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Unlimited Ferguson Thread of police state nightmare fuel.

Started by Da6s, August 14, 2014, 07:09:14 AM

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von

Quote from: Junkenstein on August 15, 2014, 05:36:52 PM
Campaign contributions and election results for Ferguson? Most people ran unopposed. Contributions came from the candidates themselves and fa local construction firm . A small number of affluent people who have the time to bother with local politics run the town with no opposition.

Explain where/how this is different to the UK. Answers on a postcard to the usual address. Small prize to the funniest answer.

>most people ran unopposed

then run against them.

Junkenstein

 :facepalm:

You may also want to research "Rotten Boroughs".

I'm out. I tried, but I give up with you. Try and drop the 4chan mindsets for a while and you might get a little further in life and such.
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Quote from: von on August 15, 2014, 05:04:37 AM
Nah, hear me out on this:

nope, because i am in an assholish mood.
Normally I would read that but today all anyone gets is a FUCK YOU MANURE-FUCKER!
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LMNO

So, the cop who shot Brown was revealed by the cops, but I can't figure out if it's the same person Anonymous "outed".

I'm thinking it isn't, but I can't confirm that.

Roly Poly Oly-Garch

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 15, 2014, 06:55:08 PM
So, the cop who shot Brown was revealed by the cops, but I can't figure out if it's the same person Anonymous "outed".

I'm thinking it isn't, but I can't confirm that.

It's not. Ferguson PD said the person Anonymous outed didn't even work for them. Also  :horrormirth:
Back to the fecal matter in the pool

LMNO

Well done, Anonymous.  Such confidence. Much inspire.

Cain

Some Anonymous hackers on Twitter sounded the alarm that this info was suspect first.  I believe one of them pointed out they were given the info by another person in IRC and didn't do any due diligence in, y'know, checking out it wasn't a bunch of bullshit before posting it everywhere.

The Johnny

Quote from: Junkenstein on August 15, 2014, 03:53:50 PM
So if you commit a crime, it's OK for police to shoot you?

Or It's OK for black kids to get shot as long as it's a black cop that shoots them?

Holy fuck, I'd forgotten how much of an idiot racist you are.



Jonny/QG, Sincere apologies. You clearly had the correct motorcycle and I should have been on it instead of pointing out the fucking obvious about undercover cops.

was a nice summary of police infiltration, i was too lazy myself to link it up
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Bruno

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

QuotePolice in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

"On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of 'property damage' to wit did transfer blood to the uniform," reads the charge sheet.

The address is the headquarters of the Ferguson Police Department, where a 52-year-old welder named Henry Davis was taken in the predawn hours on that date. He had been arrested for an outstanding warrant that proved to actually be for another man of the same surname, but a different middle name and Social Security number.

"I said, 'I told you guys it wasn't me,'" Davis later testified.

He recalled the booking officer saying, "We have a problem."

The booking officer had no other reason to hold Davis, who ended up in Ferguson only because he missed the exit for St. Charles and then pulled off the highway because the rain was so heavy he could not see to drive. The cop who had pulled up behind him must have run his license plate and assumed he was that other Henry Davis. Davis said the cop approached his vehicle, grabbed his cellphone from his hand, cuffed him and placed him in the back seat of the patrol car, without a word of explanation.

But the booking officer was not ready just to let Davis go, and proceeded to escort him to a one-man cell that already had a man in it asleep on the lone bunk. Davis says that he asked the officer if he could at least have one of the sleeping mats that were stacked nearby.

"He said I wasn't getting one," Davis said.

Davis balked at being a second man in a one-man cell.

"Because it's 3 in the morning," he later testified. "Who going to sleep on a cement floor?"

The booking officer summoned a number of fellow cops. One opened the cell door while another suddenly charged, propelling Davis inside and slamming him against the back wall.

"I told the police officers there that I didn't do nothing, 'Why is you guys doing this to me?'" Davis testified. "They said, 'OK, just lay on the ground and put your hands behind your back.'"

Davis said he complied and that a female officer straddled and then handcuffed him. Two other officers crowded into the cell.

"They started hitting me," he testified. "I was getting hit and I just covered up."

The other two stepped out and the female officer allegedly lifted Davis' head as the cop who had initially pushed him into the cell reappeared.

