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Principia Discordia => Aneristic Illusions => Topic started by: Requia ☣ on May 07, 2010, 05:29:34 AM

Title: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 07, 2010, 05:29:34 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36741.html
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Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) thinks he's found a work-around on the whole Miranda rights debate for U.S. citizens accused of terrorism: Strip their citizenship and ship them to Guantanamo.

Lieberman plans to introduce a bill that would amend a decades-old law aimed at yanking citizenship from U.S. citizens who fight for a foreign military.
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Nast on May 07, 2010, 05:32:03 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 07, 2010, 05:29:34 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36741.html
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Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) thinks he's found a work-around on the whole Miranda rights debate for U.S. citizens accused of terrorism: Strip their citizenship and ship them to Guantanamo.

Lieberman plans to introduce a bill that would amend a decades-old law aimed at yanking citizenship from U.S. citizens who fight for a foreign military.

:asplode:
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Juana on May 07, 2010, 05:41:27 AM
Don't we read immigrants (of any variety) their Mirandas? I'm pretty sure we do.
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 07, 2010, 05:43:50 AM
Quote from: Hover Cat on May 07, 2010, 05:41:27 AM
Don't we read immigrants (of any variety) their Mirandas? I'm pretty sure we do.

We do yeah.  There's also the bit that you have the rights regardless of if you get read them (which is why cops like to question suspects without arresting them if possible, no need to read them the rights, and not everybody knows them).
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Juana on May 07, 2010, 05:52:19 AM
Then this, plus the various rulings by the Supreme Court on the issue of suspects in Gitmo, should make it illegal. That doesn't mean it isn't going to happen anyway, but still.
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: LMNO on May 07, 2010, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 07, 2010, 05:29:34 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36741.html
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Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) thinks he's found a work-around on the whole Miranda rights debate for U.S. citizens accused of terrorism: Strip their citizenship and ship them to Guantanamo.

Lieberman plans to introduce a bill that would amend a decades-old law aimed at yanking citizenship from U.S. citizens who fight for a foreign military.


Please note the above emphasis.


I'm laughing until blood drips from my ears.
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on May 07, 2010, 03:25:31 PM
Wow.

Liberman is one of America's greatest shitbags. How is he still in in the senate?
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: LMNO on May 07, 2010, 03:37:22 PM
Because we get what we deserve.
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2010, 04:36:09 PM
This is only what the American public has been demanding.

I sort of long for the day when it's used for even funnier purposes.
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Mangrove on May 07, 2010, 09:45:31 PM
Dear other states that aren't CT,

As a resident of Connecticut, I'd like to apologize for:

a) George W Bush. (The fake, hilarity inducing Texan & former president)

b) Senator Christopher Dodd - for his legislation that ended up protecting AIG pay bonuses after the economy went splodey in 2008.

c) NYC car bomber guy. Though, there's probably not a lot of difference between parts of Bridgeport and a terrorist training camp in Pakistan.

d) Crazy chimpanzees that rip your face & hands off.

e) Sen Joseph Leiberman - Treacherous douchebag.

f) The Jerry Springer Show - now filmed in CT because it's cheaper.

g) Cainad. (kidding)

For these and other crimes this state has committed against the US, I apologize.

Mangrove
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: AFK on May 08, 2010, 01:57:07 AM
I just don't get Joe.  What the hell is going through that man's head? 
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Mangrove on May 08, 2010, 04:43:15 AM
John Stewart on Lieberman:

[deeply unflattering pic of Joe on screen]

JS: Who could get mad at a face like that?.........That is his face, right?

:lulz:
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Iason Ouabache on May 08, 2010, 04:54:42 AM
Quote from: Hover Cat on May 07, 2010, 05:41:27 AM
Don't we read immigrants (of any variety) their Mirandas? I'm pretty sure we do.
It shouldn't matter what their citizenship is. The Bill of Rights doesn't say "US citizens", it says "people".
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Chairman Risus on May 11, 2010, 06:52:00 AM
Quote from: Mangrove on May 07, 2010, 09:45:31 PM
Dear other states that aren't CT,

As a resident of Connecticut, I'd like to apologize for:

g) Cainad. (kidding)


Someone has to eventually. It's either you guys or Hawaii.
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Jenne on May 11, 2010, 05:15:11 PM
And where's the so-called ALL RIGHTS UNLIMITED TO BE PROTECTED Tea-Party on this?

