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Principia Discordia => Two vast and trunkless legs of stone => Topic started by: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:15:21 PM

Title: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:15:21 PM
For clarification, when navkat talks about "Crustwave," this is what she means:
http://hipsterrunoff.com/tag/crust-kids

Fun fact: My friend Donovan "Rekanize" Fannon did the photos in that piece. They were actually used w/o permission from a memorial service in New Orleans for some crusties who died IAF in an abandoned building a couple of winters ago.

I was deeply saddened by the loss of such awesome slang into the bowels of the american vernacular and would like to revive it.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Don Coyote on January 16, 2012, 07:20:53 PM
People who don't bath and wear tattered clothes?
So hipsters, hippies and/or the homeless?
I'm missing something.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: AFK on January 16, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Jesus christ, this is the part about having kids that keeps me up at night.  Well, actually, one of several parts. 
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:40:09 PM
Quote from: Don Coyote on January 16, 2012, 07:20:53 PM
People who don't bath and wear tattered clothes?
So hipsters, hippies and/or the homeless?
I'm missing something.

Hipsters are middle class kids who walk around in BCGs and drink PBR because it's "kool." They go on and on about Autechre and how Apple is superior to PC and Linux.

Hippies are vegetarians who bathe and go to Phish concerts and buy from food co-ops.

Homeless are poor people who have Real Life fucking problems and are in need (and deserving) of help.

Crust Kids are usually upper-middle-class wankers who have homes to go to, people who love them, college funds they don't want to use and have opted to live like drug addicts and filthy bums.

Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:40:09 PM
Crust Kids are usually upper-middle-class wankers who have homes to go to, people who love them, college funds they don't want to use and have opted to live like drug addicts and filthy bums.

Jesus.

Well, I suppose it takes all kinds to fill the monkey house...But this is the best slap in the face the world's poor have seen on a cultural level, since the invention of the Turduken.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Don Coyote on January 16, 2012, 07:42:02 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:40:09 PM
Quote from: Don Coyote on January 16, 2012, 07:20:53 PM
People who don't bath and wear tattered clothes?
So hipsters, hippies and/or the homeless?
I'm missing something.

Hipsters are middle class kids who walk around in BCGs and drink PBR because it's "kool." They go on and on about Autechre and how Apple is superior to PC and Linux.

Hippies are vegetarians who bathe and go to Phish concerts and buy from food co-ops.

Homeless are poor people who have Real Life fucking problems and are in need (and deserving) of help.

Crust Kids are usually upper-middle-class wankers who have homes to go to, people who love them, college funds they don't want to use and have opted to live like drug addicts and filthy bums.

The next evolution of hipsters?
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: AFK on January 16, 2012, 07:46:13 PM
And this is supposed to be "edgy" right? 
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:48:17 PM
Quote from: Don Coyote on January 16, 2012, 07:42:02 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:40:09 PM
Quote from: Don Coyote on January 16, 2012, 07:20:53 PM
People who don't bath and wear tattered clothes?
So hipsters, hippies and/or the homeless?
I'm missing something.

Hipsters are middle class kids who walk around in BCGs and drink PBR because it's "kool." They go on and on about Autechre and how Apple is superior to PC and Linux.

Hippies are vegetarians who bathe and go to Phish concerts and buy from food co-ops.

Homeless are poor people who have Real Life fucking problems and are in need (and deserving) of help.

Crust Kids are usually upper-middle-class wankers who have homes to go to, people who love them, college funds they don't want to use and have opted to live like drug addicts and filthy bums.

The next evolution of hipsters?

Worse. Eventually, all the drug use and stealing and indignant attitudes about the middle class that surrounds them nets them addictions, sketchy character and criminal record. They create Real Life problems for themselves and actually become what they started out play acting at.

If your kid turned his nose up at a college education in favor of heroin and begging for people's leftovers as they walk out of Angeli, eventually, you'd stop trying.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: RWHN on January 16, 2012, 07:46:13 PM
And this is supposed to be "edgy" right?

I guess it beats attending class.

After all, Mommy & Daddy will always be there to pick you up when you fall.  Right?
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:48:17 PM
Worse. Eventually, all the drug use and stealing and indignant attitudes about the middle class that surrounds them nets them addictions, sketchy character and criminal record. They create Real Life problems for themselves and actually become what they started out play acting at.

