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Principia Discordia => Think for Yourself, Schmuck! => Topic started by: LHX on January 18, 2007, 03:58:30 AM

Title: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LHX on January 18, 2007, 03:58:30 AM
i was wondering where that n00b went

dude was here just before christmas

http://www.closertogod.net/main/thoughts/worlddetail/BlackIronPrison.html

apparently he just decided to pass swift judgement and bounce


sall good

i guess humility and discussion isnt everybodys strong suit
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Thurnez Isa on January 18, 2007, 04:00:47 AM
oh fuck i remember that guy
he was pretty proud of his webpage
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Jasper on January 18, 2007, 04:02:31 AM
I think he misses the entire point.  Too bad, really.

This stuff is too funny, I'm glad of other belief systems to write my propaganda for me.  This would be a good article to provide instruction with- as a poor example of understanding.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LHX on January 18, 2007, 04:03:36 AM
LMNO is gonna love this:

QuoteWhat I have found is that this analogy is a an unenlightened one, for it tells of failure to achieve enlightenment, and you had better not try again. It touts freedom but does not deliver. It is no truth bringer or real enlightenment, and is instead a masturbatory thought process that leads in a circle, and this ends in conformity, and bondage.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Jasper on January 18, 2007, 04:08:01 AM
I found it droll, to say the very least.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Jenne on January 18, 2007, 05:29:54 AM
Too bad he totally missed the point, except where he says that it's a place to learn (in the end bit)...and I think he meant this subforum when he said that.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on January 18, 2007, 10:13:13 AM
Someone should invite him back.  Strange he decides not to say this in debate, but put it up on his own webpage without even telling us so we can give feedback.

Who wants the pussy's email addy?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Starship, take me on January 18, 2007, 11:14:44 AM
He didn't even metion Valis.

For shame.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: hunter s.durden on January 18, 2007, 11:25:52 AM
Please link any retorts, e-mails, or otherwise here. I would be interested in seeing how you guys respond to his article.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Triple Zero on January 18, 2007, 12:05:57 PM
i like the picture on his site:
(http://www.closertogod.net/main/images/thoughts/world/BIP.jpg)
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: faust on January 18, 2007, 01:20:11 PM
QuoteBreaking down walls is a good thing, but to find that behind every wall is another, is an idea that breads contempt, inadeqacy, and selfish behaviour, it is an idea that is a trick.

Its more like a Matryoshka doll.
He believes that in his lifetime he can attain the ultimate truth and perfect way to live, we can mock, but at least he has hope.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on January 18, 2007, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 18, 2007, 04:03:36 AM
LMNO is gonna love this:

QuoteWhat I have found is that this analogy is a an unenlightened one, for it tells of failure to achieve enlightenment, and you had better not try again. It touts freedom but does not deliver. It is no truth bringer or real enlightenment, and is instead a masturbatory thought process that leads in a circle, and this ends in conformity, and bondage.

That's fucking awesome.


I gotta get in touch with this guy.  We all should.


LMNO
-mental masturbator.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on January 18, 2007, 01:26:56 PM
laz@closertogod.net
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on January 18, 2007, 01:28:32 PM
Awesome.  Thanks!


I love someone who misses the point for the metaphor.


The kid is eating the menu.


I'll be sure to x-post my letters.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on January 18, 2007, 02:16:43 PM
This is interesting.  I think I need to go back through our conversations with him. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mangrove on January 20, 2007, 11:11:57 PM
please persuade him to at least post a link to the original source material so that other people reading his site are allowed to see the text and not just his flawed summary of it.




and don't get me started on the donnie darko essay....
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2007, 07:15:03 AM
Quote from: LHX on January 18, 2007, 03:58:30 AM
i was wondering where that n00b went

dude was here just before christmas

http://www.closertogod.net/main/thoughts/worlddetail/BlackIronPrison.html

apparently he just decided to pass swift judgement and bounce


sall good

i guess humility and discussion isnt everybodys strong suit

Which particular jackass was that?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2007, 07:15:29 AM
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xvii on January 20, 2007, 11:11:57 PM
please persuade him to at least post a link to the original source material so that other people reading his site are allowed to see the text and not just his flawed summary of it.




and don't get me started on the donnie darko essay....

