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I guess I'm just old-fashioned but I really prefer my programming without advertising like it used to be before the politicos tampered with Auntie [the Beeb]. Not all change is progress

Damn, damn, damn, two Hells and a bugger . . . it was also my partners b'day. HOW COULD I HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPQE3GfkrOo

Yep, that's us to a "T". We're just a fucking comic opera . . .

Awwwww.... Does it help that it was background for my SCA persona? Surely that gets me American points...

If you are really, really, nice to me I weon't tell you what British historical re-enactors jokingly say that SCA stands for

Keep in mind that Wales is a nation under British occupation, and are trying to save their language and culture from being crushed into oblivion like Ireland and Scotland's have been.

Oh you strange foreigners with your ridiculous notions . . .

Actually 100% of all children learn to speak are taught Welsh in schools but the language still isn't making much headway; except among the middle-class monoglot English speakers who think that having their kiddies taught in "Welsh medium" schools where everything is in Welsh will get them a better education - like the ones who get their kids into Church schools for the same reasons.
I suspect that the push to get more businesses to use Welsh is a backdoor way to try to convince kids that it is actually worth learning the language as it could be potentially useful to them in getting a good job.

NB There are more sheep working in Wales than people but those people are super people who can take in a message in the correct language at 20 mph or more from our gloriously complicated bilingual road signs



and are all experienced weightlifters from hefting the huge wadges of bumph that crash through our letter boxes in extravagantly bilingual format.

Wales eats trees!

  Cain

America kills children in the pursuit of its Causes [ yes I realise its not just America that has dirty hands but that was the country which came up in the thread ] so where is the lie?
Except for the John Brown kills children thing?

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All I can say is napalm, Little Boy and Fat Man, yeah and quote a wise man who said
"Protip:  When The Cause leads you toward murdering children, find another cause."


NB John Brown's accomplices [not Brown himself] killed five adult slave trackers pro slavers and then later he and his men attacked the Harper's Ferry Armory. Where are all these dead children? Probably killed by the US army when it was putting down the Natives, because that seems to be where the "nits grow into lice" quote more likely comes from.

This thread is making my teeth itch.

I see, so one justifies the other. Check.

I don't object to your one-liners CB but this one is not self explanatory.

[When The Cause leads you toward murdering children, find another cause."]

Actually Freeky, what Dok Howl implied is that some children are more equal than others and some deserve to be fried because they are foreign and not our children and ENEMIES. I'm not sure that that is what he really meant, any more than his ridiculous implication that the US bombed the shit out of Hiroshima and Nagasaki because the Japanese had been nasty to the Chinese back in the 1930's, but that is what he actually said.


Dok Howl my response is to you having said
"Protip: When The Cause leads you toward murdering children, find another cause."

Governments have causes too, you know, but since you object to my use of Vietnam as an example of an American cause murdering children I append the picture I was originally going to use

Hiroshima in all its military glory.
The bombs were dropped not to end the war with Japan, Japan was already finished. The 140,000 almost entirely civilian deaths were not to prevent the loss of 500,000 American lives in the final assault as was the contemporary excuse/rationale, the PTB already knew that the final assault would not be necessary. Hiroshima was a massive political gambit to put one over on the Russians and by showing that America had The Bomb to scare the shit out of them, as well, in the rush to grab power in the post-war world. And, hell, they weren't our children were they?

It is bad enough that power hungry politicos thought that they would get away with it back then, because they were going to be on the winning side - {War crimes anyone} - but to still find such unquestioning enthusiasm for the mass murder of two whole cities in a generation which wasn't even born at the time makes me retch.

Oh and I love how you credit Nigel with the Brown/Chivington thing which I brought up. And I love the "connection" between them; Capt. Silas A. Soule the man who offered to break Brown out of jail was later attached to Chivington's Regt. I wonder how he managed to work with a boss who was such an anti indian racist when he was such a staunch anti-slavery supporter himself?  Maybe he was brown/black colourblind?

Half this thread has been cut and thrust between lots of posters all trying to put their own spin on the whole Brown was a child murderer thing. Now if any of you had bothered to "history" this thread would have died long, long, ago because I'm not seeing any evidence that he was.



PS

" I have, it seems, fallen victim to the truism beast again."

what the hell does that even mean???

All I can say is napalm, Little Boy and Fat Man, yeah and quote a wise man who said
"Protip:  When The Cause leads you toward murdering children, find another cause."


NB John Brown's accomplices [not Brown himself] killed five adult slave trackers pro slavers and then later he and his men attacked the Harper's Ferry Armory. Where are all these dead children? Probably killed by the US army when it was putting down the Natives, because that seems to be where the "nits grow into lice" quote more likely comes from.

This thread is making my teeth itch.

with caveats, and "non-lingual" instead of "sub-lingual", and I agree








shit, that may be the spaggiest sentence I've ever typed

We should be so lucky.  

and just what was that supposed to mean? /tongueincheek

OK, so the Creature from the Black Lagoon turns up and your first reaction is to try and hold a conversation with it?  

I'd shoot the bastard.  Humans are bad enough.

Damn, Howl, you are implacable

He's a biped, and it wouldn't count as murder.

BOOM.  One less Warwick native gilled freak stinking the place up.

Speaking of fish people, where the fuck is Dimo, anyway?

Maybe he's the one that got away . . .
thank you and good night   

OK, so the Creature from the Black Lagoon turns up and your first reaction is to try and hold a conversation with it?  

I'd shoot the bastard.  Humans are bad enough.

Damn, Howl, you are implacable

Well, I am an asshole about this sort of thing because I care about it.   If I was talking to something that was not obviously human like me, and I was trying to determine if it was sentient and intelligent, I would try to determine whether it understood the things I wanted to express to it.  I would do so with language, preferably, and much lower on the list would be impressionistic painting and interpretive dance.

OK, so the Creature from the Black Lagoon turns up and your first reaction is to try and hold a conversation with it? My bet is that pantomime actions, you know -  interpretive dance without all the arty farty social underpinnings, grunting and pointing really, would be one of your first gambits. And scratching in the sand, the mother and father of the graphic arts, would probably be useful. You would be hard pressed to communicate with someone who was obviously human but did not share your cultural/linguistic heritage, are you really going to base your assessment of this alien's sentience on whether it speaks english? [or any recognisable human language, like they do in the movies]

Short of direct mind-to-mind interface, which I would not do under almost any circumstance, I cannot find out what is known to myself and others beyond all doubt, but the use of language used properly can remove much doubt.  Enough to be carrying on with, anyway. 

see, that's what I said earlier, its a useful heuristic. Half the time I don't understand what the flying fuck people on the net are saying [yes Howl, if you are still bothering to read, I realise that its because I'm stupid,] sometimes it is generational, sometimes its because we don't all share the same interests/knowledge base, and often it is based in national/cultural difference.

Proper use of language can indeed remove much doubt, but not all, and sometimes it is just enough to go with the flow and to understand that you don't understand and more to the point, to not actually give a damn. If the penny drops eventually that's great, if it doesn't, well it doesn't, que sera sera.