I'd say this is a self-correcting problem.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:50:44 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:48:17 PM
Worse. Eventually, all the drug use and stealing and indignant attitudes about the middle class that surrounds them nets them addictions, sketchy character and criminal record. They create Real Life problems for themselves and actually become what they started out play acting at.

I'd say this is a self-correcting problem.

Racist.  :lulz:
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: AFK on January 16, 2012, 07:51:03 PM
See, these are the people the Tea Party really should be losing their shit over. 
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 07:51:59 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:50:44 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:48:17 PM
Worse. Eventually, all the drug use and stealing and indignant attitudes about the middle class that surrounds them nets them addictions, sketchy character and criminal record. They create Real Life problems for themselves and actually become what they started out play acting at.

I'd say this is a self-correcting problem.

Racist.  :lulz:

wut
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: RWHN on January 16, 2012, 07:51:03 PM
See, these are the people the Tea Party really should be losing their shit over.

These are the people we all should be losing our shit over. We're so fucking decadent, we've got rich kids trying to be poor.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 07:57:38 PM
Um, yeah.

So I'm a fucking racist for some fucking reason.

Later.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:58:39 PM
Sorry the sarcasm didn't come across.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:58:39 PM
Sorry the sarcasm didn't come across.

HOW THE FUCK WOULD IT EVEN APPLY IN A SARCASTIC SENSE?

So, yeah, you felt driven to hit the one button that pisses me off when done by someone I am friendly with.  Well done.  Give yourself 10 points and a big gold star.

And then leave me the hell alone.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: AFK on January 16, 2012, 08:01:36 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: RWHN on January 16, 2012, 07:51:03 PM
See, these are the people the Tea Party really should be losing their shit over.

These are the people we all should be losing our shit over. We're so fucking decadent, we've got rich kids trying to be poor.

I would tend to wonder where the parents are in all this.  Best case scenario, they have rich, out of touch parents who's worried about the big merger and are glued to their iPads.  Worst case secenario, they know all about this and are cool with it and chalk it up to "kids being kids". 
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: navkat on January 16, 2012, 08:02:27 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:58:39 PM
Sorry the sarcasm didn't come across.

HOW THE FUCK WOULD IT EVEN APPLY IN A SARCASTIC SENSE?

So, yeah, you felt driven to hit the one button that pisses me off when done by someone I am friendly with.  Well done.  Give yourself 10 points and a big gold star.

And then leave me the hell alone.

Are you serious?
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 08:05:07 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 08:02:27 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:58:39 PM
Sorry the sarcasm didn't come across.

HOW THE FUCK WOULD IT EVEN APPLY IN A SARCASTIC SENSE?

So, yeah, you felt driven to hit the one button that pisses me off when done by someone I am friendly with.  Well done.  Give yourself 10 points and a big gold star.

And then leave me the hell alone.

Are you serious?

No, I'm wearing fucking clown shoes.  I mean, we were in no way discussing anything to do with race at all, then you called me a racist.  I said "wut", and you fucking ignored me while answering other things in the thread.  So, yeah, I think you deliberately set out to stick it to me, and you succeeded.

Well fucking done.  Applause and all that shit.

Now I think we're done, here.  Please find someone else to take out your weird frustrations on.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: navkat on January 16, 2012, 08:07:19 PM
Help me out Rog. I AM HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU TOOK THAT WITH ANY OFFENSE SINCE I DIDN'T MEAN IT WITH ANY OFFENSE.

I also realize I don't always understand how I'm coming across. I WAS RIBBING YOU. I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK YOU ARE A RACIST.

FUCK.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 08:08:46 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 08:07:19 PM
Help me out Rog. I AM HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU TOOK THAT WITH ANY OFFENSE SINCE I DIDN'T MEAN IT WITH ANY OFFENSE.

I also realize I don't always understand how I'm coming across. I WAS RIBBING YOU. I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK YOU ARE A RACIST.

FUCK.

Explain to me how it was relevant, even as a joke.  Then please explain why you left me fucking hanging when I asked what you were talking about.

I mean, if we were talking about economics and I announced that you were a homophobe, out of the fucking blue, then ignored your request for a clarification, how would you take it?
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on January 16, 2012, 08:10:47 PM
Quote from: RWHN on January 16, 2012, 08:01:36 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: RWHN on January 16, 2012, 07:51:03 PM
See, these are the people the Tea Party really should be losing their shit over.

