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That reads like it is two halve stories. Whatever you are trying doesn't really work.
The trick to getting people to eat healthy is the same trick you use to make yourself eat healthy. Prepare healthy food. Once you made the fried chicken and mashed potatoes would you throw it away? fuck no! You'd eat the hell out of that chicken and it will be the best thing you ate all day!
But if you made both the chicken and got out and bought chicken nuggets you would try to eat both, you may eat one before the other, or if there is someone else there you will work out some scheme to share stuff but everything will get eaten.
The only thing that happened with people preferring the twinky over the granola bars is that they picked one before the other, not instead of the other. If it took long enough, and they had no expectation that others would arrive they probably would have eaten a granola bar too.
Also, there is some evidence that we have a biological urge to amass calories when presented. So if presented with twinkies or granola, most people would go for twinkies if not asked to think about their decision.
True, some people think they taste gross, but I think there's a large enough probability to be comfortable with that assessment
I find it very amusing that anyone gives a shit about what other people are eating.
I'd go for a twinkie over a honey and oat granola bar anytime. Because I hate honey and oat granola bars. Make it a fruit and nut or hell even a peanut butter one and then I'd choose the granola.
I'm amused at the idea that pre-packaged granola bars are somehow more nutritional and healthier than twinkies. Because it may be barely technically true, but they're still utter junk.
That said, I totally agree that what people eat is important to society as a whole and not just to the individual doing the eating.
My thing is, why eat EITHER one, when I have something like 64 cuisines within a 20 minute drive?
Twinkie vs vindaloo. No question.
Granola bar vs shishkabob. DUH.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 12, 2014, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2014, 07:47:27 PM
My thing is, why eat EITHER one
I explained earlier, but it's because I work with men and women who are down and out trying to come up. So the food we get is donated to us from various networks of charities. Trust me, most of these citizens are simply happy to have a breakfast today.
That said if you can get any Indian places to donate dosa or poha for the morning I'm sure people would love it. Oh, who are we kidding they would STILL chose the twinkies.
So, wait. You're getting upset because destitute people eat sweet food when they have a choice?
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 12, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
I spend a certain amount of hours a week really putting honest time in with these citizens trying to improve their lives. The problem is, they have made and continue to make all the wrong choices.
I think I see the problem.
:popcorn:
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 12, 2014, 07:35:51 PM
That said, I totally agree that what people eat is important to society as a whole and not just to the individual doing the eating.
Please elaborate.
Do I really need to point out the tangible societal costs of poor nutrition?
Really?
This new guy seems pretty alright, why is almost everyone lining up to shit on his perfectly reasonable post about being frustrated that people seem to choose the lower-nutrition options every time?
I mean, I know we have frustrations and need adversaries to take them out on, but isn't that what Facebook is for?
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 13, 2014, 03:39:46 AM
This new guy seems pretty alright, why is almost everyone lining up to shit on his perfectly reasonable post about being frustrated that people seem to choose the lower-nutrition options every time?
I think it's because people are tired of people being preachy, don't see the issue and/or just feel like tearing things up. It seems to happen a lot around here.
Personally, I can see why there's frustration.
Food tends to show what a person deems valuable. For example, twinkies here are being chosen over granola because the group values the sweet taste of "comfort food" over the future benefits of actually taking care of their health. Either that or it's crappy granola (compare the boxes some time- some granola bars are about as bad as twinkies) and/or people don't want to be singled out for not being one of the cool kids by eating the granola, but I digress.
Anyway, the reasons behind ignoring future health issues for quick satisfaction can vary wildly and some of them can be very frustrating when you're trying to encourage people to better themselves. A couple common ones I have encountered from people who don't care for themselves is "Who cares- I'll be old by the time this makes me miserable", "I don't plan on living long enough to have this make me miserable" or "I don't care because the government is paying for my healthcare." If its an image issue, these people put looking cool over their health. None of these are things that sound like a person invested in bettering themselves. Considering Scilon Agent is trying to get these people to better themselves, I can sort of see why there's frustration at the least.
Either way I'd offer things that aren't granola bars and check the boxes before buying. Seriously- some granola SUCKS all around and there is a weird stigma about eating granola in some circles. Maybe offer dried inexpensive cereal and paper cups, little boxes of raisins or something like that instead?
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 13, 2014, 03:39:46 AM
This new guy seems pretty alright, why is almost everyone lining up to shit on his perfectly reasonable post about being frustrated that people seem to choose the lower-nutrition options every time?
I was going to point out my track record on this, but I am not really on my game these days and thus in my own opinion, my accuracy is in question...So I'll just say that I find him arrogant, which offends my meek and mild nature to no fucking end. Why, if he had HALF the humility I have, he wouldn't have a problem
anywhere. I could loan him some; I have "humble" leaking out of every orifice.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 12, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2014, 08:20:53 PM
So, wait. You're getting upset because destitute people eat sweet food when they have a choice?
I hadn't explored it that deeply actually. What it is is this;
I spend a certain amount of hours a week really putting honest time in with these citizens trying to improve their lives. The problem is, they have made and continue to make all the wrong choices. Consistently. Sometimes it does come down to a choice as small as breakfast.
Obviously I can't fault them too hard, I am the one providing the shit after all. I am the shit supplier, the shit dealer if you will.
Wow it sounds like they're adults who can make their own decisions about what they eat. Having a healthy diet is important, but if they want to eat a twinkie every now and then, then let them eat the fucking twinkie.
Quote from: ThatGreenGentleman on March 13, 2014, 04:58:14 AM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 12, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2014, 08:20:53 PM
So, wait. You're getting upset because destitute people eat sweet food when they have a choice?
I hadn't explored it that deeply actually. What it is is this;
I spend a certain amount of hours a week really putting honest time in with these citizens trying to improve their lives. The problem is, they have made and continue to make all the wrong choices. Consistently. Sometimes it does come down to a choice as small as breakfast.
Obviously I can't fault them too hard, I am the one providing the shit after all. I am the shit supplier, the shit dealer if you will.
Wow it sounds like they're adults who can make their own decisions about what they eat. Having a healthy diet is important, but if they want to eat a twinkie every now and then, then let them eat the fucking twinkie.
A thought: They make 'bad' nutritional choices because they are too stressed out about other (money) issues to worry about such trivial stuff.
Wasn't there a link around here about that subject?
Quote from: :regret: on March 13, 2014, 11:20:31 AM
Quote from: ThatGreenGentleman on March 13, 2014, 04:58:14 AM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 12, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2014, 08:20:53 PM
So, wait. You're getting upset because destitute people eat sweet food when they have a choice?
I hadn't explored it that deeply actually. What it is is this;
I spend a certain amount of hours a week really putting honest time in with these citizens trying to improve their lives. The problem is, they have made and continue to make all the wrong choices. Consistently. Sometimes it does come down to a choice as small as breakfast.
Obviously I can't fault them too hard, I am the one providing the shit after all. I am the shit supplier, the shit dealer if you will.
Wow it sounds like they're adults who can make their own decisions about what they eat. Having a healthy diet is important, but if they want to eat a twinkie every now and then, then let them eat the fucking twinkie.
