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Re: The left and the right
« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2018, 05:54:46 pm »
Brave New World has similarities but it's problems are unrelated to these similarities, and in many ways stem from the places where it isn't similar. They seem to have stagnated under the rule of a religion that worships ancient 19th century industrialists, they seem to have gone out of their way to perpetuate injustices that their technology and culture should have solved (in particular they still have a rigid caste system despite strict population control and the end of biological families, which essentially means that they're practicing population control to no reason other than to do it; exactly the sort of practice I seek to get rid of; they have too many people for everyone to be comfortable intentionally and this means that someone somewhere has given a damn about something that they shouldn't have), and related to the previous point they practice a sort of eugenics (and in places, reverse-eugenics) which is also indicative of people giving a damn in places and situations where they shouldn't
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Re: The left and the right
« Reply #61 on: May 12, 2018, 06:15:48 pm »
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For all distinctions between races, cultures, and ethnicities to be cast down and forgotten. For all gender expression to be eliminated due to all gender specificity of anything (clothing, bathrooms, sports teams, etc.) being eliminated. For the institution of marriage to be eliminated. For all cultures and peoples of the world to be merged into a single superculture.

you don't want norms
but you want to eliminate differences

you want individuality
but don't like how a lot of people have chosen to individuate

you don't want diveristy or difference
you prefer to imagine a harmonious monoculture





I think your vision is in self conflict.

You can't have a unifying culture with no norms. What is there to unify around?
You can't have maximum individuality while eliminating individual racial, sexuality, culture.

(culture, by the way, usually grows from the bottom up... somebody starts using slang, the people around them adopt it, fast forward, you've got a new language... people naturally separate and individuate, culture is a fractal and when you lean in real close, there is always a rough edge containing infinite complexity and diversity)


It reminds me of the libertarians that want freedom from government authority
and therefore support corporate tyranny

the bathwater and the baby fly into the wild blue yonder

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Re: The left and the right
« Reply #62 on: May 12, 2018, 07:09:53 pm »
FWIW, I think casting off or disregarding all factors that unify people and trying to make decisions based on pure individualism is not casting off ideology or rising above it.

An ideology is, to borrow a definition I learned from PhilosophyTube ("What Was Liberalism"), simply a framework that defines two main things:

1) What facts are relevant
2) Who are the acceptable targets of violence

Even the most nihilistic, norm-rejecting stance has SOME kind of answer to these questions, and therefore has an ideology.

I'ma go with one that I think sucks the least and has the least separation from testable, empirical experience. Sometimes I'll fuck that up. But I'm pretty much over the "both sides are bad lol" mode of coping with bullshit.

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Re: The left and the right
« Reply #63 on: June 01, 2018, 02:02:29 am »
I think I've heard this one before.

I would literally give my left arm to live in a society with the same attitudes towards drugs, family, and casual sex as the one in Brave New World. The problems with the society in Brave New World were that they had a rigid caste system that oppressed the poor and the fact that they worshipped Henry Ford as some kind of weird deity.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2018, 02:05:09 am by Prelate Diogenes Shandor »
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Re: The left and the right
« Reply #64 on: June 01, 2018, 02:20:51 am »
I think I've heard this one before.

I would literally give my left arm to live in a society with the same attitudes towards drugs, family, and casual sex as the one in Brave New World. The problems with the society in Brave New World were that they had a rigid caste system that oppressed the poor and the fact that they worshipped Henry Ford as some kind of weird deity.

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Re: The left and the right
« Reply #65 on: June 01, 2018, 12:55:22 pm »
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Re: The left and the right
« Reply #66 on: June 01, 2018, 02:18:11 pm »
weren't the drugs and state-sponsored value systems in Brave New World just an advanced form of factory production?


like saying, I'm cool with the government controlling every aspect of life down to people's personal values as long as it's not based on money



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Re: The left and the right
« Reply #67 on: June 01, 2018, 04:01:56 pm »
"Letting a God into your life is like letting "Bob" into your wallet.  It's going to hurt, because they always grab more things that they said they would."
-Some silly dead bastard in Tucson.

" Jonas Salk could SHIT ON MY DESK, and I'd still sing his praises.  No more polio kids in iron lungs or wheelchairs.  Jonas Salk did fucking MAD SCIENCE, and the world is a million times better for it."
- The same dumbass.

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Re: The left and the right
« Reply #68 on: June 01, 2018, 04:34:17 pm »
Your argument's kind of fucked if it hinges on the notion that you can do Brave New World, but better.