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That's an interesting and we'll reasoned response. If it wasn't directed to the intellectual equivalent of a grape it might have done some good.

I agree. I don't know why I bothered. But I'm pretty fucking serious myself, so maybe it's some creepy feeling of distant kinship, like baboons must feel when they look at dogs in Greece.

So, this is an example of what I sometimes worry I look like.

See, I take all of this /very/ seriously. Deathly seriously, even. I do the research and put in the work and make sure I'm doing the /right thing/. I worry about ethics and morality more on a given day than the vast, vast majority of humans who have (who will EVER) live have in their entire lives. I worry, I get anxious, I stress, I drive myself /fucking batty/. Seriously.

And then I cackle like a methed up hooligan and start throwing rocks at cars because by fucking god if I don't do something stupid I'll be this nosy self-absorbed cunt over here, telling other people about my ethical conclusions and leaning on them to DO THE RIGHT THING OR ELSE THEY'RE FUCKING AWFUL. That shit? That's just another part of Them. That's the part of Them that They've automated, put in gear. The part They normally don't need to say out loud because pompous fuckmissiles will do it for Them and They can avoid direct blame. It's the part beaten into the heads of kids who do not, can not know any better -- not so they'll learn now but so they'll fall in with the jackboots when the Great Headstomp comes around.

Mithridates, you have missed the entire point of Discordia. Discordia has no room for people who can't dress up for the disco (yeah, the dead one) and no room for people who can't laugh themselves bloodshot and shitting themselves over all this fucking INJUSTICE. You have become the very Greyface the Principia Discordia warned about. There's a traditional response to it, but I just woke up and haven't really slept enough and you really just are not worth it. It's easier to give you a reply in as close to your language as I can manage and hope, potentially, you get the sudden urge to fuck off -- or maybe to laugh a little before you become one of Them.

Or Kill Me / Re: You're not conscious
« on: April 25, 2017, 07:20:44 am »
I'm intrigued by all kinds of consciousness, and I'm not convinced that "mindfulness" is an appropriate measuring stick for it. It isn't particularly useful to define "levels" (or gradiations, or whatever) of consciousness as becoming more true or real or appropriate as they approach greater proximity to the "here and now". A lollygagging daydream that steals whole minutes or hours from one's memory or perception of the immediate moment or environment isn't evidence that consciousness itself is waning to anyone except maybe an outside observer. It seems better to approach the fitness of one's state of mind in terms of how useful that state is to one's chosen objective: Mindfulness is probably a good idea when interacting with other people or studying psychology or the environment. It may be less useful or even wholly inappropriate for other pursuits, as in artistic or creative work.

I'm also going to say I find reductive materialism so incredibly, mercilessly dull that it is its own excuse for intentionally believing preposterous woo just to escape it.

RE: the bolded, I get that. But this isn't particularly boring materialism to me -- it's actually super useful.

When I was thinking on his question and what the answer was, somehow I hadn't fully gotten that there's no magical wall separating the decision-making apparatus from the stimulus-response rule. When I got that: boom. I had the key to the solutions of multiple parts of my broad-scope mental health issues sitting right in front of me. I won't be neurotypical, but I can at least, over time, adapt myself to be able to interact with the modern world in a broadly "normal" way. That's extremely liberating.

I guess it's kind of like woo that's real and actually works -- instead of the power of positive thinking, it's the power of psychological conditioning.

Or Kill Me / Re: You're not conscious
« on: April 25, 2017, 05:24:33 am »
If you constantly reflect and force awareness of a specific area of your mind (Trigger a specific neural network) when exposed to a specific consciousness alarm (Or unusual stimulus), you can cause that reflection to happen automatically, almost in the background. In other words, you can automate that reflection/analysis so that you don't necessarily have to be conscious for it. The subconscious can take over that particular mental activity in the future.

This is something they deal with later in the gurdjieff work. There's this idea of an "instinctive center", our habit engine. I think Gurdjieff and Ouspensky describe ways to hack it... the goal is to build shocks, mindfulness, into your habits.

The exercise I'm doing this week is to be mindful every time I open a door.

I haven't succeeded even once so far lol

the comparison between lucid dreaming "reality checks" and developing a habit of consciousness is apt

Okay, so I just don't get the lucid dreaming thing.  Maybe I'm a light sleeper, running on some kind of deficit, I don't know. When I think about analysis, as taking-apart, the discursive process requires discerning separate determinations. How is it logically possible to perform this operation subconsciously, without a ground of recognition that is nescesary for reason to operate?

I don't know enough to answer this in detail, but I know enough to say that this is true:

The "seat of reasoning", the executive function bit of the brain, is not a soul. It is not magical, special or even particularly different from the rest of your cranial meatloaf, and can be activated by stimuli the same way that anything else (memories, phantom sensations, you name it) can be. It's ~3 pounds of meat and chemicals and electricity, not a tiny man in a control center.

« on: April 22, 2017, 01:41:11 am »
Well you can't half-ass this sort of thing. You know this is truly a once in a life-time opportunity, I can read it in your pixels.

TO THE WALL, as you say. Make them either regret handing you the keys to boundless power or grateful it didn't go quite as horribly awry as it /could/ have. Or both, in alternating churns of the stomach, like they ate a sandwich that got left outside at high noon in your corner of hell and now their abdominal wall is the only thing between it and FREEDOM.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: April 16, 2017, 06:10:11 pm »
I suspect if we do see military action here by the US, it will be some kind of limited (ish) strike, to try and destroy their currently existing weapons and infrastructure to create them.  Then the work would be to find out who is helping them develop this program (almost certainly Pakistan and Burma.  I'm calling it now) and prevent them from supplying them with replacement parts.