Please demand it.

Or I'll kick his site in the nads.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2007, 07:20:28 AM
Quote from: LMNO on January 18, 2007, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 18, 2007, 04:03:36 AM
LMNO is gonna love this:

QuoteWhat I have found is that this analogy is a an unenlightened one, for it tells of failure to achieve enlightenment, and you had better not try again. It touts freedom but does not deliver. It is no truth bringer or real enlightenment, and is instead a masturbatory thought process that leads in a circle, and this ends in conformity, and bondage.

That's fucking awesome.


I gotta get in touch with this guy.  We all should.


LMNO
-mental masturbator.

I just did.

In his guestbook, under TGGR

Best poison pen letter so far this year, and that is saying something.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on January 21, 2007, 07:33:02 AM
Can't see it yet.  Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.

Whats really funny is he claims his site is to "explore the darker side of spirituality" and then claims the BIP is too dark.

Does that mean we win?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Thurnez Isa on January 21, 2007, 03:00:20 PM
You gotta give him a chance though
he's not going to come back if he's just going to get piled on
:lol:
you guys never learn
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mangrove on January 21, 2007, 07:23:50 PM
sorry TGRR - can't see your guestbook piece either. the guestbook only has one entry in it and it's from may 06. obviously not into regular updates.

and now for something completely different:

http://www.darksites.com/

:wink:
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: faust on January 21, 2007, 07:53:30 PM
I gave him an email... no response yest and its been a few days.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on January 21, 2007, 07:59:16 PM
Well, it is still the weekend.  I know I dont answer work emails or calls on weekends.  Or it could be an LMNO type situation where he surfs, entertainment wise, only while at work during the week.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 22, 2007, 01:20:55 AM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 21, 2007, 03:00:20 PM
You gotta give him a chance though
he's not going to come back if he's just going to get piled on
:lol:
you guys never learn

I don't want him to come back.

I want to destroy his website.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 22, 2007, 01:25:28 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 21, 2007, 07:33:02 AM
Can't see it yet.  Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.

Whats really funny is he claims his site is to "explore the darker side of spirituality" and then claims the BIP is too dark.

Does that mean we win?

Naw.  His anti-Spam checker doesn't work.  Turns out he's too retarded to set up a website properly.

Which monikers did he use here?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 22, 2007, 01:26:12 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 21, 2007, 07:59:16 PM
Well, it is still the weekend.  I know I dont answer work emails or calls on weekends.  Or it could be an LMNO type situation where he surfs, entertainment wise, only while at work during the week.

I'm going to a few bondage sites and registering with his email.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on January 22, 2007, 01:30:06 AM
He was Laz on here.  Check out the "defensive personalities"( :lol: )thread for the beef.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 22, 2007, 01:31:53 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 22, 2007, 01:30:06 AM
He was Laz on here.  Check out the "defensive personalities"( :lol: )thread for the beef.

Link me?

TGRR,
Has a headache.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Thurnez Isa on January 22, 2007, 01:32:47 AM
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11151.15
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 22, 2007, 01:37:11 AM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 22, 2007, 01:32:47 AM
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11151.15

Good.  Now I feel even less bad about using his email addie in vain. :lol:
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 03, 2007, 06:24:37 PM
He was here just now.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Thurnez Isa on February 03, 2007, 06:36:40 PM
did he take off?


why does everything I love end up leaving me in the end???
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 03, 2007, 06:52:11 PM
Laz?  Dunno, maybe he's gonna write up another nasty piece with the material ITT.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mangrove on February 03, 2007, 07:00:23 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 03, 2007, 06:52:11 PM
Laz?  Dunno, maybe he's gonna write up another nasty piece with the material ITT.

should we have a sticky disclaimer here?

Dear n00b,

If you have visited the closertogod website, you may have encountered the site owner's inability to grasp the content of the BIP project....etc etc
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 03, 2007, 07:04:04 PM
Sounds like a plan.