A thought: They make 'bad' nutritional choices because they are too stressed out about other (money) issues to worry about such trivial stuff.
Wasn't there a link around here about that subject?
What got me giggling was the OP being frustrated because he already MADE all the good choices for them, but they kept doing it wrong.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 13, 2014, 12:49:34 PM
Quote from: :regret: on March 13, 2014, 11:20:31 AM
Quote from: ThatGreenGentleman on March 13, 2014, 04:58:14 AM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 12, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2014, 08:20:53 PM
So, wait. You're getting upset because destitute people eat sweet food when they have a choice?
I hadn't explored it that deeply actually. What it is is this;
I spend a certain amount of hours a week really putting honest time in with these citizens trying to improve their lives. The problem is, they have made and continue to make all the wrong choices. Consistently. Sometimes it does come down to a choice as small as breakfast.
Obviously I can't fault them too hard, I am the one providing the shit after all. I am the shit supplier, the shit dealer if you will.
Wow it sounds like they're adults who can make their own decisions about what they eat. Having a healthy diet is important, but if they want to eat a twinkie every now and then, then let them eat the fucking twinkie.
A thought: They make 'bad' nutritional choices because they are too stressed out about other (money) issues to worry about such trivial stuff.
Wasn't there a link around here about that subject?
What got me giggling was the OP being frustrated because he already MADE all the good choices for them, but they kept doing it wrong.
I was trying to ignore that. :argh!:
Quote from: :regret: on March 13, 2014, 01:05:07 PM
I was trying to ignore that. :argh!:
Well, you know. "Holy Man™".
On the one hand: real social and personal costs of malnutrition.
On the other hand: freedom without the freedom to do bad/irresponsible things is pointless.
Suggestion: education and freedom of choice, where informed consent is possible.
Strangely enough, this is the position that, in theory, care in the UK is meant to work under. In practice, of course, it doesn't always work out that way, but in theory. So, for example, you cannot stop people from smoking. Not even if they have lung cancer. You have areas where they cannot smoke, for health and safety reasons and to prevent them bothering other people, you can tell them about how smoking is impacting on their health, but you cannot, at any point, take the cigarettes off them like you would a naughty child.
Of course it's frustrating seeing people make the wrong choices. I saw it every day I was a housemaster (point of clarification: my students were 16+, and so technically adults under UK law). Oh, you chose to stay up late at night, to watch movies instead of study, and to never attend class. Well, that you're failing now is tough luck. I can't make you attend the classes you should. I can wake you up in the morning, give you copies of the school rota, provide quiet spaces for study, contact teachers with queries about homework and so on, but ultimately, the choice is on you. You have to actually go, actually do your work, actually attend the classes on your schedule.
I think that's the only reasonable way to treat an adult. Anything else gets into some serious slippery slopes.
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 13, 2014, 12:07:05 AM
Do I really need to point out the tangible societal costs of poor nutrition?
Really?
I live in Canada, so no. I pay for everyone's stupid choices, constantly. And they can damn well pay for mine too.
And, what Cain said.
Quote from: Cain on March 13, 2014, 01:31:48 PM
On the one hand: real social and personal costs of malnutrition.
On the other hand: freedom without the freedom to do bad/irresponsible things is pointless.
Suggestion: education and freedom of choice, where informed consent is possible.
Strangely enough, this is the position that, in theory, care in the UK is meant to work under. In practice, of course, it doesn't always work out that way, but in theory. So, for example, you cannot stop people from smoking. Not even if they have lung cancer. You have areas where they cannot smoke, for health and safety reasons and to prevent them bothering other people, you can tell them about how smoking is impacting on their health, but you cannot, at any point, take the cigarettes off them like you would a naughty child.
Of course it's frustrating seeing people make the wrong choices. I saw it every day I was a housemaster (point of clarification: my students were 16+, and so technically adults under UK law). Oh, you chose to stay up late at night, to watch movies instead of study, and to never attend class. Well, that you're failing now is tough luck. I can't make you attend the classes you should. I can wake you up in the morning, give you copies of the school rota, provide quiet spaces for study, contact teachers with queries about homework and so on, but ultimately, the choice is on you. You have to actually go, actually do your work, actually attend the classes on your schedule.
I think that's the only reasonable way to treat an adult. Anything else gets into some serious slippery slopes.
Of course, one of the core questions in public health is "Why do people make the decisions they do, and how can we encourage them to make better ones?"
Yeah. It's the only reasonable way to proceed. Any other majorly different approach is either irresponsible, or smacks of nanny-statism (which is a form of irresponsibility in its own right).
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 13, 2014, 04:07:27 PM
Of course, one of the core questions in public health is "Why do people make the decisions they do, and how can we encourage them to make better ones?"
Sure. But making them FOR people and then getting mad because the cats won't corral is a different matter entirely.
It's also worth mentioning that people who have fallen off the bottom rung may not consider this sort of thing to be important enough to think about, in the grand scheme of their lives.
Quote from: Cain on March 13, 2014, 04:08:37 PM
Yeah. It's the only reasonable way to proceed. Any other majorly different approach is either irresponsible, or smacks of nanny-statism (which is a form of irresponsibility in its own right).
Bump, because I just accidentally buried this at the bottom of last page (simulantaneous posting).
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 13, 2014, 04:09:40 PM
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 13, 2014, 04:07:27 PM
Of course, one of the core questions in public health is "Why do people make the decisions they do, and how can we encourage them to make better ones?"
Sure. But making them FOR people and then getting mad because the cats won't corral is a different matter entirely.
It's also worth mentioning that people who have fallen off the bottom rung may not consider this sort of thing to be important enough to think about, in the grand scheme of their lives.
It's just incredibly hypocritical, considering the vast numbers of posts on this board by regular posters complaining about human behavior.
This guy seems fine and has been trying to participate, but it seems like there just aren't enough asswipes lining up to be shat on so we can all feel superior, so he got nominated for stand-in.
I'm just about done with Peedee myself.
You know, so am I.
TGRR,
Fucking whipping boy at large.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 13, 2014, 04:22:27 PM
You know, so am I.
TGRR,
Fucking whipping boy at large.
You and almost everybody else who posted in this thread. But if you want to feel like it's all about you, feel free.
God forbid someone have a dissenting opinion, or maybe be hoping for something other than a pigeonholing hate-fest every once in a while.
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 13, 2014, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 13, 2014, 04:22:27 PM
You know, so am I.
TGRR,
Fucking whipping boy at large.
You and almost everybody else who posted in this thread. But if you want to feel like it's all about you, feel free.
I don't care if it's all about me. I don't care who else you feel like shitting on. I'm more concerned with the shit that's hitting me.
I have enough on my plate.
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 13, 2014, 04:24:29 PM
God forbid someone have a dissenting opinion, or maybe be hoping for something other than a pigeonholing hate-fest every once in a while.
No, I think that targeting priorities may be different, Nigel.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 13, 2014, 04:26:00 PM
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 13, 2014, 04:24:29 PM
God forbid someone have a dissenting opinion, or maybe be hoping for something other than a pigeonholing hate-fest every once in a while.
No, I think that targeting priorities may be different, Nigel.
In other words, you're cool because you shit mostly on new people, but I'm not cool because I criticized you, and that's the same as shitting on you.
