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« on: December 10, 2005, 04:34:18 pm »
the machine relies on being able to control people

the machine is driving people insane thru entertainment and drugs (of all sorts - mental / physical)

insane people cannot be controlled


thus
the machine contributes to its demise
and
the demise of the machine is imminent

and messy
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Re: another sign the machine is rotting
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2005, 05:15:41 pm »
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the machine relies on being able to control people

the machine is driving people insane thru entertainment and drugs (of all sorts - mental / physical)

insane people cannot be controlled


thus
the machine contributes to its demise
and
the demise of the machine is imminent

and messy


Meh.  That's happened many, many times before.  And The Machine(tm) waits patiently for things to stabilize, and then subverts and dominates the new paradigm.

Historical examples upon request.
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2005, 05:50:08 pm »
Insane people can be controlled...with the right drugs and stimuli.  Also, all these crazy people running about the place are just another excuse for more control from on high.
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before

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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2005, 06:12:57 pm »
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Insane people can be controlled...with the right drugs and stimuli

or they can be rounded up and shot. which has happend before
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2005, 06:18:20 pm »
Yep, but only by people who had as irrational inputs as those who they ordered to be killed.  Its far better to find a use for them, a threat, leverage...as every good leader knows, its fear that controls the people.  Of who is nearly irrelevant, so long as the outcome can be manipulated...
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before

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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2005, 06:19:38 pm »
so mental slavary?
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2005, 06:24:39 pm »
Nope, just manipulation.  Its predetermined buttons and reactions, press A and get B.  Rarely ever fails either, because its built on a basic element of human nature.  Machiavelli was smart, but that fascist scumbag Carl Schmidt (and by extension, Nietzsche) hit the nail on the head.
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2005, 06:46:22 pm »
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Nope, just manipulation.  Its predetermined buttons and reactions, press A and get B.  Rarely ever fails either, because its built on a basic element of human nature.  Machiavelli was smart, but that fascist scumbag Carl Schmidt (and by extension, Nietzsche) hit the nail on the head.


For example, giving them a "choice" between two "opposing" political parties...
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2005, 06:47:32 pm »
Thats one of the old good ones, yeah.  Control the choices was the favourite trick of Henry Kissinger, for example.
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before

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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2005, 06:51:03 pm »
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Thats one of the old good ones, yeah.  Control the choices was the favourite trick of Henry Kissinger, for example.


Ah, good old Henry...stuck by The Man, til the bitter end.

After The Machine cast Nixon aside, Henry and Dick would wander the halls of the White House, swilling gin and begging the portraits of presidents past for guidance.

Nixon went down, of course, in the end, and Kissinger was left to bitterly curse John Dean, out in the desert.

Needless to say, I have a soft spot for the man.
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2005, 06:52:31 pm »
He understood power incredibly well, which was most of the problem really.
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before

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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2005, 06:53:40 pm »
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He understood power incredibly well, which was most of the problem really.


Problem?

TGRR,
Doesn't understand.
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2005, 06:55:15 pm »
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He understood power incredibly well, which was most of the problem really.


Problem?

TGRR,
Doesn't understand.


Well, I say problem, you say good times, one normally leads to the other if given time anyway...
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2005, 07:03:34 pm »
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He understood power incredibly well, which was most of the problem really.


Problem?

TGRR,
Doesn't understand.


Well, I say problem, you say good times, one normally leads to the other if given time anyway...


NOBODY is allowed to have fun anymore.

Hell, you get caught with a few grams of smallpox, and they throw you in jail.

What the HELL is going on in this country?
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2005, 07:22:46 pm »
how do any historical examples accomodate the intranet?


also
who are the younger people able to escape the drug-induced insanity coming into replace the current people in power?

reagan got alzheimers
bush look like he crackin down
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