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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2005, 07:23:56 pm »
The communications revolution is vastly overrated when you take into account how many people actually have access to it.
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before

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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2005, 07:25:30 pm »
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how do any historical examples accomodate the intranet?


also
who are the younger people able to escape the drug-induced insanity coming into replace the current people in power?

reagan got alzheimers
bush look like he crackin down


Hehehe...so, 1 million bitter fatasses are going to have a revolution?

:lol:

No, they'll just sit around and TALK about it.

The Machine ALWAYS wins.
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2005, 07:26:52 pm »
true


but
if you stretch the machine rationale far enough
they WANT everybody on the communications network





as to my other point -
do the children of politicians not watch tv?
are they not diabetic asthmatics?

(edit - that was in response to cains post)
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2005, 07:28:33 pm »
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true


but
if you stretch the machine rationale far enough
they WANT everybody on the communications network





as to my other point -
do the children of politicians not watch tv?
are they not diabetic asthmatics?


Properly medicated diabetic asthmatics.

You think THEY are exempt?

You think the politicians are The Machine?  :lol:  No, they're just the paper-mache face The Machine wears.
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2005, 07:29:30 pm »
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Quote from: LHX
how do any historical examples accomodate the intranet?


also
who are the younger people able to escape the drug-induced insanity coming into replace the current people in power?

reagan got alzheimers
bush look like he crackin down


Hehehe...so, 1 million bitter fatasses are going to have a revolution?

:lol:

No, they'll just sit around and TALK about it.

The Machine ALWAYS wins.


rog = big man?
neat hell

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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2005, 07:31:16 pm »
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You think the politicians are The Machine?  :lol:  No, they're just the paper-mache face The Machine wears.


true true true

but
the machine relies on people right?

if theyre all nuts
(beyond the ability to make rules)

where is the machine?
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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2005, 07:31:29 pm »
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how do any historical examples accomodate the intranet?


also
who are the younger people able to escape the drug-induced insanity coming into replace the current people in power?

reagan got alzheimers
bush look like he crackin down


Hehehe...so, 1 million bitter fatasses are going to have a revolution?

:lol:

No, they'll just sit around and TALK about it.

The Machine ALWAYS wins.


rog = big man?


Rog = greasy spot under the treads, just like everybody else.

Edit:  There IS no "big man".  Just 6,000,000,000 "little men".
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2005, 07:32:09 pm »
Quote from: LHX
true


but
if you stretch the machine rationale far enough
they WANT everybody on the communications network


And?  Look at China, a totally closed network.  Comms are a tool at best, not an end in themselves.  And when you take into account the control that a state like China has, or the systems in place like Echelon, well...

Quote from: LHX
as to my other point -
do the children of politicians not watch tv?
are they not diabetic asthmatics?


Nope, they got proper diets and good hospitals and shit.  And if they were, so much the better.  It means the rest of us are worse off and cant fight back.
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before

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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2005, 07:32:36 pm »
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You think the politicians are The Machine?  :lol:  No, they're just the paper-mache face The Machine wears.


true true true

but
the machine relies on people right?

if theyre all nuts
(beyond the ability to make rules)

where is the machine?


You are assuming that The Machine is sentient.

It isn't.  It is a faceless conspiracy of dupes, which rumbles along on sheer inertia.

Crazy or sane as the cogs may be, makes NO difference.
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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2005, 07:33:30 pm »
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where is the machine?


To use an overly tedious film "what is the Matrix?", when viewed from the inside.
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before

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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2005, 07:36:29 pm »
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where is the machine?


To use an overly tedious film "what is the Matrix?", when viewed from the inside.


The machine is everywhere, is everyONE.

It is the smiling neighbor who never returns tools.  It is the smug preacher who condemns homosexuality while he buggers little boys.  It is the politician who claims he will "protect" you.  It is the commercial for "the little purple pill".  It is the Sit-Com that teaches you to laugh when others are humiliated.  It is the Tivo, which makes sure you don't miss ANY of your "programming", while you slave away for your meager wages.  It is the grade school "Turn in your parents for drugs" program.

It is all of these things and more...it is The Machine(tm).
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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2005, 07:43:34 pm »
yeah - i dig all the non-sentient nature of the machine

but
it look pretty clear the bitch is crumbling


the sheer nature of progression from parent to child ensures the machines eventual demise

like i said

when everybody is 'beyond reason'
there is no machine

the machine may be no person
but
it relies on people
and the decision-making-control-seeking capacity of man
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« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2005, 07:44:00 pm »
Yep.  From the inside, its everything.  Interlocking systems, all powered at their base by the same disgusting need to make everything the same, safe, conformed.  It is its own mirror image too.
"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."
- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before

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« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2005, 07:45:39 pm »
Quote from: LHX
yeah - i dig all the non-sentient nature of the machine

but
it look pretty clear the bitch is crumbling


the sheer nature of progression from parent to child ensures the machines eventual demise

like i said

when everybody is 'beyond reason'
there is no machine

the machine may be no person
but
it relies on people
and the decision-making-control-seeking capacity of man


Um, yeah.  But the fact is, with 6 BILLION people making decisions, you reach an equilibrium.

The Machine is crumbling?  Sure.  And the days of Theocracy are gone forever.  :lol:

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« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2005, 07:49:10 pm »
i dont know if it is positive thinking

but
like i said before


any end is a good end
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