Gotcha.
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 13, 2014, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 13, 2014, 04:26:00 PM
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 13, 2014, 04:24:29 PM
God forbid someone have a dissenting opinion, or maybe be hoping for something other than a pigeonholing hate-fest every once in a while.
No, I think that targeting priorities may be different, Nigel.
In other words, you're cool because you shit mostly on new people, but I'm not cool because I criticized you, and that's the same as shitting on you.
Gotcha.
I have to go for a while.
Mostly, I just don't find the board fun or funny anymore. Maybe it's just me. I think that almost anyone who joins is likely to fairly quickly turn hostile because of the way we typically treat newcomers, and it's sort of turning into the same mentality as the Cellar, where everyone brown-noses the regulars or they're placed in some category or other of fucktard.
I don't want to spend my time in an environment like that.
Quote from: Hoopla on March 13, 2014, 03:04:50 PM
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 13, 2014, 12:07:05 AM
Do I really need to point out the tangible societal costs of poor nutrition?
Really?
I live in Canada, so no. I pay for everyone's stupid choices, constantly. And they can damn well pay for mine too.
I don't believe I ever said otherwise. That doesn't mean that there aren't real tangible costs of such behavior or that we shouldn't try to find ways to minimize those costs.
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 13, 2014, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on March 13, 2014, 03:04:50 PM
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 13, 2014, 12:07:05 AM
Do I really need to point out the tangible societal costs of poor nutrition?
Really?
I live in Canada, so no. I pay for everyone's stupid choices, constantly. And they can damn well pay for mine too.
I don't believe I ever said otherwise. That doesn't mean that there aren't real tangible costs of such behavior or that we shouldn't try to find ways to minimize those costs.
Well, true. I was in a bad mood yesterday, I'm sorry for acting like a crank. And it was not intended to be a personal attack on the OP, just me being a shit. Carry on.
Quote from: Hoopla on March 13, 2014, 05:13:10 PM
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 13, 2014, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on March 13, 2014, 03:04:50 PM
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 13, 2014, 12:07:05 AM
Do I really need to point out the tangible societal costs of poor nutrition?
Really?
I live in Canada, so no. I pay for everyone's stupid choices, constantly. And they can damn well pay for mine too.
I don't believe I ever said otherwise. That doesn't mean that there aren't real tangible costs of such behavior or that we shouldn't try to find ways to minimize those costs.
Well, true. I was in a bad mood yesterday, I'm sorry for acting like a crank. And it was not intended to be a personal attack on the OP, just me being a shit. Carry on.
Attacking the idea is just like being Lumberjim. You know who else did that? HITLER, that's who!
For what it's worth, I didn't really see anyone attacking the poster of the OP. I saw people questioning the idea... isn't that what PD is supposed to be all about?
Quote from: Hoopla on March 13, 2014, 05:41:14 PM
For what it's worth, I didn't really see anyone attacking the poster of the OP. I saw people questioning the idea... isn't that what PD is supposed to be all about?
I always thought so.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 13, 2014, 05:38:10 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on March 13, 2014, 05:13:10 PM
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 13, 2014, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on March 13, 2014, 03:04:50 PM
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 13, 2014, 12:07:05 AM
Do I really need to point out the tangible societal costs of poor nutrition?
Really?
I live in Canada, so no. I pay for everyone's stupid choices, constantly. And they can damn well pay for mine too.
I don't believe I ever said otherwise. That doesn't mean that there aren't real tangible costs of such behavior or that we shouldn't try to find ways to minimize those costs.
Well, true. I was in a bad mood yesterday, I'm sorry for acting like a crank. And it was not intended to be a personal attack on the OP, just me being a shit. Carry on.
Attacking the idea is just like being Lumberjim. You know who else did that? HITLER, that's who!
That's a huge stretch. I don't know why you feel the need to demonize and extremize anyone who disagrees with something you do, but I am going to let you know that while I'm not angry, I also won't entertain it.
And it isn't just this thread. It's the "everyone who isn't ONE OF US is a SHITHEAD" culture the board seems to have. Maybe it's always had it. I don't even care. But one thing I'm pretty much completely over is spending time somewhere people are unremittingly angry, bitter, and negative. I used to love PD because while it was also those things, it was also FUNNY. Now most of the time when I visit it, it just makes me feel bad. It's become a punishment center for everyone's failures and disappointments. Including mine.
No one might not like hearing it, but it IS becoming a butt-sniffing circle-jerk here these days. New guy doesn't participate EXACTLY RIGHT? He's RUINED EVERYTHING. It's partly just a function of the board being smaller and less active, but there isn't enough other, fun activity for the unrelenting negativity to filter out into the category of background noise; now, everybody doing it wrong all the time, all the anger and disappointment and bitterness and boredom and hostility and demonizing and othering is fast approaching becoming the defining characteristic of the board.
I really don't have space for that in my life, it's exhausting. So I spend less and less time on the board. I often pop in and if it looks like a bunch of teeth-grinding I just leave and find somewhere else to spend my time.
I am guessing, from the way you have responded so far in this thread, that you will probably accuse me of using you as your whipping-boy AGAIN. Which I am pretty much completely sick of being accused of, in the same way I don't think it's at all OK that Alty decided that if people fail to understand him when he's making sweeping statements of judgement they aren't really his friends and they think he's a piece of shit etc etc. It's not rational, it's not right, and it's not FAIR to other people to demonize them like that.
I don't want to stop being friends but I want you to stop blowing things out of all proportion and trying to make me feel like a piece of shit every time I disagree with you or ask you to consider changing your behavior. I don't like it, it doesn't feel good. It feels crappy and unfair.
That said, I want to clarify: this is NOT some kind of gigantic, friendship-ending catastrophe, unless you want it to be one. This is a fairly trivial disagreement between friends about message board etiquette. I hope you will keep that in perspective.
Not done reading the thread yet, and I'm doing crappy phone web tonight so it might be awhile, but has anyone stopped to consider that they might be picking the twinkies because they're SOFT? Low income people aren't known for being able to afford dental. Jesus fuck. Did you bother to ASK any of them why they picked the twinkies before deciding "those people" always make "poor choices"? And what the fuck is healthy about granola bars? They're as crappy as the twinkies.
Not saying that to hate-fest on new guy, BTW. The whole thing just struck me as incredibly unfair. Maybe if the alternative to the twinkies was grapes or something, they'd still pick the crap, then you could say they made a poor choice. But so do all the obese people in new cars cramming their faces with fast food and chickenfried steak. It's not a poor people thing.
I really dont care, but ill just say this:
1. Make 2 possible options.
2. Make both of them options bad.
3. Complain about people choosing one of the bad options.
4. Indignation.
Quote from: The Johnny on March 14, 2014, 07:07:25 AM
I really dont care, but ill just say this:
1. Make 2 possible options.
2. Make both of them options bad.
3. Complain about people choosing one of the bad options.
4. Indignation.
WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH DEMOCRACY? ARE YOU A MOTHERFUCKEN COMMIE TERRORIST OR SOMETHING?? :argh!:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 14, 2014, 09:21:00 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on March 14, 2014, 07:07:25 AM
I really dont care, but ill just say this:
1. Make 2 possible options.
2. Make both of them options bad.
3. Complain about people choosing one of the bad options.
4. Indignation.
WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH DEMOCRACY? ARE YOU A MOTHERFUCKEN COMMIE TERRORIST OR SOMETHING?? :argh!:
In this particular scenario im more for a "benevolent food dictatorship" propositionist :fnord:
I mean since already we "determined" adults cannot be trusted with making good decisions, its what naturally follows of course.
