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Started by The Good Reverend Roger, April 30, 2013, 02:25:17 AM

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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 30, 2013, 10:27:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 30, 2013, 10:19:29 PM
I'm not sure we're better here: the public psychiatric resources available are focused on crisis management post-facto, they dont do prevention, prevention is the patient's burden; in other words, they'd gladly lock you up if you have a suicidal crisis or a manic attack for a couple of days, otherwise its out of pocket.

Here, "prevention" means we throw people in prison.  Psychologically speaking, it's non-existent for anyone other than the rich.  We don't even have proper crisis management.  Happy pills, back under your bridge, thank you for your time.

In the northeast, it's possible to get adequate preventive care if you're INSANELY proactive and covered by insurance. Of course, the mentally ill are well known for their level-headedness and excellent planning ability...  :horrormirth:

And financial well-being.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

For those of you who have no reason to know who Henry Wilson was:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Lane_Wilson

Ever wonder why every nation to our South hates our guts?  Go to the link, and then realize that he was typical for his time.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Johnny

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 10:21:52 PM
Here, "prevention" means we throw people in prison.  Psychologically speaking, it's non-existent for anyone other than the rich.  We don't even have proper crisis management.  Happy pills, back under your bridge, thank you for your time.

Consider all the school shootings and local bombings a result of a deficient mental health system. Well, maybe thats a bit of a generalization, but i think its a big chunk of the reason.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 10:21:52 PM
I think it's because the social stigma of mental illness makes it really convenient to shove those "useless eaters" under the carpet.  Out of sight, out of mind.  It's pretty horrible.

There's some initiatives to create Radio with people with psychiatric conditions, namely, Radio Colifata, Radio Podemos Volar, Radio Vilar de Voz; its very few of them, but what they attempt to do is create social presence and voice, to counteract discrimination, exclusion and stigma. I work in one of those types of initiatives and it seems to be a net positive on the patients. This is kind of the social aspects of treatment that can be done.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: The Johnny on April 30, 2013, 10:32:41 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 10:21:52 PM
Here, "prevention" means we throw people in prison.  Psychologically speaking, it's non-existent for anyone other than the rich.  We don't even have proper crisis management.  Happy pills, back under your bridge, thank you for your time.

Consider all the school shootings and local bombings a result of a deficient mental health system. Well, maybe thats a bit of a generalization, but i think its a big chunk of the reason.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 10:21:52 PM
I think it's because the social stigma of mental illness makes it really convenient to shove those "useless eaters" under the carpet.  Out of sight, out of mind.  It's pretty horrible.

There's some initiatives to create Radio with people with psychiatric conditions, namely, Radio Colifata, Radio Podemos Volar, Radio Vilar de Voz; its very few of them, but what they attempt to do is create social presence and voice, to counteract discrimination, exclusion and stigma. I work in one of those types of initiatives and it seems to be a net positive on the patients. This is kind of the social aspects of treatment that can be done.

Good on ya, Johnny.

I like it when people actually try to make things better. 
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Q. G. Pennyworth

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 10:27:43 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 30, 2013, 10:27:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 30, 2013, 10:19:29 PM
I'm not sure we're better here: the public psychiatric resources available are focused on crisis management post-facto, they dont do prevention, prevention is the patient's burden; in other words, they'd gladly lock you up if you have a suicidal crisis or a manic attack for a couple of days, otherwise its out of pocket.

Here, "prevention" means we throw people in prison.  Psychologically speaking, it's non-existent for anyone other than the rich.  We don't even have proper crisis management.  Happy pills, back under your bridge, thank you for your time.

In the northeast, it's possible to get adequate preventive care if you're INSANELY proactive and covered by insurance. Of course, the mentally ill are well known for their level-headedness and excellent planning ability...  :horrormirth:

And financial well-being.

MassHealth covers therapy as long as you have a diagnosis, and all of the practices in the area know how to navigate that shit by now. It's part of why we're all super disappointed in ObamaCare, since we were expecting something awesome like what we did and instead there's this watered down bullshit.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 30, 2013, 10:35:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 10:27:43 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 30, 2013, 10:27:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 30, 2013, 10:19:29 PM
I'm not sure we're better here: the public psychiatric resources available are focused on crisis management post-facto, they dont do prevention, prevention is the patient's burden; in other words, they'd gladly lock you up if you have a suicidal crisis or a manic attack for a couple of days, otherwise its out of pocket.

Here, "prevention" means we throw people in prison.  Psychologically speaking, it's non-existent for anyone other than the rich.  We don't even have proper crisis management.  Happy pills, back under your bridge, thank you for your time.

In the northeast, it's possible to get adequate preventive care if you're INSANELY proactive and covered by insurance. Of course, the mentally ill are well known for their level-headedness and excellent planning ability...  :horrormirth:

And financial well-being.

MassHealth covers therapy as long as you have a diagnosis, and all of the practices in the area know how to navigate that shit by now. It's part of why we're all super disappointed in ObamaCare, since we were expecting something awesome like what we did and instead there's this watered down bullshit.