These are the people we all should be losing our shit over. We're so fucking decadent, we've got rich kids trying to be poor.

I would tend to wonder where the parents are in all this.  Best case scenario, they have rich, out of touch parents who's worried about the big merger and are glued to their iPads.  Worst case secenario, they know all about this and are cool with it and chalk it up to "kids being kids".

I would be absolutely humiliated if I found out my child were walking around dirty and in rags dumpster diving, not to mention the fact that I work my fucking ass off to feed and clothe them and they are eating our of fucking dumpsters?  In bad punk/goth/madonna gear looking nasty and dirty?

I'm not saying I give two shits if my kids are "trending" whatever style is popular but by god they will be clean and dressed in clothes that aren't rags. 

Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: navkat on January 16, 2012, 08:16:07 PM
Okay, by "wut," I thought you were acknowledging the joke somehow.

And the "joke" was that I'm surrounded by people who read, see, hear stories about poor, black kids in depressed areas who get into gangs and shoot each other dead. The common response is "Good. Let 'em kill each other off. That solves THAT problem." They say it so often, it's somewhat of a joke. They don't even realize they're being racist and it's pointless even saying anything.

I thought his was somewhat of a universal "so sad it's funny" thing for old, crotchety racist white people to say so that's where the source of my poking fun came from.

I thought your "wut" was ironic acknowledgment of this by way of feigned cluelessness.

I WAS NOT REALLY CALLING YOU A RACIST.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 08:18:55 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 08:16:07 PM
Okay, by "wut," I thought you were acknowledging the joke somehow.

And the "joke" was that I'm surrounded by people who read, see, hear stories about poor, black kids in depressed areas who get into gangs and shoot each other dead. The common response is "Good. Let 'em kill each other off. That solves THAT problem." They say it so often, it's somewhat of a joke. They don't even realize they're being racist and it's pointless even saying anything.

I thought his was somewhat of a universal "so sad it's funny" thing for old, crotchety racist white people to say so that's where the source of my poking fun came from.

I thought your "wut" was ironic acknowledgment of this by way of feigned cluelessness.

I WAS NOT REALLY CALLING YOU A RACIST.

Okay.  Sounds like we had a rather large misunderstanding.  Hate-puking retracted.  Sorry about that.

I didn't see the parallel because it doesn't exist.  People who are stuck in a bad situation are not the same as people who actively insist on being in a bad situation.  Someone born with no options is not the same as people born into a good situation who deliberately fuck themselves up.

Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 08:19:38 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 16, 2012, 08:10:47 PM
I would be absolutely humiliated if I found out my child were walking around dirty and in rags dumpster diving, not to mention the fact that I work my fucking ass off to feed and clothe them and they are eating our of fucking dumpsters? 

Pretty sure that's the goal.  Punishing mommy & daddy.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: navkat on January 16, 2012, 08:21:42 PM
It's kool. I realize I have a somewhat odd way of connecting these things and not everyone sees what's in my head when I'm taking for granted that they do.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on January 16, 2012, 08:28:13 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 08:19:38 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 16, 2012, 08:10:47 PM
I would be absolutely humiliated if I found out my child were walking around dirty and in rags dumpster diving, not to mention the fact that I work my fucking ass off to feed and clothe them and they are eating our of fucking dumpsters? 

Pretty sure that's the goal.  Punishing mommy & daddy.

Yes well, they'll just have to wait and bitch about me in therapy like I had too......  :lulz:

But yeah, you are too right on that one.  I guess it's a bit better than dating bad boys and swilling BoonesFarm.....  NAAAHHHHH.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Cain on January 16, 2012, 08:31:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 08:18:55 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 08:16:07 PM
Okay, by "wut," I thought you were acknowledging the joke somehow.

And the "joke" was that I'm surrounded by people who read, see, hear stories about poor, black kids in depressed areas who get into gangs and shoot each other dead. The common response is "Good. Let 'em kill each other off. That solves THAT problem." They say it so often, it's somewhat of a joke. They don't even realize they're being racist and it's pointless even saying anything.

I thought his was somewhat of a universal "so sad it's funny" thing for old, crotchety racist white people to say so that's where the source of my poking fun came from.

I thought your "wut" was ironic acknowledgment of this by way of feigned cluelessness.

I WAS NOT REALLY CALLING YOU A RACIST.

Okay.  Sounds like we had a rather large misunderstanding.  Hate-puking retracted.  Sorry about that.