Honestly Nigel I don't think anyone was shitting on the poster, I really think this perspective is in you and you should consider how you came to that conclusion. I say that as one who learned a lot from you in the past year, and I really think you're seeing something here in this particular case which doesn't exist.
Mind you, I'm not saying PD isn't too hard on n00bs... just not on THIS particular one. Seems to me this has been a pretty good case of attacking the idea and not the person behind it.
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 14, 2014, 02:47:59 AM
That said, I want to clarify: this is NOT some kind of gigantic, friendship-ending catastrophe, unless you want it to be one. This is a fairly trivial disagreement between friends about message board etiquette. I hope you will keep that in perspective.
Oh, sure. It's just that:
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 13, 2014, 04:31:55 PM
and it's sort of turning into the same mentality as the Cellar,
Was a shot below the belt. It was intended to do harm.
Quote from: The Johnny on March 14, 2014, 07:07:25 AM
I really dont care, but ill just say this:
1. Make 2 possible options.
2. Make both of them options bad.
3. Complain about people choosing one of the bad options.
4. PD.
FTFY. :lulz:
I'm just gonna leave the noobs alone entirely until they say something I'm interested in (I mean, aside from "hi, new guy!"). Otherwise, I don't want to hear about it unless there's admin issues involved.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2014, 01:15:56 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on March 14, 2014, 07:07:25 AM
I really dont care, but ill just say this:
1. Make 2 possible options.
2. Make both of them options bad.
3. Complain about people choosing one of the bad options.
4. PD.
FTFY. :lulz:
I'm just gonna leave the noobs alone entirely until they say something I'm interested in (I mean, aside from "hi, new guy!"). Otherwise, I don't want to hear about it unless there's admin issues involved.
Sound policy. I tend to apply it across the board, to noobs, regulars and occasional posters alike
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 14, 2014, 02:33:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2014, 01:15:56 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on March 14, 2014, 07:07:25 AM
I really dont care, but ill just say this:
1. Make 2 possible options.
2. Make both of them options bad.
3. Complain about people choosing one of the bad options.
4. PD.
FTFY. :lulz:
I'm just gonna leave the noobs alone entirely until they say something I'm interested in (I mean, aside from "hi, new guy!"). Otherwise, I don't want to hear about it unless there's admin issues involved.
Sound policy. I tend to apply it across the board, to noobs, regulars and occasional posters alike
I don't see too many options, here. The regulars, not so much. They're really why I'm here. The noobs can sort themselves out. And if that means we turn into TDS, who cares? Not me.
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 14, 2014, 02:40:28 AM
I am guessing, from the way you have responded so far in this thread, that you will probably accuse me of using you as your whipping-boy AGAIN. Which I am pretty much completely sick of being accused of, in the same way I don't think it's at all OK that Alty decided that if people fail to understand him when he's making sweeping statements of judgement they aren't really his friends and they think he's a piece of shit etc etc. It's not rational, it's not right, and it's not FAIR to other people to demonize them like that.
I don't want to stop being friends but I want you to stop blowing things out of all proportion and trying to make me feel like a piece of shit every time I disagree with you or ask you to consider changing your behavior. I don't like it, it doesn't feel good. It feels crappy and unfair.
So does being compared to Lumberjim/The Cellar. That feels crappy and unfair as hell, especially for the crime of attacking an idea.
It was totally uncalled for. At PD's worst, that is not a fair comparison. It was a fucking horrible thing to say, but now somehow it's my responsibility? No, no it isn't. Nor is it a "trivial event", nor is the constant mention of our "continuing friendship", which at no point had I mentioned was at stake, at least in my eyes. Whether or not it is in your eyes is up to you.
It's the best comparison I could come up with. It feels to me like the direction the board is going in. Of course, I'm not a catastrophist who makes the absolute worst of everyone all the fucking time, so I wouldn't typify it as "being compared to Lumberjim" (you just made that bit up out of whole cloth) nor did I say "It's JUST LIKE the Cellar".
But you know, if you need this retard drama bullshit to fuel your hatred of the world at large and your sense that everyone's an enemy, go to town. I want none of it. I see you demonizing and categorizing EVERYONE who has fallen from your graces, everyone who doesn't post on the board anymore, and anyone who doesn't post often enough to keep you entertained. It's really only a matter of time before the sprayhose of your bottomless wrath and hatred covers every single person who considers you a friend with shit over some trivial disagreement, which is exactly what you're doing with me now.
You're sick, I get that. But you know what? I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. I have enough on my plate. More than enough, without some tetchy fucker who goes ballistic if people are critical of the culture on his favorite INTERNET BULLETIN BOARD.
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 14, 2014, 03:26:01 PM
It's really only a matter of time before the sprayhose of your bottomless wrath and hatred covers every single person who considers you a friend with shit over some trivial disagreement, which is exactly what you're doing with me now.
Um.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2014, 02:42:48 PM
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 14, 2014, 02:40:28 AM
I am guessing, from the way you have responded so far in this thread, that you will probably accuse me of using you as your whipping-boy AGAIN. Which I am pretty much completely sick of being accused of, in the same way I don't think it's at all OK that Alty decided that if people fail to understand him when he's making sweeping statements of judgement they aren't really his friends and they think he's a piece of shit etc etc. It's not rational, it's not right, and it's not FAIR to other people to demonize them like that.
I don't want to stop being friends but I want you to stop blowing things out of all proportion and trying to make me feel like a piece of shit every time I disagree with you or ask you to consider changing your behavior. I don't like it, it doesn't feel good. It feels crappy and unfair.
So does being compared to Lumberjim/The Cellar. That feels crappy and unfair as hell, especially for the crime of attacking an idea.
It was totally uncalled for. At PD's worst, that is not a fair comparison. It was a fucking horrible thing to say, but now somehow it's my responsibility? No, no it isn't. Nor is it a "trivial event", nor is the constant mention of our "continuing friendship", which at no point had I mentioned was at stake, at least in my eyes. Whether or not it is in your eyes is up to you.
And guess what? NOBODY SAID IT WAS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. THAT PART'S ENTIRELY IN YOUR HEAD.
:hosrie:
Jesus fuck.
I have one last thing to say, in response to your "whipping boy" accusation. That is not, in any way, an appropriate thing to accuse a friend of multiple times. I have said it before, I am a forgiving person. But accuse me of making me your whipping boy THREE times, and I'm pretty sure you aren't, in fact, very friendly at all.
ECH knows his shit when it comes to food, I trust him completely in that arena... and he did admit that they were technically more nutritious, though only marginally so. I never commented on whether one was more nutritious than the other, but if I had the choice between a Twinkie, which I know has a "cream filling" made entirely out of oil... or a granola bar which tastes like insulating material... I'd likely choose the Twinkie. And, furthermore, you would have no idea what I ate for the rest of the day.