Also, Laz didn't go, he just logged out and is still reading in here.  Anyway, if he wants to write a piece, I'm sure me, LMNO and LHX could write a rebuttal between us.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 03, 2007, 07:36:31 PM
I'd be glad to help out with that as well. 

and if Laz is still reading, you should engage, not evade. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LHX on February 03, 2007, 07:38:23 PM
maybe we just dont understand

maybe the relentlessly open-minded and forgiving approach to things is wrong


there is no room for people to develop a cult following in this structure, so it doesnt work well for people stuck with a messiah complex
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 03, 2007, 07:39:54 PM
 :lol: Don't hold back LHX, tell us what you really feel.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 03, 2007, 07:40:33 PM
perhaps someone should start serving the kool-aid. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Jasper on February 03, 2007, 07:46:56 PM
Don't drink it though, I slipped ex-lax into it.

What?!

It was a joke.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 03, 2007, 07:57:20 PM
I had a friend who actually did that once. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LHX on February 03, 2007, 07:58:29 PM
okay yall

we need to start making rules around here for REAL


rule number 1:

elect somebody to be in charge

2: everything needs to be voted on and/or agreed to by at least 6 out of 11 members


3: no observations are allowed to be made on the forum UNLESS they are whimsical and optimistic

3 b) all other observations need to be filtered thru the admin - moderator structure for review before they can be posted



somebody help me out here
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 03, 2007, 08:08:29 PM
I'm still trying to get my head around the idea that there are 11 contributing members. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LHX on February 03, 2007, 08:12:39 PM
if there arent then the first measure of business is a intensive recruiting drive

take hostages if necessary


we must uphold the black iron prison so that we can


uhh

escape it
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 03, 2007, 08:13:43 PM
We had to build a bigger and better BIP in order to free ourselves.

-The Pentagon position on the BIP>
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 03, 2007, 08:16:40 PM
Perhaps some interior decorating is in order as well.  Someone get Extreme Makeover:Home Edition on the phone.  Of course, we will need a sob story to get on, has anyone lost a limb or have some horrid, terminal disease? 

I can see it now, FIP
Fuschia Iron Prison
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LHX on February 03, 2007, 08:18:34 PM
Lavendar Bamboo Prison


sob story: attacked by emo-messiah


we need to be calmed down and up-lifted
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 03, 2007, 08:27:37 PM
Perhaps we need to find a second opinion.  Let's send a pamphlet to the New York Times. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LHX on February 03, 2007, 08:31:29 PM
mint-green-wood-trimmed-hacienda
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 03, 2007, 08:33:47 PM
and perhaps instead of The Machine and The System we can talk about The Forest and The Trees
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LHX on February 03, 2007, 08:49:04 PM
lmfao

if you want to escape the hacienda, you have to get past the forest and the trees


can we do a outer space theme too?


you want to get out of the space station, you have to make it past the gravitational field and the laser turrets?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Thurnez Isa on February 03, 2007, 08:50:57 PM
if hes just going to sit there he should post

...
at this point i would almost pay to see him and cain debate his freemasonary ideas
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 03, 2007, 08:57:02 PM
meh, I doubt we'll ever see him again.  Though, I could see him trying to come back as an alt. 
To me it speaks to his confidence in his own assessment of what we are doing.  I'm sure he knows he really doesn't stand a chance to outwit the group or to validate what he wrote with us in any manner.  The fact that he has no mechanism for contact on his website, to me, speaks volumes about his confidence in his material.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 03, 2007, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on February 03, 2007, 08:50:57 PM
if hes just going to sit there he should post

...
at this point i would almost pay to see him and cain debate his freemasonary ideas

He went off again a while back.  I think he saw my post outing his lurking first.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on February 03, 2007, 09:05:50 PM
Your admin powers are making me feel strangely erotic.  :-o
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 03, 2007, 09:11:02 PM
 :thanks:

Its not that impressive, to be honest.  I have to click the guests IP and wait for ages until it tells me what accounts have posted in that range.  Its alot quicker on phpbb.  Then again, SMF doesn't crash every 5 minutes....
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mangrove on February 03, 2007, 10:02:23 PM
i'll hold off ordering the extra popcorn for the 'freemasonry' debate.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Jasper on February 03, 2007, 10:31:56 PM
Grey Ytterbium Prison.