I didn't see the parallel because it doesn't exist.  People who are stuck in a bad situation are not the same as people who actively insist on being in a bad situation.  Someone born with no options is not the same as people born into a good situation who deliberately fuck themselves up.

Sounds like most of my students, who seem to specialize in contrived reasons to fuck themselves up for no good reason, except to show mommy and daddy who's boss.

Speaking of which, I need to go harass mine on this very topic.  Later.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 17, 2012, 07:49:39 AM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 08:16:07 PM
Okay, by "wut," I thought you were acknowledging the joke somehow.

And the "joke" was that I'm surrounded by people who read, see, hear stories about poor, black kids in depressed areas who get into gangs and shoot each other dead. The common response is "Good. Let 'em kill each other off. That solves THAT problem." They say it so often, it's somewhat of a joke. They don't even realize they're being racist and it's pointless even saying anything.

I thought his was somewhat of a universal "so sad it's funny" thing for old, crotchety racist white people to say so that's where the source of my poking fun came from.

I thought your "wut" was ironic acknowledgment of this by way of feigned cluelessness.

I WAS NOT REALLY CALLING YOU A RACIST.

That's such a stretch that Reed Richards would be impressed.

Also, these crust kid idiots don't even realize that "crust" as a term for some stupid alternative culture crap was already coined by the kids for whom "punk" wasn't punk enough and has been in use for at least 20 years. So I guess they're dumpster-diving for their identity too.

Personally, I hope they all drink windshield washer fluid.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: navkat on January 17, 2012, 01:31:26 PM
ARE YOU SAYING I CALLED ROG A RACIST? BECAUSE I THINK IT'S MIRACULOUS THAT YOU CAN READ MY MIND NOW. MAYBE YOU'RE MY TWIN FLAME AND WE SHOULD GET MARRIED AND MAKE ASSHAT BABIES NOW.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 17, 2012, 02:07:50 PM
No, I'm just saying that you had to stretch really far to find a way to make any of this relate to racism.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Elder Iptuous on January 17, 2012, 03:06:42 PM
the fact that it is a ridiculous stretch is what made it appear readily to me as a joke from the outset...
actually, i guess before she explained it, it just seemed like a nonsequitur joke.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: LMNO on January 17, 2012, 04:46:44 PM
In my twenties, I dropped out of college, moved to Maryland, joined a few bands, worked the occasional dishwashing job, slept on counches and in vans, did a lot of drugs, and basically didn't make any meaningful contributions to society. However, I was always fully aware that I was still a priviledged white kid at heart, and was just slumming for a while.  Eventually, I went back to school, and look at me now.

Still, those couple of years were a hell of a lot of fun.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2012, 06:32:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 17, 2012, 04:46:44 PM
In my twenties, I dropped out of college, moved to Maryland, joined a few bands, worked the occasional dishwashing job, slept on counches and in vans, did a lot of drugs, and basically didn't make any meaningful contributions to society. However, I was always fully aware that I was still a priviledged white kid at heart, and was just slumming for a while.  Eventually, I went back to school, and look at me now.

Still, those couple of years were a hell of a lot of fun.

I went from a fairly posh White privilege childhood to a private in the infantry.  That was a shock.  It was also a hell of a lot of fun (with the odd bit of horror and/or terror).  My son is doing something similar right now.  Sometimes you have to take a break and live for a while, before rejoining the program.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on January 17, 2012, 06:46:52 PM
I think the thing with this for me is that there are so many people out there who are truly homeless, without food, without clothing, with no way to bathe and they have nowhere to turn to.

These kids have homes to go to, they aren't truly doing anything except saying "Fuck you" to their parents.  They aren't trying to find themselves or make a political statement.  They're just being brats.  It's one thing to take whatever version of the "grand tour" works for you and another to just not give two shits.

I did the same as LMNO after my first year and a half of college.  I dropped out, tried a lot of different things, worked in a lot of insane places and dated a load of innappropriate men.  Funny thing is, I always preferred eating, indoor plumbing and being clean to perpetuating the "fuck you" to my parents.  So I didn't last very long and went back to work and back to school after realizing mom and dad had not lied, money did not grow on trees..... :lulz:
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: navkat on January 17, 2012, 08:06:28 PM
I ran away because they were abusing the crap out of me. After the beatings stopped, the mind fuckery continued. My folks actually made my sister drop out of school at age 16 because my mom had my baby brother and couldn't be bothered with child care.