I tend to not eat Twinkies, but I don't really eat granola either. Your observations are not science... not yet.
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 14, 2014, 03:26:01 PM
It's the best comparison I could come up with. It feels to me like the direction the board is going in.
Nope, not really. I've been on this board since 2005, and there was never a meaner darker period that I've witnessed than 2006. Everyone was at everyone else's throats and it was a very toxic yet exciting time on this board. Ever since then, this forum has been getting progressively more polite. I'm sure a lot of the old timers can back me up that this wasn't just my perception...
Now mind you, I would argue that the creative peak was somewhere around 2010... but that's a matter for another thread.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 03:42:54 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on March 14, 2014, 03:37:19 PM
Your observations are not science... not yet.
I can agree with all of this. I will conduct an experiment. Monday I am going to put out no twinkies, but an equal amount of a different flavored granola bar instead. I will report results.
I am interested in the results. You should likely do another with all junk food, as a control.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 03:31:37 PM
Flame wars in 2014 are like dance-offs in Sci-fi movies, they look awkward for all concerned.
Also, the granola bar is healthier than the twinkie. I understand that some of you are too lazy to look it up and spout facts, rather wishing to speak based on your feelings, but any cursory search of the nutritional comparison shows that the Granola bar is the superior choice.
hey Spanky, way to ignore the fact that several of us agreed with most of what you were saying and cherry pick a piece of mostly irrelevant information to focus on.
Your granola bars, unless you made them yourself from scratch, were nothing more than candy bars marketed to hippies. Slightly more nutritionally valid than twinkies, but only slightly. And certainly not something that would be considered a healthy choice by anybody who knows about food.
Quote from: Hoopla on March 14, 2014, 03:43:54 PM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 03:42:54 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on March 14, 2014, 03:37:19 PM
Your observations are not science... not yet.
I can agree with all of this. I will conduct an experiment. Monday I am going to put out no twinkies, but an equal amount of a different flavored granola bar instead. I will report results.
I am interested in the results. You should likely do another with all junk food, as a control.
He's already doing that. He should try doing one with actual food.
Scilon, do not fucking report user's posts unless a violation of what few rules we have has occurred. Someone responding to me angrily is not such a violation.
Report closed.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 03:49:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2014, 03:46:16 PM
Scilon, do not fucking report user's posts unless a violation of what few rules we have has occurred. Someone responding to me angrily is not such a violation.
Report closed.
I think I'll do what I feel like doin' actually. Yeah. That's what's going to happen.
Okay.
This one's a keeper!
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 03:49:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2014, 03:46:16 PM
Scilon, do not fucking report user's posts unless a violation of what few rules we have has occurred. Someone responding to me angrily is not such a violation.
Report closed.
I think I'll do what I feel like doin' actually. Yeah. That's what's going to happen.
People can and do routinely misuse the report feature, but as social FOX PASS go it probably wasn't the best,.
As a moderator team we don't like having to DO anything.
Why does no one ever report some good news that they feel we need to see.
That's a good idea, actually.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 03:59:48 PM
>This ones a keeper
I'll turn it around. For the info of the board, today I put out equal numbers of granola bars and twinkies. It was early, right when I got in. I went to another staff members office for an important meeting tm and all of the twinkies were gone.
Yes, really. Every single twinkie gone. No one was in the room, so one individual came in and snagged them all. I love humans!
You do realize that Harold Ramis recently died, right? It might have been out of tribute to him.
Just saying.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:02:03 PM
I get that. I considered it a private message to the mod team. My goal was to just have the post removed as it has nothing at all to do with food, shit, or the consuming of creme filling :argh!:
We have a thread that details what is private (PMs) and what isn't (Everything else), as well as what the rules are and how they are enforced.
If you want a thread split to get the extraneous posts out, just say so, and include the post numbers, etc.
In this case, I suggest you route said request to Faust or Cain.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:04:14 PM
I hadn't considered that Hoopla. I'll put up a small shrine on the bulletin board and advertise a service of mourning. If anyone attends I will then begin taking detailed notes in search of my illusive shit burglar.
I will then demand that he or she consume a whole two boxes as rapidly as possible.
Or, at the very least, one giant twinkie thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:08:50 PM
Oh I can't be bothered with all of that, but thanks for the lesson on etiquette you sick tetchy fucker who makes the absolute worst of everyone all the fucking time time! 8)
I
am a sick tetchy fucker. This is documented fact.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:10:39 PM
I get that. But you know what? I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. I have enough on my plate. More than enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this supposed to be amusing? I mean, taking a lady who's so stressed out that she can't see straight, and then reporting her and mocking her?
Honestly curious, here.
I thought you wanted this thread to remain on topic??
(http://connellydale.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/twinkie.jpg)
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2014, 04:12:10 PM
Is this supposed to be amusing? I mean, taking a lady who's so stressed out that she can't see straight, and then reporting her and mocking her? Honestly curious, here.
White Knight activated! Go-Go-Gadget Girls can act anyway they want in public and always have an apologist!
Ride, Lancelot, ride that noble steed.
Actually, she's been a close friend of mine since 2006/2007, and even when we've been pissed at each other, we've had each other's back. I don't see this as any exception.
But you've certainly made your views & motives known, anyway.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2014, 04:12:10 PM
Is this supposed to be amusing? I mean, taking a lady who's so stressed out that she can't see straight, and then reporting her and mocking her? Honestly curious, here.
White Knight activated! Go-Go-Gadget Girls can act anyway they want in public and always have an apologist!
Ride, Lancelot, ride that noble steed.
Ah. I see. You're being a jerk on purpose. Not quite hyperbole, more like sarcastic mockery.
Honest curiosity: why would you behave that way?
This one's cute.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 14, 2014, 04:23:14 PM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2014, 04:12:10 PM
Is this supposed to be amusing? I mean, taking a lady who's so stressed out that she can't see straight, and then reporting her and mocking her? Honestly curious, here.
White Knight activated! Go-Go-Gadget Girls can act anyway they want in public and always have an apologist!
Ride, Lancelot, ride that noble steed.
Ah. I see. You're being a jerk on purpose. Not quite hyperbole, more like sarcastic mockery.
Honest curiosity: why would you behave that way?
You know, LMNO, I'll see you in Boston in a few days. This New Improved PD™ isn't turning me on.
Quote from: Hoopla on March 14, 2014, 04:24:28 PM
This one's cute.
Meh, I have a plane to catch. See you spags on the flip side.
Moderator reports are not private. The only private function here is the PM function. That is clearly spelled out in the 6 rules thread.
Heh. Welcome to PD.
Just for clarification, what is posted publicly is what people will respond to. That is how you appear to everyone. It was you, apparently, who took a public swipe at someone regarding a report most people didn't know about. You want to keep things private, don't bring it to a public forum.
Then request it of the posters, not the mod team.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:30:24 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2014, 04:27:42 PM
Moderator reports are not private. The only private function here is the PM function. That is clearly spelled out in the 6 rules thread.
Can you address any part of my posts wherein I am a human being with feelings expressing anything right? I thought, it being my thread, that I was well within my rights to request less abusive cursing and anger.