This philosophy is a GYP.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: B_M_W on February 03, 2007, 11:33:11 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 03, 2007, 10:31:56 PM
Grey Ytterbium Prison.

This philosophy is a GYP.

:lulz:

Witty racial slurs, ITT.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Jasper on February 04, 2007, 12:16:20 AM
That's not a slur, it means you've been had.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Benaclypse on February 04, 2007, 12:19:09 AM
We can call it Freebird Paradise, but we can't fix the world if we refuse to acknowledge its glitches.  The world is sort of a black iron prison, and it can be enlightened, but it won't simply be ignored away.  You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: B_M_W on February 04, 2007, 12:41:35 AM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 04, 2007, 12:16:20 AM
That's not a slur, it means you've been had.

Its the same thing as Jew'd.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LHX on February 04, 2007, 12:46:03 AM
Quote from: Benaclypse on February 04, 2007, 12:19:09 AM
We can call it Freebird Paradise, but we can't fix the world if we refuse to acknowledge its glitches.  The world is sort of a black iron prison, and it can be enlightened, but it won't simply be ignored away.  You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.

actually, Freebird Paradise is a pretty good name from the tongue-in-cheek angle
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 05, 2007, 01:03:25 PM
Quote from: LHX on February 03, 2007, 08:49:04 PM
lmfao

if you want to escape the hacienda, you have to get past the forest and the trees


can we do a outer space theme too?


you want to get out of the space station, you have to make it past the gravitational field and the laser turrets?



The Black Iron Gravity Well.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 05, 2007, 02:20:33 PM
Ooh, I like that one.  Though, I must insist in absolutely NO Carl Sagan references. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 05, 2007, 02:37:03 PM
Billions and Billions of BIP.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 05, 2007, 02:41:19 PM
Anyway, shall we write a rebuttal?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 05, 2007, 02:44:12 PM
I suppose we should.

Let me clean up some work off my desk, and I'll see what I can do.


BTW, what are we going to do with the rebuttal once it's written?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mangrove on February 05, 2007, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 05, 2007, 02:44:12 PM
I suppose we should.

Let me clean up some work off my desk, and I'll see what I can do.


BTW, what are we going to do with the rebuttal once it's written?

post it on his guestbook?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 05, 2007, 02:50:11 PM
LOL, etc.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 05, 2007, 02:53:13 PM
Post it here and on his guest book.  I'll also see if Hoopla will post it on his blog, as will I.  I reckon we can each write one and take the best aspects from each.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 05, 2007, 02:54:27 PM
Cool.

PS - Vengeful Testament of Eris to be recorded this evening.  Any requests as to background ambience?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 05, 2007, 03:01:04 PM
Perhaps we should have a separate thread with an open invitation for Mr. Laz to comment. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 05, 2007, 03:25:45 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 05, 2007, 02:54:27 PM
Cool.

PS - Vengeful Testament of Eris to be recorded this evening.  Any requests as to background ambience?

Anything vaguely reminiscent of the Old Testament I suppose.  I mean, thats the overall tone I tried to project with it, so something along those lines would be in keeping with that.

And another thread may be a good idea.  Someone should c+p Laz's statement and then we can pick it apart here.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 05, 2007, 03:26:55 PM
Ok.  I'll just throw on some chuch-hall reverb, and I can add to it if'n you want it.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Thurnez Isa on February 05, 2007, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 05, 2007, 02:41:19 PM
Anyway, shall we write a rebuttal?


thats so..... civil
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 05, 2007, 06:35:59 PM
I am a paragon of civilized values, and I will set on fire and and then piss on the corpse of any motherfucker who says otherwise.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 05, 2007, 06:41:25 PM
Cain, RWHN, I really like your rebuttals.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 05, 2007, 06:53:32 PM
Thanks, I hope, if he reads them, he will not only read the rebuttals but also notice the variation amongst them.  Because I think it is a great illustration of how un-rigid it is compared to how he constructed it in his mind. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 05, 2007, 06:55:15 PM
Sadly though, it really seems that his whole point is to look at other ideas through the prism of one who has found "the" "Truth" and is merley dismissing all other points of view.