It's almost worse for kids now in spite of raised abuse awareness. These days, running away to stay on someone else's sofa is a big taboo for the adults. If you're a grown single person letting someone else's kid sleep on your sofa, you're questioned as a possible creep over kindness. If you're a parent, stepping in to help say, your son's girlfriend, you generally back down after the threats are made because you have your own kid to worry about.

The foster system is a disaster, it's no longer possible for a kid to emancipate and support himself so what's shitty is that mixed into these groups of "bums-by-choice" are probably some kids that didn't choose this and never really had a shot. They'll find themselves alone when their crusty pals eventually get bored of grandstanding about lack of healthcare that's never been a real problem until they turned 21, no support for artists/musicians and oppressive police presence that wouldn't really apply to their white asses if they would just stop picking fights outside of Sidney's and make their flea-bitten dogs stop shitting on the sidewalk.

Notice the conspicuous low ratio of multicultural crusties, BTW? These are not the desperate and optionless.

You have some in any city that claims for itself a "bohemian" element. These kids would be flat-out made to be uncomfortable in a city like Mobile so they do not exist here. We have plenty of issues with real poor people getting shit from the police.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Cramulus on January 17, 2012, 08:48:53 PM
WHAT IS THE DEAL with this website? http://www.hipsterrunoff.com

I've been scanning it, trying to make sense of it - is it sarcastic or not? And it's so jammed with hip buzzwords, parts of it are opaque to me. It's very mysterious.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: kingyak on January 17, 2012, 09:31:44 PM
Socioeconomic tourism's not really a new thing, there are just new and stupider ways of going about it. I had pretty much the same reaction to On The Road that most people seem to be having to the link in the OP.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on January 17, 2012, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: kingyak on January 17, 2012, 09:31:44 PM
Socioeconomic tourism's not really a new thing, there are just new and stupider ways of going about it. I had pretty much the same reaction to On The Road that most people seem to be having to the link in the OP.

I'm presuming the book because I don't think the movie is out yet...  But yeah, I can see where you are coming from.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 18, 2012, 12:24:49 AM
Yeah, Kerouac always struck me as a slumming douchewart.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: navkat on January 18, 2012, 12:41:28 AM
Hipster Runoff has been a subject of amusement and ire for me for a few years now. It's ironic trolling that's ironic in that at some point, it starts to become that which it mocks.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 19, 2012, 07:12:54 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:40:09 PM
Crust Kids are usually upper-middle-class wankers who have homes to go to, people who love them, college funds they don't want to use and have opted to live like drug addicts and filthy bums.

Jesus.

Well, I suppose it takes all kinds to fill the monkey house...But this is the best slap in the face the world's poor have seen on a cultural level, since the invention of the Turduken.

I have nothing to add to this.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 19, 2012, 07:19:50 AM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 08:21:42 PM
It's kool. I realize I have a somewhat odd way of connecting these things and not everyone sees what's in my head when I'm taking for granted that they do.

FTR my friends and I have a longstanding running joke of saying "WHY ARE YOU RACIST AGAINST...?" when it's a topic that has nothing to do with race.

-Nigel (racist against Canadians)

(Also, couldn't help noticing that there is not one single nonwhite person in all of those "crusty" pics, probably because people who actually understand the lack of privilege want nothing to do with such a dumbass privilege-based pretending-to-be-poor hipster scene lol)

PS thanks for sharing that bit of hilarity/annoyance
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 19, 2012, 07:26:40 AM
The comments section is a lulzmine of stupidity.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 19, 2012, 07:32:51 AM
Quote from: navkat on January 17, 2012, 08:06:28 PM
I ran away because they were abusing the crap out of me. After the beatings stopped, the mind fuckery continued. My folks actually made my sister drop out of school at age 16 because my mom had my baby brother and couldn't be bothered with child care.

It's almost worse for kids now in spite of raised abuse awareness. These days, running away to stay on someone else's sofa is a big taboo for the adults. If you're a grown single person letting someone else's kid sleep on your sofa, you're questioned as a possible creep over kindness. If you're a parent, stepping in to help say, your son's girlfriend, you generally back down after the threats are made because you have your own kid to worry about.