Oh yeah, cheering. :kingmeh:
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: AFK on May 11, 2010, 05:20:10 PM
Expanding government is A-OK to them when it swallows up the undesirables like immigrants, minorities, and gays/lesbians. 

I think it was Jonathan Alter who said it on Countdown, paraphrasing, "They aren't for smaller government, they are for their government." 
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Jenne on May 11, 2010, 05:33:35 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 11, 2010, 05:20:10 PM
Expanding government is A-OK to them when it swallows up the undesirables like immigrants, minorities, and gays/lesbians. 

I think it was Jonathan Alter who said it on Countdown, paraphrasing, "They aren't for smaller government, they are for their government." 

Yup.  That's why so many welfare and medicare recipients march with them...because they're the right color to receive the benefits...
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Juana on May 12, 2010, 04:14:17 AM
Eric Holder: Miranda Rights Should Be Modified For Terrorism Suspects

QuoteAttorney General Eric Holder said for the first time today on ABC's "This Week" that ]the Obama administration is open to modifying Miranda protections to deal with the "threats that we now face."

"The [Miranda] system we have in place has proven to be effective," Holder told host Jake Tapper. "I think we also want to look and determine whether we have the necessary flexibility -- whether we have a system that deals with situations that agents now confront. ... We're now dealing with international terrorism. ... I think we have to give serious consideration to at least modifying that public-safety exception [to the Miranda protections]. And that's one of the things that I think we're going to be reaching out to Congress, to come up with a proposal that is both constitutional, but that is also relevant to our times and the threats that we now face."

America's system of Miranda rights developed out of a 1966 Supreme Court ruling which found that the Fifth Amendment and Sixth Amendment rights of an alleged rapist and kidnapper, Ernesto Arturo Miranda, had been violated during his arrest and trial (Miranda was later retried and convicted).

The Court ruled that before being interrogated, a person in custody must (among other things) "be clearly informed that he or she has the right to remain silent, and that anything the person says will be used against that person in court," and that they "must be clearly informed that he or she has the right to consult with an attorney and to have that attorney present during questioning."

Holder, who was making his first appearance on a Sunday morning news show, also declared that the Pakistani Taliban was behind the attempted bombing of Times Square by Faisal Shahzad last week.

"We've now developed evidence that shows that the Pakistani Taliban was behind the attack," Holder said. "We know that they helped facilitate it. We know that they probably helped finance it. And that he was working at their direction."

:argh!: :evilmad:
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Iason Ouabache on May 12, 2010, 09:40:39 AM
It's like they don't understand the meaning of the word "suspect". Didn't we used to believe in innocent until proven guilty?
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Jenne on May 12, 2010, 02:43:42 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on May 12, 2010, 09:40:39 AM
It's like they don't understand the meaning of the word "suspect". Didn't we used to believe in innocent until proven guilty?

No.  Until arrested.

You find that out once that happens to you or someone you love/care about.
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: LMNO on May 12, 2010, 02:52:49 PM
Unfortunately, this.



It upsets me more than I can actually say that this is the case.
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Cait M. R. on May 15, 2010, 04:55:20 AM
Quote from: Jenne on May 12, 2010, 02:43:42 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on May 12, 2010, 09:40:39 AM
It's like they don't understand the meaning of the word "suspect". Didn't we used to believe in innocent until proven guilty?

No.  Until arrested.

You find that out once that happens to you or someone you love/care about.

How about getting arrested, the handcuffs yanked down on your wrist hard enough to permanently destroy a nerve that's connected to the back of your thumb and leave extremely disturbing scars, then getting taken to prison and having your finger broken because your haircut offends the shift commander? That happens, you know. Oh, wasn't read my rights either. Mentioned that to the judge, got told "suck it up".

Yeah. Innocent until arrested. Absolutely true.
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Freeky on May 16, 2010, 04:25:09 AM
Quote from: Hover Cat on May 12, 2010, 04:14:17 AM
Eric Holder: Miranda Rights Should Be Modified For Terrorism Suspects

QuoteAttorney General Eric Holder said for the first time today on ABC's "This Week" that ]the Obama administration is open to modifying Miranda protections to deal with the "threats that we now face."

