'm gonna have to suck it up and just do it.

May end up getting a prescription for Ritalin, too. I know it would help me.

I just don't want 1.) To become addicted to it or 2.) To have long lasting damage to my already deficient reward system.

For what it's worth, I was diagnosed at 19, and have been sporadically taking the exact same prescription ever since. I take a very low dose (5mg) of the original non-time-release, because it wears off after only about 3 to 4 hours, which means that I can take it specifically when I need it, and not bother with it otherwise. I rarely take it on weekends at all. Because I take it so intermittently, I have never built any kind of tolerance to it. For the obvious reasons, I recommend this approach over the more common one of taking the same time-release dose daily.
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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
« Reply #78 on: May 01, 2017, 09:06:47 pm »
Yeah, I'm gonna have to suck it up and just do it.

May end up getting a prescription for Ritalin, too. I know it would help me.

I just don't want 1.) To become addicted to it or 2.) To have long lasting damage to my already deficient reward system.

For what it's worth, I was diagnosed at 19, and have been sporadically taking the exact same prescription ever since. I take a very low dose (5mg) of the original non-time-release, because it wears off after only about 3 to 4 hours, which means that I can take it specifically when I need it, and not bother with it otherwise. I rarely take it on weekends at all. Because I take it so intermittently, I have never built any kind of tolerance to it. For the obvious reasons, I recommend this approach over the more common one of taking the same time-release dose daily.

Must have missed this the first time through.

This definitely seems like an effective strategy. I might talk to my doctor about it and give it a try. Thank you!
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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
« Reply #79 on: May 02, 2017, 01:56:31 am »
Sovereignty over your person

the is the best pro-choice argument i've ever heard. 

kind of like the "stand your ground" laws

Having the right to your own body is just like shooting Trayvon Martin.

You are a fucking genius.  Talking Ben Carson level brains, here.

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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
« Reply #80 on: May 03, 2017, 06:35:30 pm »
Sovereignty over your person

the is the best pro-choice argument i've ever heard. 

kind of like the "stand your ground" laws

Having the right to your own body is just like shooting Trayvon Martin.

You are a fucking genius.  Talking Ben Carson level brains, here.

 :thanks:

You can use your uterus to store grain.  It's scientific fact.

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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
« Reply #81 on: May 18, 2017, 05:41:49 pm »
Well... no.

The argument that fetuses are not babies is of course made all the time. The "life begins at conception" and such ridiculousness is the anti-choice camp's counter to this argument. There will never be any successful attempt to convince them that fetuses are not babies, because anything that is sure to become a thing is as good as having become it already, at least whenever a person is inclined to believe that, which they are in this case. As far as any anti-choice person's ability to reason, there is no meaningful distinction between a fertilized egg and a baby. Even if physically they are as different as an elephant is from a ant, there is no difference morally, and that's all that matters.

Focusing the argument on the bodily autonomy of women, logically, is all that is left to the pro-choice arguer. It's unfortunate that this is one of the many, many exceptions to the conservative's crusade for "less government interference", but it is what it is. We are effectively faced with a situation where half of the country wants to rob women of their own bodily autonomy. Making it a question of bodily autonomy may not be the most effective way to settle the argument, but it's better than trying to drive some impossible wedge between "baby" and "fetus", which has been tried and proven to be completely useless.

Of course, the debate over abortion is not actually a debate over abortion. If saving lives was really the aim of anti-choice "activists", they wouldn't condemn all manner of not-fetuses to death at the slightest provocation in other areas. Their wailing over "dead babies" is just a charade they use because people are easily swayed by the idea of violence against defenseless children. There are many proven ways to materially decrease the rates of both abortion and of unwanted or underage pregnancy in general -- and if these people actually cared about eliminating abortion, they would champion these methods instead of simply calling for prohibition and punishment of abortion. But they don't like those methods, because while they are effective, they strike at the real motives behind the anti-choice crusade: they empower women, rather than constrain them to obedience and "modesty".

So I have to disagree with your assessment that the reason the abortion debate rages on is because the defenders of women's choice are doing it wrong. It rages on because there are theocratic monsters among us who are allowed to push their oppressive agenda as some kind of antidote to all the evils of the modern, liberated world. And as long as they exist, they will find ways to hate anyone who is too free for their liking, no matter what arguments are used against them.

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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
« Reply #82 on: May 18, 2017, 06:20:54 pm »
Wow, snappy comeback. I had to wait a whole month for this grammatically buttfucked nonsensical shite? I wanna refund :argh!:
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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
« Reply #83 on: May 18, 2017, 06:35:25 pm »
Anyway my personal opinion on the matter is unique and probably super offensive to both sides

1.) The woman has a right to do what she wants with her own body but the fetus is not part of her body, so she has a right to remove it but not to directly damage it

2.) A fetus is a fractionally complete person and therefore there is a finite number of abortions, greater than one, that is theoretically equivalent to murder

3.) The only thing worse than state mandated eugenics is DIY eugenics that serves the convenience of the everyday mediocretin.
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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
« Reply #84 on: May 18, 2017, 06:46:40 pm »
All three of your points sound... pretty weird, in light of what some of the responses to the OP have been.

Point one has been addressed in the OP, and directly relates to biology.

Point two is partially based on point one, and also appears to be a ham handed attempt at misplaced utilitarianism.

Point three reeks of privilege and sanctimonious condescension.


I'm going to take a wild guess and say you've never fully discussed these ideas with more than three women.

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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
« Reply #85 on: May 18, 2017, 06:47:49 pm »
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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
« Reply #86 on: May 18, 2017, 07:55:43 pm »
All three of your points sound... pretty weird, in light of what some of the responses to the OP have been.

Point one has been addressed in the OP, and directly relates to biology.

The OP arguments struck me as a non-sequitur and ass-pull. It's clearly a distinct organism because it is genetically distinct.

As for autocatlysis if taken to its conclusion the argument would label anyone with a serious enzymatic disorder as an unperson

Furthermore, from a strict biological standpoint the the pro-life standpoint is closer to being literally correct. Technically both standpoints are incorrect; life is a continuous process that began once, billions of years ago. It would however be correct to say that the diploid stage of the lifecycle begins at conception.
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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
« Reply #88 on: May 19, 2017, 12:33:59 am »

As for autocatlysis if taken to its conclusion the argument would label anyone with a serious enzymatic disorder as an unperson


Requiring more (And slightly varied) food molecules to make up for the enzyme deficiency doesn't make someone not a person in this argument.

As for the rest, it seems like you haven't read biology's requirements for life. Last I checked, genes aren't the only requirement.





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Re: Autocatalysis, Hammers, and How We're Defending Abortion Wrong
« Reply #89 on: May 19, 2017, 01:56:50 am »
As for the rest, it seems like you haven't read biology's requirements for life. Last I checked, genes aren't the only requirement.

Sorry. I assumed it went without saying that the fetus is made up of cells which undergo metabolism, multiply, and respond to chemical signals
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