The foster system is a disaster, it's no longer possible for a kid to emancipate and support himself so what's shitty is that mixed into these groups of "bums-by-choice" are probably some kids that didn't choose this and never really had a shot. They'll find themselves alone when their crusty pals eventually get bored of grandstanding about lack of healthcare that's never been a real problem until they turned 21, no support for artists/musicians and oppressive police presence that wouldn't really apply to their white asses if they would just stop picking fights outside of Sidney's and make their flea-bitten dogs stop shitting on the sidewalk.

Notice the conspicuous low ratio of multicultural crusties, BTW? These are not the desperate and optionless.

You have some in any city that claims for itself a "bohemian" element. These kids would be flat-out made to be uncomfortable in a city like Mobile so they do not exist here. We have plenty of issues with real poor people getting shit from the police.

Hell yeah, totally.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: navkat on January 19, 2012, 01:55:52 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 19, 2012, 07:26:40 AM
The comments section is a lulzmine of stupidity.

The only reason to read HipsterRunoff. :lulz:
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 02:19:48 AM
We got proper hordes of rancid Crusties this side of the pond. A vast itinerant Army of unwashed dreadlocked 3rd Gen Bus Kids raving around Europe on a wave of Crystal X, Occupy, and Carlsberg Special Brew.
Spiral Tribe have been wandering around throwing crusty raves in muddy fields  for over 25 years, and they know how to milk a good cause for a Party or two. Seem a bit livelier that your Yank Gap year Crusties too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYtMBI1IeU&feature=related
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Hoser McRhizzy on January 20, 2012, 03:24:34 AM
[Next day sober edit-delete. Classmate and departmental surveillance is likely.  What I wrote was too specific and the professional sufferer in question could easily be identified.  Yak's comment further down the thread was a good reminder to watch my back.  Don't worry, imaginary reader-person, you didn't miss anything.  Also, I am a giant douche for editing this post.]
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2012, 03:33:35 AM
Quote from: Hoser McRhizzy on January 20, 2012, 03:24:34 AM
Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 07:40:09 PM
Crust Kids are usually upper-middle-class wankers who have homes to go to, people who love them, college funds they don't want to use and have opted to live like drug addicts and filthy bums.

Your expertise, please.  There's a well-off white student in my university department who is starving herself, making a big show out of eating leftovers brought into the student lounge, walks around with a huge-ass blanket draped around herself and is sleeping in her boss' project office, even though she's paid rent on a room elsewhere in the city.  She's paid an extra semester's tuition for the privledge of editing her thesis (seriously, everything else is done, she just wants to be here for another couple of months) and has complained about not having enough money for toilet paper.

Is she a "crustie kid"?  Or just our everyday run-of-the-mill moron?  Is there another subsection of idiot that pays thousands of dollars for the opportunity to play Poor Student?  There's always been the kid who waxes on about being down with the struggle because they ate Ramyun for a month, but the woman I mention is another beast entirely. 

Ideas?

Smack her upside the head with something heavy.

Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Hoser McRhizzy on January 20, 2012, 04:05:29 AM
 :lol:

I wish she was an exception, but I keep encountering this very specific brand of Oppressed-Rich-Kid.  Not that they have to have cash as a prerequisite.  Anyone digging themselves into 10s of thousands of $s worth of debt with no reason for the education other than "I'm going to study the counter-culture for a living and that makes me totally oppressed!  Tweet me back!" ...  :?

Aht.  I can't pretend to understand any of it.  And I'm pretty sure navcat's not talking about these douchenozzles.

Nav:  Your "crusty" is a well to do kid that tweets every time he scores a 'za in a dumpster dive.  Whose brain would explode if she had to actually make a living off other people's refuse for a living (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXzsqTFwV3Q), yes? 

(Liking your upside-the-head suggestion, Rog.  Believe me, I'd love to.  For the blankie alone.)
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: kingyak on January 20, 2012, 04:15:46 AM
The problem with people like that is if you smack them upside the head, you'll only feed their delusions of oppression.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 04:28:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYtMBI1IeU&feature=related
Notice the clever subterfuge at 1.58, when the brave Boys in Blue are about to surge forward in an undignified, and unnecessary skirmish=/=free for all. At the critical point, a Lady comes along, oblivious to everything, and proceeds to cross the road. The Plod have two choices here. They can stampede over the poor little old Lady, blithely crossing the road, and write her off as ''collateral damage''. Or step back into a familiar "Thin Blue Line" formation, and allow her to go about her lawful business, unhindered.