"He ran in and kicked me in the head," Davis recalled. "I almost passed out at that point... Paramedics came... They said it was too much blood, I had to go to the hospital."

A patrol car took the bleeding Davis to a nearby emergency room. He refused treatment, demanding somebody first take his picture.

"I wanted a witness and proof of what they done to me," Davis said.

He was driven back to the jail, where he was held for several days before he posted $1,500 bond on four counts of "property damage." Police Officer John Beaird had signed complaints swearing on pain of perjury that Davis had bled on his uniform and those of three fellow officers.
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Junkenstein

It's half tempting to do the same for infiltrations of Anonymous.

There is of course no chance that random person in the IRC had any links at all with anything government related agency.

It's probably an external contractor.

Do you think that's a joke?
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: von on August 15, 2014, 12:21:12 AM
>everyone omitting the fact that the day after Mike Brown got killed, there were violent riots and looting in the streets

Fuck this narrative about peaceful protesters. They devolved into smashing in store fronts and stealing shit at random on day one. Hardly "peaceful" and hardly directed at the police force that committed injustice against them, if you ask me...

Which is why journalists were arrested, naturally.
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Quote[...] the media and what seems to be the general public would rather show more concern for the store owners whose property are being taken than for the black lives that are being lost. This has me begging the question, would black peoples lives be more valued if we were still property?

http://thisisbobbylondon.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/looting-is-a-political-tactic/

Interesting question in the era where property = people, but people ≠ property.
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The Johnny

Quote from: go shit on someone else on August 16, 2014, 12:45:59 PM
Quote[...] the media and what seems to be the general public would rather show more concern for the store owners whose property are being taken than for the black lives that are being lost. This has me begging the question, would black peoples lives be more valued if we were still property?

http://thisisbobbylondon.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/looting-is-a-political-tactic/

Interesting question in the era where property = people, but people ≠ property.

Maybe if blacks were still slaver's property? :roll:
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Junkenstein

Quote from: go shit on someone else on August 16, 2014, 12:45:59 PM
Quote[...] the media and what seems to be the general public would rather show more concern for the store owners whose property are being taken than for the black lives that are being lost. This has me begging the question, would black peoples lives be more valued if we were still property?

http://thisisbobbylondon.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/looting-is-a-political-tactic/

Interesting question in the era where property = people, but people ≠ property.

It's a shame that this is followed by a crappy commentary as looting as a political tactic.

Don't mistake me, I heartily agree that it certainly can be. Looting for essentials to survival is surely understandable to anyone. That's where you get the first problem. As I understand it there was no natural disaster or such, so that gives a reasonable indication of the level of tension in the area. Demographic maps are circulating that show quite stunning levels of segregation.

The second part of the problem is invariably the targets of such attention. They tend to be poorly chosen in the most part either focusing on whatever is nearest or an obvious easy target. Mcdonalds gets hit every time. So do many banks, but the focus is always going to be on commercial outlets, particularly smaller ones which shows personal gain at another's expense in the most personal possible level. It's the human interest angle and it plays well. It's also the quickest way to turn public sympathy against any demonstration.

The third part of the problem, is that these fuckers who get caught looting are always doing it fucking wrong. Here's what I want to see - A protest where a huge fucking crowd protects a group of 500 Black bloc looking guys who systematically grab and pile up and burn every single TV they can lay their hands on from a couple of shops and supermarkets alone you'll have a giant fucking pile. Or here's a radical idea, Booze! Everyone distinctly abstains while doing so too. Or guns. Whatever, you get the idea here. The point is to pick something that's a notable problem to the community in question. That's a charming statement and would be funny as hell to see reported about.

If not to that extent, any and all "property re-distribution" needs to be visibly to better someone else(Charity etc.) or be relatively essential. To harp on about the London riots again, many pictures came out with kids gaining electronic crap. There were a few however that were grabbing giant bags of cheap food and that's obviously quite a different story. If it was only food/essentials taken then it's hard to play a greed angle. The numbers of people below the poverty line are always startling so it's really only surprising that this kind of stuff doesn't occur more regularly.
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Telarus

Some points I don't believe were mentioned yet. The officer who shot the lad was not aware of the robbery or the suspect's description. After the State Highway Patrol Captain was assigned as the authority in the area, and then the looting resumed at night, local citizens stood in front of shop windows to prevent more damage. Nothing about this situation is homogeneous.
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