I don't want to see it, others don't want to see it. If I'm wrong for requesting that then something has malfunctioned.
Roger already explained that you can ask for a thread split in cases like that.
But that is how it appeared. Perception is reality, didn't you hear?
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:32:10 PM
LMNO no, that's not what happened.
Now please excuse me, I have evul legions to attend to, a cape to pick up from the dry-cleaners and a new henchman to name. I am thinking about Buzzsaw because he has whirling blades instead of eyebrows.
Isn't that sort of like naming a black cat "Blacky"?
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:33:50 PM
LMNO, if you actually took the time to read what happened I wouldn't have to go through this. I understand I am new, hence always wrong no matter what fnord.
You should probably keep that agenda more hidden under your trenchcoat.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:33:50 PM
I get that. But it WAS a mod that was involved in the flame war occurring in my thread about eating shit. It WAS a mod that the other user was so basely dressing down.
Why would Roger being a mod have anything to do with anything?
Where did this asswombat come from?
For the record, that wasn't a flame war. Not even close. At least for PDs standards.
No matter. Point stands: at PD, it's much more effective to address the poster rather than the mods.
ALRIGHT WHO'S THE ASSHOLE THAT'S REPORTING POSTS??
/
:cramulus:
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:43:09 PM
Hoopla, what agenda is that?
The continuing search for like minded miscreants trying to jail break the BIP? The glance to see if the people who come here are actually Discordians and not random jaded yuppies on a forum?
Yeah, that one.
for a moment, pretend that I don't know anything about metallurgy, engineering, or physics, and just tell me what the hell is going on.
/
(http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsM/12582-7176.gif)
oh my god if I get another e-mail about this thread I swear to god
ALRIGHT I'LL READ THE FIRST PAGE OF THE GODDAMN THREAD
Okay here's the thing ---
it seems like you were setting up for an impulse based choice. In impulse based choices, short term rewards tend to trump long term. So the tastiness of the twinkie eclipses the granola's conceptual baggage.
If you asked people to pick out their foods for the next week, I bet they'd choose granola over twinkie. Ask them what they want to eat in this moment, it's gonna be junkfood, not asparagus.
ALSO
there is a sublime quality to the worst foods ever
My personal vice is truck stop cheese danishes. I'm pretty sure those things came out of a nozzle and were put directly into a cellophane wrapper and never touched oxygen. But they are basically the perfect food. By trying to simulate an actual danish, they produced something (much like artificial cherry flavor) which was basically an intensification of a normal food's qualities. You end up with this "hyperreal" food product which I think tastes better than a hand made one.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:46:10 PM
ALL RIGHT I WON'T REPORT ANY MORE POSTS YOU WRETCHED ASS CLOWNS
That's not going to stop the handful of other people now reporting
Scilon thinks I posted because I'm trying to get brownie points with you guys and not because he's actually disgusting. And he considers granola bars a healthy choice for the purposes of his experiment that "proves" poor people are too stupid to make good decisions (and surely need people like HIM to decide FOR them), and he tattles on Nigel like a little bitch. It's almost like RWHN never left. Nixon-San will be very pleased.
I'm just gonna leave this here, and then back up out of this thread for good:
(http://www.velosterturbo.org/forum/attachments/veloster-appearance/16200d1386699514-redline-tuning-quicklift-gb-info-fishhooked.jpg)
oh are we done with the conversation part? ah well, I tried
though I SUPPOSE coming in on page 8 and refusing to read the rest of the thread past page 1 is a recipe for being out of sync
You make a good point, Cram.
Actually, there were a lot of posts initially about why a person might choose the twinkie over the granola, and also why the "experiment" seemed to have valid flaws, as far as expreiments go.
Then there were a lot of other sorts of posts.
ehh yeah I guess I came into to a food fight and everybody's hucking grapefruits left and right and here I am throwing gushers
Alright PD, I brought snacks for everybody, here are your choices:
some twinkies that I've jammed full of multivitamins
or
a bag of popcorn with a hole in the bottom and my *slide whistle* sticking through
DON'T MAKE AN IMPULSIVE DECISION
THROW SOME EXTRA BUTTER IN THE POPCORN, AND LET'S GET TO IT!
you don't chew twinkies either -- you just open your jaw real wide and slide it directly into your stomach
We find out why Cram was so popular in high school, ITT.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2014, 03:54:37 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on March 14, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
This one's a keeper!
It's the board we demanded!
It is exactly the board we demanded.
What do YOU do with a board where you go on and try to participate, and the whole fucking place is instantly an asshole to you for no apparent reason? It's really easy to goad people into just fucking giving up and trolling and then quitting and never coming back. And then you can say SEE I WAS RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME.
At this point, I am pretty sure there's nothing I can say that won't be reinterpreted into something monstrous and unforgivable, so fuck it.
This is not the environment I'm looking for. I am interested in spending my online time having conversations, not reading fiction and yelling at new people for not being good enough. Just to be clear I like fiction, and I appreciate and applaud everyone's creative endeavors, but that isn't why I'm here. It isn't what I interact with people for. I interact with people for conversations.
I am not here to be dehumanized with words like "using me as your whipping boy", or accused of comparing you to Lumberjim when I suggested that the culture here is in danger of going in the direction the Cellar did, stagnant and self-congratulatory and FUNCTIONALLY DEAD, unable to accept new perspectives. Basically, as soon as that started, my disagreement was shut down and dismissed, because to continue would be to make me a BAD PERSON accusing you, personally, of BAD THINGS. I don't like being shut down and dehumanized like that. It's not OK with me.
And the new guy flipping out and reporting posts, whether he just decided to troll or was here to troll all along, doesn't make it OK or justified, either.
So now I need to take some time and decide whether I want to continue to visit this forum, and continue to try to contribute to it what I want to see in a forum, or whether I should just give up and walk away. Because I really don't have a lot of space for bullshit in my life. Maybe if I still had tons of money and a full-time assistant and was bored and angry at my life, which is where I was when I showed up here, I would be perfectly happy with the negativity and the othering and the categorizing and the dumping, but that's not where I am now. I'm a lot less angry, and a lot more stressed in other ways.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 03:49:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2014, 03:46:16 PM
Scilon, do not fucking report user's posts unless a violation of what few rules we have has occurred. Someone responding to me angrily is not such a violation.
Report closed.
I think I'll do what I feel like doin' actually. Yeah. That's what's going to happen.
If you want every single person here to think you're probably just a dickhead who has no intention of honoring the social customs of the place in which they find themselves, by all means do that.
This is my board. I'm not telling you to do or not do anything, but I am asking you very nicely to please not report users' posts unless they violate one of the very few rules we have (no porn, spam, blatant copyright infringement, other things that could get me or Faust in trouble). It's a really dickish thing to do.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 03:59:48 PM
>This ones a keeper
I'll turn it around. For the info of the board, today I put out equal numbers of granola bars and twinkies. It was early, right when I got in. I went to another staff members office for an important meeting tm and all of the twinkies were gone.
Yes, really. Every single twinkie gone. No one was in the room, so one individual came in and snagged them all. I love humans!
Maybe some health activist is secretly throwing them away.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:02:03 PM
but as social FOX PASS go it probably wasn't the best,.