The fact that little old Lady is really just Lairy Mary from outside  the Off Licence taking the piss makes no difference.
In times of uncertainty, (And Daylight) they follow protocol. And Mary even has a handbag with her. 

The Commanding Officer at least, see's the Daily Slag's headline the next morning.
"Half Blind Lady Trampled to Fuck in Police Rout Debacle"

"Miss Mary Bristleditch 173, was recovering last night in a Lewisham Hospital Corridor after being trampled to fuck as Police fled from a "Terrorist Hose" attack.

Her ordeal, which left her bruised, bleeding, and bewildered, wearing nothing but her own soiled bloomers and whalebone corset, sparked out cold in the street.
A Police spokesperson, when asked about the incident, said to our reporter this morning "Fuck off you nosy Discordian cockrotter". Which was strange, because she's actually a Wesleyan Methodist. She later prayed for him.
To burn in hell.

Miss Grizzlebitch said earlier,
"I thought one of them was going to help me across the road, so I reached out to take his arm, but he just gave me such a smack upside my head, that I fainted away, soiling myself as I fell under their great stampy boots." She said.
"As I drifted out of consciousness, I thought they were my Stan's boots, marching home from his far off Flanders Ditch" A tear comes to her rheumy old eye.
"Why are you stamping on me head Stan"? Did I do something wro . . . . . " and she's out like a light.

"There's always one or two, who spoil it for the rest" Sir Henry Himlaugh, Lord High Sheriff of Westminster said earlier. "And if the Police respond in the brusque, vigourous manner
we train them to respond in, well, yes there will be casualties
", before voiding his stomach over a nearby child.

But mostly, everyone had a brilliant day. 
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Mangrove on January 20, 2012, 04:20:33 PM
Crusty? Really? People are still doing this?

So basically, privileged American kids are now dressing up like privileged British kids in the early 90s?

I remember this era very well [shudder].

To engage in this hobby you will need:

a) Unhygenic habits of hippies.
b) Unkempt dreadlocks.
c) Tatty clothing, much of it army surplus.
d) Boots. Combat boots or big Doc Martens.
e) Marxist and/or Anarchist politics
f)  Scrawny dog on a string.
g)  Predeliction for psychedelic drugs (esp LSD & mushrooms) and Ecstasy
h)  Beer: Tenant's Super or Carlsberg Special Brew.
i)   Pretentious affectation of being 'homeless'. Argue that ilegally  parking your shitty trailer on someone's land is you being 'nomadic'.
j)   Copious amounts of unemployment benefit fraud.
k)  Listen to bands like: New Model Army, The Levellers, (pre-Tubthumping) Chumbawamba and 'rave'
l)  Flask of weak lemon drink.

I was surrounded by these assholes when I was living in Plymouth, England. 1991-92 seemed to be the peak era by 1995-96 they had almost all disappeared and become 'Britpop' fans.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: kingyak on January 20, 2012, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 17, 2012, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: kingyak on January 17, 2012, 09:31:44 PM
Socioeconomic tourism's not really a new thing, there are just new and stupider ways of going about it. I had pretty much the same reaction to On The Road that most people seem to be having to the link in the OP.

I'm presuming the book because I don't think the movie is out yet...  But yeah, I can see where you are coming from.

I was talking about that show with Charles Kurault. Fuck that guy!
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on January 20, 2012, 04:54:24 PM
Quote from: kingyak on January 20, 2012, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 17, 2012, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: kingyak on January 17, 2012, 09:31:44 PM
Socioeconomic tourism's not really a new thing, there are just new and stupider ways of going about it. I had pretty much the same reaction to On The Road that most people seem to be having to the link in the OP.

I'm presuming the book because I don't think the movie is out yet...  But yeah, I can see where you are coming from.

I was talking about that show with Charles Kurault. Fuck that guy!

Well I have to agree with you on that one.  Funny it never entered my thoughts when I read that, the bok was the first thing I thought of.  Sorry.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: kingyak on January 20, 2012, 04:58:40 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 20, 2012, 04:54:24 PM
Quote from: kingyak on January 20, 2012, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 17, 2012, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: kingyak on January 17, 2012, 09:31:44 PM
Socioeconomic tourism's not really a new thing, there are just new and stupider ways of going about it. I had pretty much the same reaction to On The Road that most people seem to be having to the link in the OP.

I'm presuming the book because I don't think the movie is out yet...  But yeah, I can see where you are coming from.

