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NIGEL, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?

Started by Pæs, April 09, 2014, 11:51:12 PM

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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After the galtcoin, I think more than a few people are seeing cryptocurrencies as a way to try and establish some sort of additional legitimacy. And make a quick buck.

This could actually be the start of a development of literal social currency. You're a goth? Not without at least 1 GOTHCOIN.
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And so the reputation economy begins. Bye bye capitalism, the last great bastion of 20c. From here on in, it's going kickstarter and facebook likes!

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Junkenstein

Reputation economy has a nice ring to it. We already live in a world where more people trust celebrities than scientists and where your past group memberships can haunt you 30+ years later. More than a few companies have tried a version of Blizzards "Real I.D" linking your actual real life personage with game accounts. For the exact reason of reputation, amazingly enough.

There are possible up-sides, such as scientists being able to endorse other scientists for example but for the vast majority of people, making your personal information this accessible is probably unwise.
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Reginald Ret

Quote from: Junkenstein on April 10, 2014, 01:05:20 PM
Reputation economy has a nice ring to it. We already live in a world where more people trust celebrities than scientists and where your past group memberships can haunt you 30+ years later. More than a few companies have tried a version of Blizzards "Real I.D" linking your actual real life personage with game accounts. For the exact reason of reputation, amazingly enough.

There are possible up-sides, such as scientists being able to endorse other scientists for example but for the vast majority of people, making your personal information this accessible is probably unwise.
Your lack of faith in the privacyprotection inherent to the reputation economy is disturbing. Consider yourself downvoted.
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Don't you see that unscrupulous characters that steal data would get downvoted alot? Especially if wikileaks catches them.
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Quote from: Junkenstein on April 10, 2014, 01:05:20 PM
Reputation economy has a nice ring to it. We already live in a world where more people trust celebrities than scientists and where your past group memberships can haunt you 30+ years later. More than a few companies have tried a version of Blizzards "Real I.D" linking your actual real life personage with game accounts. For the exact reason of reputation, amazingly enough.

There are possible up-sides, such as scientists being able to endorse other scientists for example but for the vast majority of people, making your personal information this accessible is probably unwise.

I've been looking at various post-scarcity models and reputation seems pretty feasible, once you detangle all those - money is an actual real thing - memes you've grown up with.

The penny didn't really drop for me til I looked at Kickstarter in that context. Strikes me that one site is already perverting the capitalist model in this direction. I'm guessing it'd end up kind of democratising economics

I posted this on another site. Sort of explains my thinking so far (still very woolly)

QuoteI have a very vague, fuzzy, impression of where I think this is going but what I do see suggests that it would work best if currency and digital democracy became a new hybrid organism, akin to likes on facebook. Say you could invest 1 like in as many ventures as you wanted, with the ability to unlike for whatever reason at any point in the future.

I think for big stuff this would work if we could apportion available resources by human headcount. eg – the rights to all the platinum mass available was (in theory) divided equally amongst everyone. This would mean that I held title to x-pounds of platinum.

So some projects come up that require y-amount of platinum. We "invest" our platinum rights by liking the projects that require it. If these projects become feasible (enough likes) we can then determine, how much platinum is required, and then divide that by the number of likes and remove that from the accumulated pot.

Whilst I realise that the management of this quickly becomes inconceivably complex, nowadays we have Amazon or Google for managing inconceivably complex datasets so I'm confident the implementation is possible.

I think the main thing that stands in the way right now is this concept of "profit" which neutralises resources. All those diamonds in the vaults of de-beer's doing nothing useful. This is a throwback to competing for resources. This really needs to change. It got us where we are but now it's holding us back.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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Junkenstein

Vaugely related:
http://index.rpg.net/display-entry.phtml?mainid=13545

I've heard many positive things about this, and it seems to consider exactly what we're discussing as part of it's mechanics.

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P3nT4gR4m

Haha, yeah. They've been reading some of the same scifi as I have. Can't remember where but attaboys and frownies was mentioned somewhere. Look for "down and out in the magic kingdom" by Cory Doctorow

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

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Just to clarify, I am Nigel and I think all of this is fucking stupid. If you choose to recognize Nigelcoin, that's on you.
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Quote from: Nigel on April 11, 2014, 05:42:12 AM
Just to clarify, I am Nigel and I think all of this is fucking stupid. If you choose to recognize Nigelcoin, that's on you.

See?  A crook wouldn't say that.  I'M IN!
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 11, 2014, 01:46:01 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 11, 2014, 05:42:12 AM
Just to clarify, I am Nigel and I think all of this is fucking stupid. If you choose to recognize Nigelcoin, that's on you.

See?  A crook wouldn't say that.  I'M IN!

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"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."