A person like that is hard to convince otherwise.  Too many engrams.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mangrove on February 05, 2007, 06:59:28 PM
btw, the rebuttals are fantastic.

out of respect, i did not place mine there so the thread would not get jacked.

however, i reproduce my review of 'closertogod' below......









shit sandwich.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 05, 2007, 07:06:31 PM
Thanks guys, I've enjoyed reading the other explanations so far.  Of course, any good ideas can also be chucked over to the explanation thread too, or be built on as part of later discussion.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 05, 2007, 07:45:34 PM
And I've just transferred it to the blog.  I hope Hoopla sees it there, I got the feeling he didn't like Laz much....
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: B_M_W on February 06, 2007, 04:11:38 AM
I know it was said already multiple times, but I have to say for myself

the rebuttals in that thread are masterful. Best explanations I have seen for the BIP metaphore yet, and in multiple points of view.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 06, 2007, 07:33:12 PM
Update:  I signed his guestbook with an invitation to discuss his assessment of our efforts.  I also left my e-mail address so maybe we'll hear from Mr. Laz one way or another. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: hunter s.durden on February 06, 2007, 07:37:25 PM
I will drive up to 90 miles to fight him.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 06, 2007, 07:39:14 PM
Road trip, ITT.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 06, 2007, 07:42:00 PM
Hmm, possible movie and/or sitcom fodder as well.  Okay, probably no mass appeal.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mangrove on February 06, 2007, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 06, 2007, 07:42:00 PM
Hmm, possible movie and/or sitcom fodder as well.  Okay, probably no mass appeal.

the idea of a sitcom in which a group of internet dwellers meet up to go on a road trip to beat up someone else they met online is probably the ultimate modern sit-com.

i say you pitch this to Warners and see what happens.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 06, 2007, 08:05:35 PM
That would imply that the 'Net dwellers would have to put down the socks they were fucking and actually go out into the daylight.


so totally unbelieveable.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Jenne on February 06, 2007, 08:08:18 PM
...sounds like "Waiting for Godot II" actually.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mangrove on February 06, 2007, 08:10:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 06, 2007, 08:05:35 PM
That would imply that the 'Net dwellers would have to put down the socks they were fucking and actually go out into the daylight.


so totally unbelieveable.

most sit-coms have an element of unreality to them.

seinfeld: kramer does nothing and yet can afford to live in manhattan

friends: low paying jobs for much of the series and can afford to live in manhattan.

sex & the city: SJP writes ONE column a week and can afford to live and shop in manhattan.


Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 06, 2007, 08:14:37 PM
So, you're saying this should take place in Manhattan, then.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mangrove on February 06, 2007, 08:17:06 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 06, 2007, 08:14:37 PM
So, you're saying this should take place in Manhattan, then.

if it adds to the unreality then, yes.  :-D

of course, it'll be filmed on a backlot in california and library footage of manhattan will be intercut with the plot to make you think it's manhattan.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 06, 2007, 08:34:44 PM
Barstools Across America

Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: hunter s.durden on February 06, 2007, 08:35:47 PM
I'll write a fucking pilot.
That is actually a good idea.
I say pilot because you said show.
I imagine a one-shot.
How would it perpetuate? We drive around the country and set fire to furry temples?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 06, 2007, 08:37:20 PM
I would think the interaction between 4 or 5 discordians in person would be enough, let alone them interacting with the generic public. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 06, 2007, 08:40:13 PM
We'd never get in the car.

Every day, we'd sit in front of the computer (or, post at an internet cafe all together), posting how we're gonna get in the car & go get this guy, but we fall into squabbling, and never get around to it.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: hunter s.durden on February 06, 2007, 08:41:29 PM
I imagine it would be talk heavy, and have a zen element to it.
We fuck with people so they see their own follies.
Better living through jakes.

It's still a good show. Maybe we get in the car in like season 10.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mangrove on February 06, 2007, 08:43:20 PM
new genre: a sit com that does not have a single specific geographical location but instead, takes place over the internet.....but it's on TV.

8-)

Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 06, 2007, 08:44:17 PM
Hmm, so we'd have the cliffhanger to end season 9, "Who's going to drive the car?..."

Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mangrove on February 06, 2007, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 06, 2007, 08:44:17 PM
Hmm, so we'd have the cliffhanger to end season 9, "Who's going to drive the car?..."



i think we all know the answer to that  :wink:
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: hunter s.durden on February 06, 2007, 08:46:16 PM
So the script is already here.
We already wrote it.

end of 8; season 9 is the fight over who will drive; season 10 is like 20 miles of driving.

This will run until we all like 80.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 06, 2007, 08:46:25 PM
When we get into the car, it's a sure sign we've jumped the shark.


Oh, and another thing....


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/HIMEOBSCar.jpg)
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: hunter s.durden on February 06, 2007, 08:47:14 PM
Didn't you change your avatar the other day?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 06, 2007, 08:47:56 PM
Must've been my evil body thetans.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 06, 2007, 08:48:26 PM
So it's obvious that this show will have to be on HBO.  I mean, you can't involve HIMEOBS without profanity or disturbing visual imagery.  
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: hunter s.durden on February 06, 2007, 08:49:29 PM
i'm not sure we'd even get by standard on HBO,
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 06, 2007, 08:50:43 PM
What if Tubgirl et al, were animated?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: hunter s.durden on February 06, 2007, 08:53:49 PM
Also we'd have to choose someone for me to kill in the pilot.

I've always secretly planned on getting close to a HIMEOBS agent and torturing them until they spilled the beans.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 06, 2007, 08:55:31 PM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on February 06, 2007, 08:49:29 PM
i'm not sure we'd even get by standard on HBO,

you're right.  We add some T&A we can get it on Showtime or Cinemax. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on February 06, 2007, 08:55:45 PM
(http://www.hrvc.net/imgs/grave.jpg)

The fate of the last people to mess with HIMEOBS
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mangrove on February 06, 2007, 08:58:36 PM
perhaps the characters have heard about HIMEOBS and they're all sitting around, discussing it, trying to find a lead to make a real-world contact.

it could be the over-arching plot in the background while they do/talk about other stuff that's....uh.... funny.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on February 06, 2007, 09:02:45 PM
this is starting to sound kind of x-filish. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mangrove on February 06, 2007, 09:05:53 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 06, 2007, 09:02:45 PM
this is starting to sound kind of x-filish. 

yeah...but it's funny and uh....some of it is set in manhattan.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LHX on February 06, 2007, 09:36:28 PM
all this creativity is fun to watch
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on February 06, 2007, 11:07:50 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 06, 2007, 08:50:43 PM
What if Tubgirl et al, were animated?

I have the technology  to lipsync that thar bunghole :mrgreen:
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: hunter s.durden on February 07, 2007, 12:35:59 AM
Is tubgirl going to fight baby Jesus?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on February 07, 2007, 07:24:06 AM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on February 07, 2007, 12:35:59 AM
Is tubgirl going to fight baby Jesus?

I'm still toying with ideas for the prophet mohammed. Tubgirl might just work.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Thurnez Isa on February 07, 2007, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 07, 2007, 07:24:06 AM

I'm still toying with ideas for the prophet mohammed. Tubgirl might just work.

This can only result in the systematic bombings of hundreds of KFC's by Muslim radicals
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on February 07, 2007, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on February 07, 2007, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 07, 2007, 07:24:06 AM

I'm still toying with ideas for the prophet mohammed. Tubgirl might just work.

This can only result in the systematic bombings of hundreds of KFC's by Muslim radicals

If it don't result in uproar I'll have missed the mark. I always wanted a fatwa on me. As a theological satirist you're fucking nobody unless a bunch of turbaniacs have yelled 'Jihad' at you.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Triple Zero on February 07, 2007, 05:15:56 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 06, 2007, 08:40:13 PMWe'd never get in the car.

Every day, we'd sit in front of the computer (or, post at an internet cafe all together), posting how we're gonna get in the car & go get this guy, but we fall into squabbling, and never get around to it.

that really sounds like waiting for godot ..

i'm reading that play now .. man is it ever boring! but funny, in a boring way.

