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Biblical Series with Jordan B Peterson
« on: August 15, 2017, 07:55:19 pm »
Biblical Series I: Introduction to the Idea of God

This a lecture series we've been batting around in #discord over the last day or two. It's not a straight info-dump so much as Peterson trying to work through some of his ideas in a public forum. So it rambles and digresses and circles around what he's aiming to say.

I'm not familiar with J. Peterson at all - I understand that he's a controversial figure in some circles, and there are a couple of places in this lecture where I want to throw fruit at him. But for the most part, I really enjoyed this lecture. Anybody who can quote the bible and homer simpson and give both some weight is a good orator.

Here are a few of the topics from this lecture:
  • Why Nietzsche was right about Christianity destroying itself
  • The unconscious (in the Freudian sense - the stuff we carry inside of us which has a big impact on our behavior despite us not being aware of it) and how it's the space where myths take place
  • the origin of philosophical or moral ideals and how they move from concrete behaviors to symbolic abstractions
  • The underlying psychological forces which inform biblical mythology, law, and concepts like sovereignty..
  • and how those forces may also be what the ancient Greeks and Israelites meant by "God"


I thought you cats might dig some of this stuff - at the very least, it's thought provoking

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Re: Biblical Series with Jordan B Peterson
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2017, 08:10:47 pm »
I thought his interview on the Joe Rogan Experience was fascinating.  I took him to be a sort of evolutionary psychologist and is perspective on many "archaic" ideas being passed on from pre-human times very interesting to ponder (i.e. snakes representing evil goes all the way back to tree dwelling monkey times)
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Re: Biblical Series with Jordan B Peterson
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2017, 09:30:05 pm »
ugh, evo psych gives me hives, & I just discovered his clashes with "the SJWs"....  ughhhh I think I'll stick to his religious studies stuff.

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Re: Biblical Series with Jordan B Peterson
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2017, 10:36:18 pm »
ugh, evo psych gives me hives . . .

oh?  it was my first and only exposure to it - i didn't really even know it was a thing
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Re: Biblical Series with Jordan B Peterson
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2017, 11:15:52 pm »
let me put it this way - evo psych is the domain of "just so" stories... It's not evidence based. You don't collect data and then come up with a theory to organize it. A lot of evo psych starts with a premise, like, men are naturally promiscuous and women are naturally monogamous, and then tries to concoct a reductive explanation for why this behavior is informed by natural selection. A lot of evo psych isn't falsifiable. And it's one of these things that typically gets thrown around in defense of some repugnant ideas.

I might have to watch the Joe Rogan podcast... idk, I try to limit my intake of talks about "The SJWs" these days, as a bloodpressure precaution.


It really throws me when somebody can speak so eloquently and deeply about one topic and then be a shithead in other dimensions.

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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2017, 12:40:50 am »
I see where you are coming from with the "just so" stories comparison - i didn't think of it in that context.  I was more fascinated with the connection he made between some dots that i never thought to even try connect.

I'm not sure you will like the Joe Rogan interview as it does, if i recall, delve into quite a bit of left vs right discussion. . .
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Re: Biblical Series with Jordan B Peterson
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2017, 02:58:22 am »
I see where you are coming from with the "just so" stories comparison - i didn't think of it in that context.  I was more fascinated with the connection he made between some dots that i never thought to even try connect.

I'm not sure you will like the Joe Rogan interview as it does, if i recall, delve into quite a bit of left vs right discussion. . .


I heard it, I can say it's not /entirely/ that, but you're better off sticking with the lectures. I feel like he's overly cerebral in that same way that sam harris is--you know, that ignoring the social implications of what he says kinda thing and also something about staying in one's own lane. But, the flip-side, he does really dig deep on a biblical interpretation i haven't really considered before.

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Re: Biblical Series with Jordan B Peterson
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2017, 01:36:04 pm »
i get a kick out of the canadian accent, too
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Re: Biblical Series with Jordan B Peterson
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2017, 03:45:16 pm »
i get a kick out of the canadian accent, too

:lol: to my ear, he keeps morphing from Crispin Glover to Kermit the Frog

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Re: Biblical Series with Jordan B Peterson
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2017, 04:02:45 pm »
i get a kick out of the canadian accent, too

:lol: to my ear, he keeps morphing from Crispin Glover to Kermit the Frog

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Re: Biblical Series with Jordan B Peterson
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2017, 12:17:49 am »
I'm about half an hour into the first lecture. I like how painstakingly honest he is about what is unknown and that he understands the oversimplification epidemic in academia and elsewhere. Going to take the whole 6 hours of stuff one bite at a time, but this seems darn well worth it.
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