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#5656
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Black Swan 101
May 24, 2008, 10:53:02 AM
You're getting there. Also consider the impact of each individual occurrence. Is the general rule (as determined by probability) or the exception more significant?

I thought a visual aid might be useful for presenting this topic, again using the "weight versus income" comparison. These examples require an understanding of what standard deviation is.

This is something from Mediocristan:


Notice that the guy who weighs 1,500 lbs, while very exceptional and quite rare (as indicated by his position on the standard deviation curve), ultimately is not very significant. On his own, he would not raise the average weight by more than a tiny bit, unless this graph were taken from a very small sample of people. Nor does he particularly skew the gene pool. The bulk of humanity still falls within a predictable range.

In this typical Mediocristan event, things that fall to the far end of the bell curve may be impressive or surprising, but they have little to no long-term influence. They are flukes, quirks, and generally ignorable.

Now let's look at something from Extremistan:


Not only does someone like Bill Gates practically fall off the chart because of his wealth, those few people who have annual incomes in the billions cause a graph of worldwide average income to become distorted. The number of people who actually fall into the "average" range is much less than standard probability dictates.

So we see that in Extremistan, the people and things which are at the tail ends of the probability curve are actually far more significant than the people and things which fall into the more predictable range. The extreme concentration of wealth in the hands of a small elite, and the subsequent enormous population of poor people, has far more impact than the so-called average annual income of the world's population.

(Note: even though it is from Extremistan, this is not an example of a true Black Swan because everybody already knows about it)

(Graphs not to scale, you pedantic spags)
#5657
Quote from: revidc on May 23, 2008, 04:22:52 AM
RIGHT.

I'LL TRY AGAIN I CAPS LOCK.

WHAT.

TYPE.

OF.

ZOMBIES?

you kids know nothing of Zombies.

Ask your parents about the Chicago Outbreak of 64.

The place never has been the same since.



Rogue Psyonetiks zombies.
#5659
Are you kidding? Putting a reference to the CHOAP in a new Discordian publikation would be pure meaty win!
#5660
Quote from: Nigel on May 21, 2008, 11:06:45 PM
Quote from: Cainad on May 17, 2008, 02:59:42 AM
That's okay, you can say the part about demanding that she turn over the drugs, gold, delicious pasta, and Orion slave girls that they hoard in Oregon.

Heyheyhey, now, don't be letting the cat out of the bag!

As soon as the bribes stop coming, the cat is going be so far out of that bag, it actually will be funny.
#5661
Quote from: Micro-Ice on May 22, 2008, 01:02:39 AM
Due to fausts insistence im about halfway through The Illuminatus Trilogy.

My head now hurts. 

It won't go away. Ever.
#5662
In 2012, our solar system will once again pass through Beta Tapiocus, resetting history and making way for the Fifth Race.
#5663
Quote from: Hoopla on May 21, 2008, 06:34:14 PM
Quote from: TheStripèdOne on May 21, 2008, 06:22:38 PMI'm confused that Cainad said this about my posts while pretending to be somebody else saying them about his own posts.

Welcome to the Concordia mystery.  Prepare to be bored.

:kingmeh:
#5664
And the King of Meh.
I have made an invaluable contribution to the Interfart, it seems :kingmeh:
#5665
Literate Chaotic / Re: The Haiku Game
May 21, 2008, 04:55:04 AM
Quote from: TheStripèdOne on May 21, 2008, 04:50:18 AM
Quote from: Cainad on May 21, 2008, 04:41:43 AM
Captain's log, Stardate...
Ofuk, it's a beef log now.
Um, the steak was good?

NT: U2

Interesting, because I parsed it as "Bee Flog"

Hmm, while my parsing involves meat and is thus worth more points, I must admit that the concept of flogging bees is sickly amusing. Being a good sport, I shall make another haiku to honor your parsing:

Buzz, buzz, whack, whack, whack!
See pollen-covered legs twitch
Where's my honey, bitch?

NT: U2
#5666
Literate Chaotic / Re: The Haiku Game
May 21, 2008, 04:41:43 AM
Captain's log, Stardate...
Ofuk, it's a beef log now.
Um, the steak was good?

NT: U2
#5667
Quote from: TheStripèdOne on May 20, 2008, 10:18:23 PM
Also, that guy's fucking lazier than I am with updating his blog.

Obvious distancing language, to separate himself from the person he does not want to be associated with.


Quote from: TheStripèdOne on May 20, 2008, 10:18:23 PM
Also, that guy's fucking lazier than I am with updating his blog.

The implied argument here is, "This guy is nothing like me, I couldn't be him."



That's right folks, you heard it here first:
Cainad is the Concordia guy, sowing paranoia to deflect attention away from himself.
#5668
Quote from: TheStripèdOne on May 20, 2008, 07:29:14 PM
Quote from: NWC on May 20, 2008, 03:58:16 AM


I like this image because "R" is circled, presumably in confusion that it's on a button in an elevator, judging by the image name.

IT STANDS FOR ROOF, JACK-ASS CIRCLER OF JPGS.

EDIT:  Apparently it is circled because it is part of the "Random Lift Button Project", whereby a user can click on it and go to a random floor.  Er, I mean push it.  Too much computer time :(

Wrong answer.

It's "funny" because the chick standing next to it is Asian, and presumably cannot pronounce the letter 'R' properly.
#5669
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Black Swan 101
May 20, 2008, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: Padre Pataphoros on May 20, 2008, 06:45:29 PM

Quote from: Ratatosk on May 20, 2008, 05:57:59 PM
Quote from: Padre Pataphoros on May 20, 2008, 05:45:20 PM

Since identifying a Black Swan requires a human observer then I would say that we're responsible for all of them, not just some.  An event that is unexpected implies someone is expecting something else.



Eh? I thought you were arguing that Free Will was necessary for Black Swans... not that human perception was necessary to categorize Black Swans... which are you arguing here?


This started out with me wondering what impact free will had on a Black Swan situation.  I concluded that if non-deterministic free will is true then All of Everything Yet To Occur is a Black Swan.  We can't know everything, so we can never be sure of anything. 


Good god, no. Most of All of Everything Yet To Occur falls within a standard deviation bell curve of probability. A Black Swan is an event in which the rare, outrageous exception turns out to be more significant than the more probable events, which tend to be moderate.

Imagine that, while playing a Monopoly game, someone gets a Chance card that says "You win 5 million dollars." It would be completely unexpected (because the real game of Monopoly has no such card), there would only be one small chance for it to occur, but it would nevertheless be more significant than every other event in the game put together.
#5670
Quote from: Felix on May 20, 2008, 06:28:33 AM
Sous-vide cooking uses airtight plastic bags placed in hot water well below boiling point for long periods of time.

:x