Waiting For Godot II: The waiting for the Return of Godot
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LMNO on February 07, 2007, 05:16:51 PM
You really need to see it performed.  A lot is added when you actually see and hear it.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Triple Zero on February 07, 2007, 05:19:11 PM
yes, though while reading it, i continously try to imagine what it would look like on stage.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Bhode_Sativa on February 07, 2007, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 07, 2007, 07:24:06 AM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on February 07, 2007, 12:35:59 AM
Is tubgirl going to fight baby Jesus?

I'm still toying with ideas for the prophet mohammed. Tubgirl might just work.
Baby Mohamed, same face, just darken it, and in place of the crown of thorns, a turban.  Just for continuity, a baby abraham, with a beard.  Three floating baby heads in a bar laughing at the schmucks who take them too seriously.  Then they get to arguing about who gets Tubgirl's soul, cause they're sick... oh so sick.

I'm sure that whatever you come up with will be better, but I had to share my mental picture.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Payne on May 19, 2007, 03:23:29 AM
This is an absolute gem!

Has the pilot been written? Did you ever get in touch with Laz? Did hunter ever manage to interogate a HIMEOBS agent?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Idem on May 19, 2007, 03:41:55 AM
I read through all of this thread and I never did see Laz show his punk ass up.   :sad:
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Dr. Cow Ass on May 19, 2007, 04:53:42 PM
I'm sorry if this was mentioned earlier in the thread, but can someone point out what the author's major errors were in his review of BIP? 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Cain on May 19, 2007, 04:59:57 PM
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11541.0
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Payne on May 19, 2007, 05:02:45 PM
The major error (imo) is that he posted that review without any discussion about it.

If he thought it was so bleak and futile, or even badwrong, as he seemed to indicate, why didn't he discuss it with the writers, and see what could be done to improve it?

After all, I feel that the philosophy of the BIP is  that its not the intention to herd everyone into a little box, and tell them there is no capacity to extend your horizons, but maybe others feel differently. Rather than post a pithy review warning people of dangerously cultish behaviour, wouldn't it make more sense to argue your case here?

Laz certainly had the opportunity to, and all it would have taken is a well made argument stating HIS opinion to at least make the BIP authers consider other ways of expressing the ideas in it.

Maybe that is a somewhat optimistic point of view of course, but I think the fact that he hid behind the cells of his own cell to criticise the people telling him he was in a cell in the first place makes me laugh.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Dr. Cow Ass on May 19, 2007, 05:15:47 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 19, 2007, 04:59:57 PM
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11541.0

Holy Shit! Thanks.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on May 19, 2007, 06:24:22 PM
Laz actually did spend a little time here before he posted his summary of the BIP.  I know a bunch of us had some debate and discussion with him.  then he just kind of vanished.  the next thing we knew someone found his site with the summary.  I've made a couple of overtures to him myself but he's never returned any of my e-mails. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 19, 2007, 07:19:22 PM
Quote from: triple zero on January 18, 2007, 12:05:57 PM
i like the picture on his site:
(http://www.closertogod.net/main/images/thoughts/world/BIP.jpg)

we really oughtta use this somehow.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: guest7654 on May 19, 2007, 07:21:25 PM
All I know is that I find his site very entertaining.....
Just saying.
I do wonder what scared him off.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: LHX on May 19, 2007, 08:02:51 PM
Quote from: rzasthole on May 19, 2007, 07:21:25 PM
All I know is that I find his site very entertaining.....
Just saying.
I do wonder what scared him off.

what aspect of it do you find entertaining?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Discord on May 19, 2007, 08:32:13 PM
Quote from: LHX on May 19, 2007, 08:02:51 PM
Quote from: rzasthole on May 19, 2007, 07:21:25 PM
All I know is that I find his site very entertaining.....
Just saying.
I do wonder what scared him off.

what aspect of it do you find entertaining?

It's probably not your avatar  :lulz:
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: guest7654 on May 20, 2007, 07:08:17 PM

Quote from: LHX on May 19, 2007, 08:02:51 PM
Quote from: rzasthole on May 19, 2007, 07:21:25 PM
All I know is that I find his site very entertaining.....
Just saying.
I do wonder what scared him off.

what aspect of it do you find entertaining?


His nutjob takes on a few subjects.  The Nietzsche quotes.  The intro....  Ok, I guess there isn't that much there.