It isn't watered down if you're an insurance company.

KA-CHING!
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Johnny

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 10:33:52 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 30, 2013, 10:32:41 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 10:21:52 PM
Here, "prevention" means we throw people in prison.  Psychologically speaking, it's non-existent for anyone other than the rich.  We don't even have proper crisis management.  Happy pills, back under your bridge, thank you for your time.

Consider all the school shootings and local bombings a result of a deficient mental health system. Well, maybe thats a bit of a generalization, but i think its a big chunk of the reason.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 10:21:52 PM
I think it's because the social stigma of mental illness makes it really convenient to shove those "useless eaters" under the carpet.  Out of sight, out of mind.  It's pretty horrible.

There's some initiatives to create Radio with people with psychiatric conditions, namely, Radio Colifata, Radio Podemos Volar, Radio Vilar de Voz; its very few of them, but what they attempt to do is create social presence and voice, to counteract discrimination, exclusion and stigma. I work in one of those types of initiatives and it seems to be a net positive on the patients. This is kind of the social aspects of treatment that can be done.

Good on ya, Johnny.

I like it when people actually try to make things better.

Thanks. Sometimes i get sad by seeing certain discordians, like the guy that lead to the creation of the Spanish subforums, or that Jackalope guy... their rap is basicly "i dont have an illness, i am a discordian", which resonates with a big problem that mental health patients have, which is, accepting they have a condition that needs treatment.

(Sorry if my thread etiquette is bad, running off on tangents and all)
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

East Coast Hustle

Yeah, with all the "look how CRAZY I am!" idiots who aren't actually crazy it's easy to forget that the flip side of that coin presents itself in here on occasion as well.
Rabid Colostomy Hole Jammer of the Coming Apocalypse™

The Devil is in the details; God is in the nuance.


Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

Pope Pixie Pickle

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 30, 2013, 05:07:52 PM
A non-crappy government would be one thata focused on maximum personal freedom and on providing a support structure for citizens that needed assistance.

The big disconnect is the mistaken notion that these are mutually exclusive.

Anarcho-Socialism?

Pope Pixie Pickle

Quote from: Balls Wellington on April 30, 2013, 11:19:18 PM
Yeah, with all the "look how CRAZY I am!" idiots who aren't actually crazy it's easy to forget that the flip side of that coin presents itself in here on occasion as well.

as someone who has had a serious brush with crazy, I fucking hate those assbags.

E.O.T.

Quote from: Cain on April 30, 2013, 10:25:30 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on April 30, 2013, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 30, 2013, 05:42:34 PM
I tried to do a search, but nothing definitive came up for me:


Has a viable state ever existed that did not levy taxes?

That seems impossible.  How would the government support its operations with no income?

Conquest.

THIS

         
"a good fight justifies any cause"

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Pixie on April 30, 2013, 11:46:08 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 30, 2013, 05:07:52 PM
A non-crappy government would be one thata focused on maximum personal freedom and on providing a support structure for citizens that needed assistance.

The big disconnect is the mistaken notion that these are mutually exclusive.

Anarcho-Socialism?

Nope.  Fuck the anarcho part.  You pay for government via taxes.  Government sets shit up and runs it.  Government leaves you the hell alone if you aren't hurting other people.  Not difficult.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: E.O.T. on May 01, 2013, 12:25:37 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 30, 2013, 10:25:30 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on April 30, 2013, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 30, 2013, 05:42:34 PM
I tried to do a search, but nothing definitive came up for me:


Has a viable state ever existed that did not levy taxes?

That seems impossible.  How would the government support its operations with no income?

Conquest.

THIS

         

Yep, just endless war and plundering.

Forever.

It's ALMOST as nice as Somalia!

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


E.O.T.

Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 01, 2013, 12:29:48 AM
Quote from: E.O.T. on May 01, 2013, 12:25:37 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 30, 2013, 10:25:30 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on April 30, 2013, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 30, 2013, 05:42:34 PM
I tried to do a search, but nothing definitive came up for me:


Has a viable state ever existed that did not levy taxes?

That seems impossible.  How would the government support its operations with no income?

Conquest.

THIS

         

Yep, just endless war and plundering.

Forever.

It's ALMOST as nice as Somalia!

I

          think that endless war and plundering is already fully under way, however, you and I are somehow financing it rather than being supported by it.
"a good fight justifies any cause"

Pope Pixie Pickle

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 01, 2013, 12:28:10 AM
Quote from: Pixie on April 30, 2013, 11:46:08 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 30, 2013, 05:07:52 PM
A non-crappy government would be one thata focused on maximum personal freedom and on providing a support structure for citizens that needed assistance.

The big disconnect is the mistaken notion that these are mutually exclusive.

Anarcho-Socialism?

Nope.  Fuck the anarcho part.  You pay for government via taxes.  Government sets shit up and runs it.  Government leaves you the hell alone if you aren't hurting other people.  Not difficult.

i think that is how anarcho-socialism is defined, tbh.