Quote
I get that. I considered it a private message to the mod team. My goal was to just have the post removed as it has nothing at all to do with food, shit, or the consuming of creme filling :argh!:
FYI you can request a thread split to have everything not related to your OP removed to another thread.
I'd probably do it, if I were you.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:10:39 PM
I get that. But you know what? I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. I have enough on my plate. More than enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is cute, he's trying to gain social acceptance by snarking on the underdog. :lol:
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 04:30:24 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2014, 04:27:42 PM
Moderator reports are not private. The only private function here is the PM function. That is clearly spelled out in the 6 rules thread.
Can you address any part of my posts wherein I am a human being with feelings expressing anything right? I thought, it being my thread, that I was well within my rights to request less abusive cursing and anger.
I don't want to see it, others don't want to see it. If I'm wrong for requesting that then something has malfunctioned.
You're kind of a prissy little twat, aren't you? :lulz:
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 07:06:51 PM
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 14, 2014, 07:02:21 PM
You're kind of a prissy little twat, aren't you? :lulz:
No, you're the twat. I'm the Dick. There are three types of people in this world sweetheart. Twats, Dicks and Assholes. Now Twats don't like dicks, because Twats get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Twats may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a twat to show them that. But sometimes, twats can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because twats are an inch and half away from ass holes.
In this thread, you were such an asshole I had to become a massive Dick.
Copypasta? Really?
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 14, 2014, 06:49:26 PM
This is not the environment I'm looking for. I am interested in spending my online time having conversations,
I hope you don't mind if i only respond to this bit, I do it in the spirit of positivity and constructive interaction.
I am going to put on my '
everybody is a good person, no exceptions.' hat for a while on this board.
I wonder how long i can keep it up.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 03:42:54 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on March 14, 2014, 03:37:19 PM
Your observations are not science... not yet.
I can agree with all of this. I will conduct an experiment. Monday I am going to put out no twinkies, but an equal amount of a different flavored granola bar instead. I will report results.
This is a good plan! Keep trying out different things to put out, and I especially like that you are doing science without expending any resources other than what you already have. That is frugal science. The science that anybody can do, it is my favourite kind.
Have formed an hypothesis?
What are your expectations?
Do you have plans for future variations and if not, would you mind detailing your resources so we can help you think?
I don't usually go along with this sort of thinking but at this point it might be reasonable to assume that this guy has an agenda and was just trolling from the get-go.
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 14, 2014, 07:08:05 PM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 07:06:51 PM
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 14, 2014, 07:02:21 PM
You're kind of a prissy little twat, aren't you? :lulz:
No, you're the twat. I'm the Dick. There are three types of people in this world sweetheart. Twats, Dicks and Assholes. Now Twats don't like dicks, because Twats get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Twats may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a twat to show them that. But sometimes, twats can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because twats are an inch and half away from ass holes.
In this thread, you were such an asshole I had to become a massive Dick.
Copypasta? Really?
To be fair, that copypasta was a more interesting read than your response, succinct and to the point though it may have been.
1 You managed to state your opinion of copypasta
2, you expressed your emotional stance towards him
3 while engaging in mild mockery without being either too offensive or too friendly. And you are doing this while re-establishing yourself as a funny, intelligent and often reasonable member of this society.
1Is that a good sentence? I'm not entirely sure.
2negative
3mild disdain
P.S. I think I am out of practice with positivity.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 07:21:56 PM
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 14, 2014, 07:17:35 PM
I don't usually go along with this sort of thinking but at this point it might be reasonable to assume that this guy has an agenda and was just trolling from the get-go.
Another deep thinker weighs in....
Your trolling effort to response ratio is quite good, would you mind sharing some techniques?
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 14, 2014, 07:17:35 PM
I don't usually go along with this sort of thinking but at this point it might be reasonable to assume that this guy has an agenda and was just trolling from the get-go.
That does seem likely.
I don't, actually, care about him at all. He's just another new guy who may or may not be a troll.
But what do I know? I hear I'm so stressed out that I'm not thinking straight, and my so-called "opinions" are merely low blows intended to do harm, apparently.
:lol:
Quote from: Nobody understands birds on March 14, 2014, 07:38:01 PM
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 14, 2014, 07:17:35 PM
I don't usually go along with this sort of thinking but at this point it might be reasonable to assume that this guy has an agenda and was just trolling from the get-go.
That does seem likely.
I don't, actually, care about him at all. He's just another new guy who may or may not be a troll.
Yeah, I think I've done all I can to help him understand why he's getting the reactions he's getting. He must want it like that, and I don't have time for crap like that.
New guy turns up on board
New guy posts some rant about shit that just pissed him off
Board responds by disagreeing with new guys position, boards counter position hinging primarily on a sniping little bitchfest about who did what with who's maxipad
New guy resorts to trolling
Because...?
Seriously - put yourself in new guy's position :kingmeh:
Quote from: Nigel on March 14, 2014, 07:39:52 PM
But what do I know? I hear I'm so stressed out that I'm not thinking straight, and my so-called "opinions" are merely low blows intended to do harm, apparently.
:lol:
GAME POINT
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 15, 2014, 07:53:45 AM
New guy turns up on board
New guy posts some rant about shit that just pissed him off
Board responds by disagreeing with new guys position, boards counter position hinging primarily on a sniping little bitchfest about who did what with who's maxipad
New guy resorts to trolling
Because...?
Seriously - put yourself in new guy's position :kingmeh:
Yeah, that's fair. I couldn't blame him when you put it that way.
New guy, you basically just accidentally decided to be the new guy right in the middle of some family drama. If you can bring yourself to ignore that for awhile and check out the rest of the place you will probably get a much better sense of whether or not this place has something interesting or attractive for you.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 15, 2014, 07:53:45 AM
New guy turns up on board
New guy posts some rant about shit that just pissed him off
Board responds by disagreeing with new guys position, boards counter position hinging primarily on a sniping little bitchfest about who did what with who's maxipad
New guy resorts to trolling
Because...?
Seriously - put yourself in new guy's position :kingmeh:
New guy proceeds to be a complete dick, in a different thread, to people who hadn't done anything to him.
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2013/08/how-poverty-taxes-brain/6716/
Quote"All the data shows it isn't about poor people, it's about people who happen to be in poverty. All the data suggests it is not the person, it's the context they're inhabiting."
Seems like a classic case of the Fundamental Attribution Error (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error) as well.
Quote from: Pergamos on March 15, 2014, 09:59:58 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 15, 2014, 07:53:45 AM
New guy turns up on board
New guy posts some rant about shit that just pissed him off
Board responds by disagreeing with new guys position, boards counter position hinging primarily on a sniping little bitchfest about who did what with who's maxipad
New guy resorts to trolling
Because...?
Seriously - put yourself in new guy's position :kingmeh:
New guy proceeds to be a complete dick, in a different thread, to people who hadn't done anything to him.
He was probably pissed off and behaving irrationally.
Or, maybe he's a complete dick and it just took him a couple days to get around to showing it. Who knows.
Quote from: Net on March 15, 2014, 10:19:57 PM
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2013/08/how-poverty-taxes-brain/6716/
Quote"All the data shows it isn't about poor people, it's about people who happen to be in poverty. All the data suggests it is not the person, it's the context they're inhabiting."