But who the fuck knows what Trump is thinking at any given moment.  Not even Trump, I suspect.

Good call on Burma. I don't understand Pakistan, but understand if you can't go into further detail there.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: April 15, 2017, 10:54:33 pm »
So the annual NK sabre rattling is going to be even funnier than usual then?

Last night my feed was full of North Korea and arms control specialists going "ohhhh FUCK".  Not paraphrased.

So it's going to be quite possibly /very/ /very/ funny, for radioactive values of "funny".

Aneristic Illusions / Re: The #AltWoke Manifesto
« on: April 13, 2017, 09:13:32 pm »
This looks like a promising tool for rehabilitating /pol spags who haven't gone full nazi yet, or are willing to consider stepping back from full nazi.

The youth-right opposition to *false* political correctness (saying the right thing because it's what you're supposed to, not because you believe it) is a useful foothold that this seems to be planting itself in. They don't wanna be tumblrinas, but they also don't think they hate black people/immigrants/queer folk/whatever. A movement that allows them to say "I hate the falseness of the narrative around inclusivity, not inclusivity itself" and keeps pulling them away from the direction of full nazi could be the kind of stepping stone we need.

This is a good point.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: The #AltWoke Manifesto
« on: April 13, 2017, 09:10:23 pm »
I will state for the record I have read zero Nick Land, and I can only make it like 40 words deep into any neoreaction writing before my eyeball starts to twitch and all of the sudden I'm doing something else

It's a protective reaction, like fever, bitter taste, or that crawling feeling you get in the aftermath of a frothing, roiling Orange Eating Contest dump violently evacuating your sinuses. It's warning you that down that road leads your own demise.

I've read his trash and it's /for your own good/. There's nothing worth saving in there, and these folks would be better off if they just took a chainsaw to the bits that have his name smeared on them in moldy dog feces.

That said, if you're going to force yourself to steal from Nick Land, I don't think it's possible to do a better job than they did here (short of writing a sequel to the only good thing he ever wrote, Phyl-Undhu).

Aneristic Illusions / Re: The #AltWoke Manifesto
« on: April 13, 2017, 08:11:12 pm »
Put down the diluted Nick Land and back away from the keyboard.

This was precisely my initial response to reading it, but as I kept going I realized that despite that knee-jerk reaction I had, it wasn't all trash. Most importantly I didn't have an ongoing, guts-churning visceral feeling of disgust as I got over the initial "Oh it's this guy's filth" feeling, but other important differences exist as well. Take, for instance, the criticism after the half-way point of Land's NRx movement -- which is about as true as it gets for the size of it, and they aren't actively being hypocritical and advocating the same garbage Land's current band of loonies are cooing about either.

It's admittedly far from perfect, and quite possibly even a more problematic thing as presented than the current situation being left alone is. But I think there /is/ enough good in it for what amounts to (as TWJ noted) essentially a first draft of a "post-truth Left". I think that's something which is very important to have, as the left wing (at least in the USA) has been a toothless spineless punching bag for what seems like my entire life.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: April 12, 2017, 02:39:58 pm »
*eta: Does this mean there are now a couple of dozen top secret missile guidance systems currently just lying around in the syrian desert?

Presumably they're only classified so that people won't know how bad they are.

We actually know quite a bit about their guidance systems. They can't go very far off course (due to their GPS receiver), and the newest Block 4s "phone home" with their coordinates so that if they're deviating and don't realize, they can be corrected by humans. There's even facility for mission abort in the new ones, IIRC.

And for reference:

They're very good. That's why this whole shitshow /stinks/. There's no way in hell that that many Tomahawk missiles get launched and less than half of them land on target. That requires unprecedented mass munitions failure or purposeful malevolence.

Or Kill Me / Re: I am a cabbage
« on: April 10, 2017, 08:14:00 pm »

Gee, now I am horrified of katana swords.  :sad:

Don't worry Jester of Fools, never forget
Swords don't kill people; people kill people  :)

This is blatantly false. Trip Fisk knows better, and I trust a man with hair like that:

Aneristic Illusions / Re: The Dollop - The Thread
« on: April 09, 2017, 01:49:38 am »
Is someone who makes necropants...a necropantscer?
You have been issued an RWHN penalty notice. Payment of the fine can be made online or at your local post office. Ignoring this fine will result in a visit from RWHN and all the horror that entails.

And no, it's just your standard sorcerer.

That's uncalled for.

No one deserves /another/ drug thread.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: April 07, 2017, 07:56:10 pm »
Good point about Syria being informed. Implies any gear/people there were of no/low value to them and left as a sacrifice. Give it a week and we'll find out the 3/9/16 planes weren't even operational.

All reports I can find say just that: they were being repaired.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: April 07, 2017, 04:54:03 pm »
About the missile strike rate?  Or that the base was the one used in the chemical attack?

The base. The missile strike rate was confirmed primarily by photos and video showing a laughably small amount of real damage (including two areas that looked like someone tossed a hand grenade down and literally pushed the shrapnel away with a broom after the smoke cleared... the concrete was scorched and had a chip mark or two FFS) and the Russian government.

Today I learned not to be scared of american cruise missiles  :lulz:

*eta: Does this mean there are now a couple of dozen top secret missile guidance systems currently just lying around in the syrian desert?

Probably not. I'm not entirely clear on how it all works, but cruise missiles tend to have impact sensors and a failsafe detonator that will slag the (computer) hardware on impact if it has the chance (e.g. in the event of a dud missile). I don't know if that's the case for the Tomahawks though. Either way, Russian cruise missiles are better in this case, and the Tomahawks can't be misdirected or jammed or whatever due to how their guidance systems function (wholly internal) so getting the hardware gets them nothing much.

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