I was talking about that show with Charles Kurault. Fuck that guy!

Well I have to agree with you on that one.  Funny it never entered my thoughts when I read that, the bok was the first thing I thought of.  Sorry.

Actually, I meant the book, but the idea of loathing something as hokey and harmless as the Charles Kurault show amused me. (Tone is hard to convey through text on a screen some days).
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 20, 2012, 09:22:14 PM
Quote from: Hoser McRhizzy on January 20, 2012, 04:05:29 AM
:lol:

I wish she was an exception, but I keep encountering this very specific brand of Oppressed-Rich-Kid.  Not that they have to have cash as a prerequisite.  Anyone digging themselves into 10s of thousands of $s worth of debt with no reason for the education other than "I'm going to study the counter-culture for a living and that makes me totally oppressed!  Tweet me back!" ...  :?

Aht.  I can't pretend to understand any of it.  And I'm pretty sure navcat's not talking about these douchenozzles.

Nav:  Your "crusty" is a well to do kid that tweets every time he scores a 'za in a dumpster dive.  Whose brain would explode if she had to actually make a living off other people's refuse for a living (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXzsqTFwV3Q), yes? 

(Liking your upside-the-head suggestion, Rog.  Believe me, I'd love to.  For the blankie alone.)

That was really, really interesting.
Title: Re: [NOMENCLATURE]: Crust Kids or "Crust wave."
Post by: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 10:08:14 PM
Quote from: Mangrove on January 20, 2012, 04:20:33 PM
Crusty? Really? People are still doing this?

So basically, privileged American kids are now dressing up like privileged British kids in the early 90s?

I remember this era very well [shudder].

To engage in this hobby you will need:

a) Unhygenic habits of hippies.
b) Unkempt dreadlocks.
c) Tatty clothing, much of it army surplus.
d) Boots. Combat boots or big Doc Martens.
e) Marxist and/or Anarchist politics
f)  Scrawny dog on a string.
g)  Predeliction for psychedelic drugs (esp LSD & mushrooms) and Ecstasy
h)  Beer: Tenant's Super or Carlsberg Special Brew.
i)   Pretentious affectation of being 'homeless'. Argue that ilegally  parking your shitty trailer on someone's land is you being 'nomadic'.
j)   Copious amounts of unemployment benefit fraud.
k)  Listen to bands like: New Model Army, The Levellers, (pre-Tubthumping) Chumbawamba and 'rave'
l)  Flask of weak lemon drink.

I was surrounded by these assholes when I was living in Plymouth, England. 1991-92 seemed to be the peak era by 1995-96 they had almost all disappeared and become 'Britpop' fans.
The whole thing staggered away from the 80's Travellers / Free festy scene some time in 87 or 88. Pre-emptively and aggressively pruned by the Tory Government, when tons of cheap brown heroin flooded Britain. This persuaded many of the Travellers from travelling any further that the nearest local retail outlet for smack, that does £10 wraps.

At the same time, Unemployment benefits were only available for the homeless, for a period of 3 months from any one Office. Except in recession hit Seaside towns. This brought a great big glut of Housing benefit money for any Hotel that catered for Social security claimants. Standing empty for much of the season while everyone flew out to Ibiza for £40 return instead of Holidaying at Paignton, Weymouth, Bournemouth, or Weston, they now had guaranteed guests all year round, and didn't need to close down. 

The Hotels crammed three or four people in every double room, then claimed exorbitant rents, like £150 per person per week from the Government, who saw it as an investment just by keeping the great unwashed from cluttering up the Cities.

Also, a great time to buy rundown cheap guest houses at rock bottom prices, fill them up with claimants, and make the mortgage every month six times over. Then when the market picks up again, sell the Houses at a huge profit. The clever money invested again, turned them into private Rehabs / Halfway Houses.
The cost for a recovering addict to stay in one of these converted Georgian Villas, was £7-800 per person, per week, 10 to 15 people per house. No shortage of recently detoxed street addicts to fill them up with. And everyone made money hand over fist, for well over a decade.

Of course, the quaint English Seaside Towns reverted back to crime ridden economic blackspots, main trades? Drug distribution and sale, money laundering Smuggling,  :fap: Fishing, The Hotel Industry, financial services, Care homes, and begging. I was generally on the lower end of any earning opportunity, at least until I moved from Weymouth to Portland. But good times, heady times. I've been told I thoroughly enjoyed most of it too. So that was good.