Seems like a classic case of the Fundamental Attribution Error (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error) as well.
I didn't see a part where he attributed their poverty to poor decision-making skills. Did I miss it? I actually don't remember anything in his posts attributing a cause to their choice of the more-unhealthy food.
Quote from: Nigel on March 15, 2014, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: Net on March 15, 2014, 10:19:57 PM
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2013/08/how-poverty-taxes-brain/6716/
Quote"All the data shows it isn't about poor people, it's about people who happen to be in poverty. All the data suggests it is not the person, it's the context they're inhabiting."
Seems like a classic case of the Fundamental Attribution Error (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error) as well.
I didn't see a part where he attributed their poverty to poor decision-making skills. Did I miss it? I actually don't remember anything in his posts attributing a cause to their choice of the more-unhealthy food.
He's stated that these people make "all the wrong choices...consistently," and (as far as I observed) didn't connect their snack decision to their context.
Bold emphasis added:
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 12, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2014, 08:20:53 PM
So, wait. You're getting upset because destitute people eat sweet food when they have a choice?
I hadn't explored it that deeply actually. What it is is this;
I spend a certain amount of hours a week really putting honest time in with these citizens trying to improve their lives. The problem is, they have made and continue to make all the wrong choices. Consistently. Sometimes it does come down to a choice as small as breakfast.
Obviously I can't fault them too hard, I am the one providing the shit after all. I am the shit supplier, the shit dealer if you will.
Quote from: Net on March 15, 2014, 10:39:54 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 15, 2014, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: Net on March 15, 2014, 10:19:57 PM
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2013/08/how-poverty-taxes-brain/6716/
Quote"All the data shows it isn't about poor people, it's about people who happen to be in poverty. All the data suggests it is not the person, it's the context they're inhabiting."
Seems like a classic case of the Fundamental Attribution Error (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error) as well.
I didn't see a part where he attributed their poverty to poor decision-making skills. Did I miss it? I actually don't remember anything in his posts attributing a cause to their choice of the more-unhealthy food.
He's stated that these people make "all the wrong choices...consistently," and (as far as I observed) didn't connect their snack decision to their context.
Bold emphasis added:
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 12, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2014, 08:20:53 PM
So, wait. You're getting upset because destitute people eat sweet food when they have a choice?
I hadn't explored it that deeply actually. What it is is this;
I spend a certain amount of hours a week really putting honest time in with these citizens trying to improve their lives. The problem is, they have made and continue to make all the wrong choices. Consistently. Sometimes it does come down to a choice as small as breakfast.
Obviously I can't fault them too hard, I am the one providing the shit after all. I am the shit supplier, the shit dealer if you will.
Yes, I saw that. What I didn't see was anywhere he attributed their poverty to their making all the wrong choices. I mean, it's not a completely unfair extrapolation given the context, but it's an extrapolation nonetheless... which, ironically, means that you may yourself be making a fundamental attribution error by assuming that was what he was thinking when he made the comment about wrong choices.
People who are in poverty do, indeed, tend to make terrible decisions over and over and over again. It can be really frustrating. There are reasons behind it that are typically not "you're poor because you make the wrong choices", but it is frustrating nonetheless.
In the guy's initial story, he related how the popularity of the Twinkies reminded him of his friend, who prefers chicken McNuggets over real homemade fried chicken. My thought was that comparison pulled the first anecdote (in which he said nothing about people being poor, that only came out when people started mocking him about putting out junk food in the first place) out of the territory of "Those People"ing.
In fact, the gist I got was that he was deploring the fact that the demand for crap food is exactly what fuels the manufacture and sale of more crap food. Give the people what they want, right?
There's no denying that the guy's behavior after that was shit... albeit, somewhat amusing shit. But as far as I can tell there was nothing in his OP or even his attempts to clarify that indicates that he wants to shove the poor into work camps or anything that called for the response he got.
It's not like he suggested something totally asinine, like reverse money, or anything. :lol:
Quote from: Nigel on March 15, 2014, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: Net on March 15, 2014, 10:39:54 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 15, 2014, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: Net on March 15, 2014, 10:19:57 PM
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2013/08/how-poverty-taxes-brain/6716/
Quote"All the data shows it isn't about poor people, it's about people who happen to be in poverty. All the data suggests it is not the person, it's the context they're inhabiting."
Seems like a classic case of the Fundamental Attribution Error (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error) as well.
I didn't see a part where he attributed their poverty to poor decision-making skills. Did I miss it? I actually don't remember anything in his posts attributing a cause to their choice of the more-unhealthy food.
He's stated that these people make "all the wrong choices...consistently," and (as far as I observed) didn't connect their snack decision to their context.
Bold emphasis added:
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 12, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2014, 08:20:53 PM
So, wait. You're getting upset because destitute people eat sweet food when they have a choice?
I hadn't explored it that deeply actually. What it is is this;
I spend a certain amount of hours a week really putting honest time in with these citizens trying to improve their lives. The problem is, they have made and continue to make all the wrong choices. Consistently. Sometimes it does come down to a choice as small as breakfast.
Obviously I can't fault them too hard, I am the one providing the shit after all. I am the shit supplier, the shit dealer if you will.
Yes, I saw that. What I didn't see was anywhere he attributed their poverty to their making all the wrong choices. I mean, it's not a completely unfair extrapolation given the context, but it's an extrapolation nonetheless... which, ironically, means that you may yourself be making a fundamental attribution error by assuming that was what he was thinking when he made the comment about wrong choices.
I'll be the first to admit that I make the FAE all the time. It's something we have to continually be aware of, so there's a good chance I'm guilty of it myself here.
From what I've seen out of Scilon in this thread, he's focused on judging the decisions of people in poverty as chronically bad (a dispositional attribution, IMO) without taking their incredibly stressful living situations into account.
I'd say he's put undue emphasis on these people's character by focusing on judging their decisions and only remotely acknowledging their circumstances. Scilon only glanced at how he set up this particular choice, there is no comment about how living in poverty may or may not influence the quality of one's decision-making.
I don't know enough Scilon to make character judgements about him and wanted to find out what he thought about the research I posted and whether or not he thinks it applies to his example. He seems like a reasonably intelligent poster that doesn't take himself too seriously, but again, too little information for me to go off of. I hope he sticks around.
Quote from: Pergamos on March 15, 2014, 09:59:58 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 15, 2014, 07:53:45 AM
New guy turns up on board
New guy posts some rant about shit that just pissed him off
Board responds by disagreeing with new guys position, boards counter position hinging primarily on a sniping little bitchfest about who did what with who's maxipad
New guy resorts to trolling
Because...?
Seriously - put yourself in new guy's position :kingmeh:
New guy proceeds to be a complete dick, in a different thread, to people who hadn't done anything to him.
I don't care. My friends dumped me at the moment I got to make actual decisons.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2014, 08:51:03 PM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 12, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
I spend a certain amount of hours a week really putting honest time in with these citizens trying to improve their lives. The problem is, they have made and continue to make all the wrong choices.
I think I see the problem.
+1 Internets
What drama happened three months ago on PD?