Quote from: Discord on May 19, 2007, 08:32:13 PM
It's probably not your avatar  :lulz:

Is that a crack at my avatar?    :evilmad:
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on May 21, 2007, 01:39:38 PM
Quote from: rzasthole on May 19, 2007, 07:21:25 PM
All I know is that I find his site very entertaining.....
Just saying.
I do wonder what scared him off.

I don't think he was "scared" off.  Because, in fact, I think we were quite congenial with him.  We kind of knew from our discussions with him that he wasn't quite getting it.  However, at some point I imagine he decided he had gathered enough "intelligence" for his website.  I'm sure he knew that if we ever found his site, (because he never mentioned it to us while he was here), that we'd take issue with his summary of the BIP.  So, I think it was more of a matter that he was scared to come back and back up his take.  In other words, I think he's pretty much a cowardly sockfucker. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Triple Zero on May 26, 2007, 02:15:55 PM
should we link him on the wiki under "What other people say about the Black Iron Prison" ? :)
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mourning Star on June 01, 2007, 09:27:03 AM
This Guy Is Without A Clue. 
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mourning Star on June 01, 2007, 06:41:54 PM
Okay...  This, is probably the dumbest shit I have seen, this week.

http://www.closertogod.net/main/thoughts/worlddetail/darko.htm

Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on June 01, 2007, 06:43:32 PM
did you read the bit about the Ghostbusters yet?
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mourning Star on June 01, 2007, 07:29:06 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 01, 2007, 06:43:32 PM
did you read the bit about the Ghostbusters yet?

no.  I had to stop, I could feel myself getting dumber...
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Triple Zero on June 01, 2007, 08:40:26 PM
Quote from: Mourning Star on June 01, 2007, 07:29:06 PM
no.  I had to stop, I could feel myself getting dumber...

it's called COCK&REPOST, it's the ONLY way to fly ...
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Mourning Star on June 02, 2007, 05:06:45 PM
Quote from: triple zero on June 01, 2007, 08:40:26 PM
Quote from: Mourning Star on June 01, 2007, 07:29:06 PM
no.  I had to stop, I could feel myself getting dumber...

it's called COCK&REPOST, it's the ONLY way to fly ...

I'd rather do a lethal dose of Ketamine
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on August 27, 2012, 05:20:23 PM
Bump for lulz
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on August 29, 2012, 12:32:48 AM
Quote from: Mourning Star on June 02, 2007, 05:06:45 PM
Quote from: triple zero on June 01, 2007, 08:40:26 PM
Quote from: Mourning Star on June 01, 2007, 07:29:06 PM
no.  I had to stop, I could feel myself getting dumber...

it's called COCK&REPOST, it's the ONLY way to fly ...

I'd rather do a lethal dose of Ketamine

If I die, right, if I die THIS is how I wanna go.  That or old and surrounded by loved ones that have been enriched by my efforts. Or possibly weaponized Warfirin.  That would be great.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: AFK on August 30, 2012, 12:46:12 AM
It'll kind of suck when it's just your ticker stopping while sitting and they find you in a drool soaked robe.


You watch too many movies.
Title: Re: LOL BIP gets dissed
Post by: Dildo Argentino on December 05, 2012, 07:05:15 AM
Quote from: faust on January 18, 2007, 01:20:11 PM
QuoteBreaking down walls is a good thing, but to find that behind every wall is another, is an idea that breads contempt, inadeqacy, and selfish behaviour, it is an idea that is a trick.

Its more like a Matryoshka doll.
He believes that in his lifetime he can attain the ultimate truth and perfect way to live, we can mock, but at least he has hope.

Funny someone should have said that almost five years ago...

I don't know about that guy, but if I were to take the piss out of the BIP in proper detail (something definitely on my rather long project list), I would go with: perhaps "attaining ultimate truth and perfect way to live" is not the only way to be outside your prison. Sufficient flexibility and playfulness is enough, you can still err... and anyway, you're only in prison if you choose to be. Unchoosing is a tricky business, and it is very probable that there will be times when you think you have unchosen when in fact you just rearranged your cell... but it's far from... hopeless.