"The [Miranda] system we have in place has proven to be effective," Holder told host Jake Tapper. "I think we also want to look and determine whether we have the necessary flexibility -- whether we have a system that deals with situations that agents now confront. ... We're now dealing with international terrorism. ... I think we have to give serious consideration to at least modifying that public-safety exception [to the Miranda protections]. And that's one of the things that I think we're going to be reaching out to Congress, to come up with a proposal that is both constitutional, but that is also relevant to our times and the threats that we now face."

America's system of Miranda rights developed out of a 1966 Supreme Court ruling which found that the Fifth Amendment and Sixth Amendment rights of an alleged rapist and kidnapper, Ernesto Arturo Miranda, had been violated during his arrest and trial (Miranda was later retried and convicted).

The Court ruled that before being interrogated, a person in custody must (among other things) "be clearly informed that he or she has the right to remain silent, and that anything the person says will be used against that person in court," and that they "must be clearly informed that he or she has the right to consult with an attorney and to have that attorney present during questioning."

Holder, who was making his first appearance on a Sunday morning news show, also declared that the Pakistani Taliban was behind the attempted bombing of Times Square by Faisal Shahzad last week.

"We've now developed evidence that shows that the Pakistani Taliban was behind the attack," Holder said. "We know that they helped facilitate it. We know that they probably helped finance it. And that he was working at their direction."

:argh!: :evilmad:

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"We've now developed evidence that shows that the Pakistani Taliban was behind the attack," Holder said. "We know that they helped facilitate it. We know that they probably helped finance it. And that he was working at their direction."

Quote
"We've now developed evidence that shows that the Pakistani Taliban was behind the attack,"

Quote
"We've now developed evidence

Fuck off, government people.
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: the last yatto on May 16, 2010, 09:17:33 PM
DId they ever ID that Black/Red Shirted fellow?
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 16, 2010, 09:20:08 PM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on May 16, 2010, 04:25:09 AM
Quote from: Hover Cat on May 12, 2010, 04:14:17 AM
Eric Holder: Miranda Rights Should Be Modified For Terrorism Suspects

QuoteAttorney General Eric Holder said for the first time today on ABC's "This Week" that ]the Obama administration is open to modifying Miranda protections to deal with the "threats that we now face."

"The [Miranda] system we have in place has proven to be effective," Holder told host Jake Tapper. "I think we also want to look and determine whether we have the necessary flexibility -- whether we have a system that deals with situations that agents now confront. ... We're now dealing with international terrorism. ... I think we have to give serious consideration to at least modifying that public-safety exception [to the Miranda protections]. And that's one of the things that I think we're going to be reaching out to Congress, to come up with a proposal that is both constitutional, but that is also relevant to our times and the threats that we now face."

America's system of Miranda rights developed out of a 1966 Supreme Court ruling which found that the Fifth Amendment and Sixth Amendment rights of an alleged rapist and kidnapper, Ernesto Arturo Miranda, had been violated during his arrest and trial (Miranda was later retried and convicted).

The Court ruled that before being interrogated, a person in custody must (among other things) "be clearly informed that he or she has the right to remain silent, and that anything the person says will be used against that person in court," and that they "must be clearly informed that he or she has the right to consult with an attorney and to have that attorney present during questioning."

Holder, who was making his first appearance on a Sunday morning news show, also declared that the Pakistani Taliban was behind the attempted bombing of Times Square by Faisal Shahzad last week.

"We've now developed evidence that shows that the Pakistani Taliban was behind the attack," Holder said. "We know that they helped facilitate it. We know that they probably helped finance it. And that he was working at their direction."

:argh!: :evilmad:

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"We've now developed evidence that shows that the Pakistani Taliban was behind the attack," Holder said. "We know that they helped facilitate it. We know that they probably helped finance it. And that he was working at their direction."

Quote
"We've now developed evidence that shows that the Pakistani Taliban was behind the attack,"

Quote
"We've now developed evidence

Fuck off, government people.

They should have just asked the Chicago PD.  They've been "developing evidence" since they were founded.
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 16, 2010, 09:31:04 PM
I wonder if that evidence will be shown at trial, or if its 'top secret'.
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Jasper on May 17, 2010, 02:32:56 AM
I'm 'developing evidence' in my pance right now.
Title: Re: Joe Leiberman read the Constitution very carefully before he proposed this.
Post by: Freeky on May 17, 2010, 03:22:10 AM
Quote from: Sigmatic on May 17, 2010, 02:32:56 AM
I'm 'developing evidence' in my pance right now.
:fap: