Principia Discordia

This is a no-wrong-answer question, just think about it and be creative. What is the mascot of the Principia Discordia community?

can you visualize an avatar that represents this thing?

Because i'm nice, i think Yatto posted the wrong post in the wrong thread.

Quote from: la neige cône on August 03, 2009, 04:14:12 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_(spider)

  (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/Smileys/default/asshatsmiley.gif)

 :ohnotache:

Quote from: 冷蔵庫 ც℧ℜℕ∫ on August 03, 2009, 04:21:12 AM
Because i'm nice, i think Yatto posted the wrong post in the wrong thread.

This leads to a headache-inducing mindfuck when I consider the possibility that all of Yattos posts are in the wrong threads, but would somehow make sense if put into their correct context. Ouch!

As for a mascot, my immediate thought was an angry interrobang eating TGRR's avatar, but that doesn't make much sense. Perhaps in another thread. Sorry.

 :magick:

:hosrie:

(http://sharetv.org/images/max_headroom-show.jpg)

I know I said there are no wrong answers, but I want to clarify my intent in starting this thread. I'm not asking for an image existing in our emote box.

I'm asking you to visualize a new avatar


is there an image, a character, a logo, a symbol of some sort which could stand for this loose network of Discordians who are all like "Think For Yourself Shmuck!" (and other things)

I'm thinking: Maybe a pterodactyl with glasses.

He's pretty well read, but when you see him you're still like -SWEET MERCIFUL FUCK!-

The Scrid.  I know it's not new, and I know currently it is linked to the PD.com/EB&G/POEE crowd, but I think he's a really good avatar/mascot to represent the TFY,S mentality.  Particularly I'm thinking of the original version Syn (or maybe it was someone else, I don't remember) cooked up.  (No offense Cram)  :wink:

my first thought was that furby with the expedition hat.

but then I realized I associate this guy with PD mostly: :lulz:

Actually I think both the scrid and the lulz icon are great answers. I want to develop these images a little bit more...

:lulz: is the same guy as  :horrormirth:    - let's think about this guy more

        why is he wearing a party hat? - what party is he at, anyway?
        why is he smoking a cigarette? why does he have a noisemaker?

I think he's outside, smoking a cig on the porch of the party. He's looking in the windows and laughing his ass off at someone about to get hit with a barstool.

The horrormirth icon - he doesn't have a cig, he has a noisemaker thing. Here, he's inside the party, participating. And he's overwhelmed with the horror of it all, the human condition.


(http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/design/1030681/type/png/width/130/height/130)

As for the Scrid

he's a many armed bartender. He can serve any drink. He seems to float. I think he's at the same party as the lulz guy.

The thing about the scrid is that he's in a service role. You go to the scrid and ask for something, he silently gives it to you. This doesn't seem like a typical PD interaction to me. (Unless sometimes you order a beer and he gives you a glass of pee or something)

For the scrid, I am particularily thinking of the version that has one of the hands pointing back at the viewer.  The other hands are pointing in various directions, I would pair this with the discussions we've had about Paths, representing the many different ways a person can go.  And the finger/hand pointing back at you is kind of, silently, begging the question.  "So, where are YOU going to go?" 

Whatever the mascot is, it's going to be filled with massive contradictions, and will probably be impossible to fit into any kind of avatar due to the massive amount of different things it would have to represent.

Even the most basic philosophies of this place engender massive screeds of debate, argument and flame wars. There is the hideous and the cute, the intellectual and the silly, the disgusting and the sublime, the violence and the apathy. All of these things are important to PD, and any mascot would need to in some way reflect each of them in some way.

Also, I reckon that a lot of the things we don't immediately identify as "being" from somewhere else have actually been taken from somewhere else anyway, we're just so used to it that we don't notice/remember that any more. Originality might be a difficult thing to achieve too.

One image kinda comes to mind though. A jailer in the background, with the inmate standing in the foreground and bars between them, but it being impossible to tell who is actually in the cell and who is outside it.

Dunno if that's worth anything.

Actually, I think it is.  If I were any good at arts and crafts I'd take a stab at it. 

Quote from: Payne on August 03, 2009, 03:29:41 PM
Whatever the mascot is, it's going to be filled with massive contradictions, and will probably be impossible to fit into any kind of avatar due to the massive amount of different things it would have to represent.

Even the most basic philosophies of this place engender massive screeds of debate, argument and flame wars. There is the hideous and the cute, the intellectual and the silly, the disgusting and the sublime, the violence and the apathy. All of these things are important to PD, and any mascot would need to in some way reflect each of them in some way.

I'm not asking for a perfectly accurate map of the territory. Any avatar, by its nature, is going to be a gross simplification. For example, Mickey Mouse doesn't directly represent the ongoing destruction of the public domain perpetrated by Disney. But because he's a malleable symbol, he CAN represent it:

(http://waxy.org/random/images/weblog/eldred.jpg)

QuoteOne image kinda comes to mind though. A jailer in the background, with the inmate standing in the foreground and bars between them, but it being impossible to tell who is actually in the cell and who is outside it.

I like the figure/ground puzzle in this image. I also like it if the jailer and inmate are the same person, maybe in reverse colors.

something like...

(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/blackironprisonlogoidea.png)

Quote from: Cramulus on August 03, 2009, 03:42:23 PM

Quote from: Payne on August 03, 2009, 03:29:41 PM
Whatever the mascot is, it's going to be filled with massive contradictions, and will probably be impossible to fit into any kind of avatar due to the massive amount of different things it would have to represent.

Even the most basic philosophies of this place engender massive screeds of debate, argument and flame wars. There is the hideous and the cute, the intellectual and the silly, the disgusting and the sublime, the violence and the apathy. All of these things are important to PD, and any mascot would need to in some way reflect each of them in some way.

I'm not asking for a perfectly accurate map of the territory. Any avatar, by its nature, is going to be a gross simplification. For example, Mickey Mouse doesn't directly represent the ongoing destruction of the public domain perpetrated by Disney. But because he's a malleable symbol, he CAN represent it:

[pic snip]

I understand you don't need a perfect representation. We already have a perfect representation which is the forum itself. I just think it needs to be quite complex to be of any real use.

Quote from: Cramulus on August 03, 2009, 03:42:23 PM

QuoteOne image kinda comes to mind though. A jailer in the background, with the inmate standing in the foreground and bars between them, but it being impossible to tell who is actually in the cell and who is outside it.

I like the figure/ground puzzle in this image. I also like it if the jailer and inmate are the same person, maybe in reverse colors.

something like...

(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/blackironprisonlogoidea.png)

Well, we could work with blue and orange, jailer and jailed as colours.

We can impose a number of meanings onto this if anyone asks about it, but it doesn't feel like it's too trite to me. Inmates running the asylum, you ARE in a cell like it or not, riffs on authority etc.

Quote from: Cramulus on August 03, 2009, 03:42:23 PM
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/blackironprisonlogoidea.png)

Awesome idea - I love it!
:mittens:

for me it will always be :sotw:

Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on August 03, 2009, 05:14:43 PM
for me it will always be :sotw:

BREAK IT DOWN
         /
:hammer:

i really though the ass-hat was a winner, it's Representative in so many ways  :lulz:... maybe a updated look with a  :horrormirth: tattoo on one arm and a bip on the other....


i will try to think of some fresh symbology for the pd experience..

actually

:lulz: this is our mascot

cant we go the geco insurance route and have an army of mascots? after all someone did want to make a BIP comic

Quote from: la neige cône on August 04, 2009, 09:09:37 PM
cant we go the geco insurance route and have an army of mascots? after all someone did want to make a BIP comic

that would make sense. How would you divvy up the different aspects of PD?

maybe a different mascot for each subforum?

Quote from: Payne on August 03, 2009, 04:24:17 PM

Quote from: Cramulus on August 03, 2009, 03:42:23 PM

QuoteOne image kinda comes to mind though. A jailer in the background, with the inmate standing in the foreground and bars between them, but it being impossible to tell who is actually in the cell and who is outside it.

I like the figure/ground puzzle in this image. I also like it if the jailer and inmate are the same person, maybe in reverse colors.

something like...

(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/blackironprisonlogoidea.png)

Well, we could work with blue and orange, jailer and jailed as colours.

We can impose a number of meanings onto this if anyone asks about it, but it doesn't feel like it's too trite to me. Inmates running the asylum, you ARE in a cell like it or not, riffs on authority etc.

Well, I tried to synthesize (color scheme), (jailer and prisoner indistinguishable), and proposed image above, with the following result:

(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa268/octareenroon91/bip-bo-hash.png)

Maybe without a margin:
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa268/octareenroon91/bip-idea-bo-02.png)

Maybe not...

A more realistic silhouette fare better in this treatment.

Quote from: yhnmzw on August 04, 2009, 11:08:42 PM
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa268/octareenroon91/bip-bo-hash.png)

this makes my brain cry.

i'd like to nominate a Faceless Man for mascot, or mascot inclusion, as Discordia can be pretty much anything to anyone. i.e.  you can project what you like onto it.

Quote from: Roaring Biscuit! on August 04, 2009, 11:15:23 PM

Quote from: yhnmzw on August 04, 2009, 11:08:42 PM
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa268/octareenroon91/bip-bo-hash.png)

this makes my brain cry.

i'd like to nominate a Faceless Man for mascot, or mascot inclusion, as Discordia can be pretty much anything to anyone. i.e.  you can project what you like onto it.

Mine too, tbh.

Quote from: Cramulus on August 04, 2009, 10:28:19 PM
that would make sense. How would you divvy up the different aspects of PD?

The rage of PD:
(http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/islamic_rage_boy.jpg)


The horrormirth of PD:
(http://www.gohappiness.org/The_Sad_Clown.jpg) or maybe (http://home.bellsouth.net/coDataImages/p/Groups/141/141946/folders/90328/603678clown1.jpg)

The antipathy of PD:
(http://www.superhobo.net/images/fuck-off-smokers.jpg)

The humor of PD:
(http://aquent.typepad.com/tims_a_day_in_the_life_bl/images/2007/08/23/34498382.jpg)

The intellect of PD:
(http://blogs.theage.com.au/schembri/hal9000.jpg)

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a29/RWHN/DrPepper.jpg)

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a29/RWHN/RHWNSEAL.jpg)

Quote from: Cainad on August 05, 2009, 03:18:15 AM

Quote from: Cramulus on August 04, 2009, 10:28:19 PM
that would make sense. How would you divvy up the different aspects of PD?

The horrormirth of PD:
(http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/islamic_rage_boy.jpg)


The rage of PD:
(http://www.gohappiness.org/The_Sad_Clown.jpg) or maybe (http://home.bellsouth.net/coDataImages/p/Groups/141/141946/folders/90328/603678clown1.jpg)

The intellect of PD:
(http://www.superhobo.net/images/fuck-off-smokers.jpg)

The antipathy of PD:
(http://aquent.typepad.com/tims_a_day_in_the_life_bl/images/2007/08/23/34498382.jpg)

The humour of PD:
(http://blogs.theage.com.au/schembri/hal9000.jpg)

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 03, 2009, 03:18:57 PM
For the scrid, I am particularily thinking of the version that has one of the hands pointing back at the viewer.  The other hands are pointing in various directions, I would pair this with the discussions we've had about Paths, representing the many different ways a person can go.  And the finger/hand pointing back at you is kind of, silently, begging the question.  "So, where are YOU going to go?" 

So, the Scrid is kind of a live-action Chaostar?

I'm thinking a pterodactyl with an erection, carrying a Golden Apple and smoking a pipe.

Or perhaps a cigar.

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on August 05, 2009, 03:40:13 PM

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 03, 2009, 03:18:57 PM
For the scrid, I am particularily thinking of the version that has one of the hands pointing back at the viewer.  The other hands are pointing in various directions, I would pair this with the discussions we've had about Paths, representing the many different ways a person can go.  And the finger/hand pointing back at you is kind of, silently, begging the question.  "So, where are YOU going to go?" 

So, the Scrid is kind of a live-action Chaostar?

Pretty much, I don't know if that was the inspiration for him or not, but I think he does have that application. 

He's a hyperintelligent squid, I have a feeling he can be anything he sets his cephalopodic mind to.

Actually, I think MMIX's fix to my post is a very good rundown of PD mascots.

Quote from: Cainad on August 05, 2009, 04:46:24 PM
Actually, I think MMIX's fix to my post is a very good rundown of PD mascots.

Indeed.
:aaa: :1fap:   :aaa: :1fap:

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on August 05, 2009, 03:43:58 PM
I'm thinking a pterodactyl with an erection, carrying a Golden Apple and smoking a pipe.

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus FuckOr perhaps a cigar.

[Freud voice] You know, sometimes a pterodactyl is just a pterodactyl [/Freud voice]

Freud  :tgrr:

There's always this guy, maybe with a golden apple?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Magritte_TheSonOfMan.jpg)

but he seems a little to serious.

I do like the Scrid though.  He's pointing every which way, floats wherever he damn well feels like floating, and has a totally unreadable expression on his face.

(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/magrittekface.png)

I'll vote for anything by Magritte no matter what the question is. Don't forget that he also did this:

(http://afsnitp.dk/plogultra/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/f956-magrittececi-n-est-pas-une-pomme-posters.jpg)

He liked apples a lot.

Would you say he was a hard-core fan? 

I like the Scrid.  Who was selling Scrid shirts?  I should have bought one.

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 07, 2009, 08:30:13 PM
Would you say he was a hard-core fan? 

:lulz:

There's also, "this is not a pipe."
Neither: http://taimapedia.420chan.org/wiki/Apple_pipe

Might I suggest:

(http://www.churchesforall.org.uk/pics/questionmark-symbol.gif)

Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on August 08, 2009, 02:01:10 AM
I like the Scrid.  Who was selling Scrid shirts?  I should have bought one.

I'm pretty sure that Syn is still selling them over at poee.co.uk 

I think PD's mascot should be Payne's mom.

ask me why.

Quote from: Triple Zero on August 10, 2009, 11:15:15 PM
I think PD's mascot should be Payne's mom.

ask me why.

Why?

cause she is Ma Scot!!

:rimshot:

good god.

Quote from: Triple Zero on August 10, 2009, 11:18:51 PM
cause she is Ma Scot!!

:rimshot:

I feel like I've just been punched in the face.

have you?

not backhanded by a clumsy cymbal player from a marching band?

Quote from: fictionpuss on August 10, 2009, 11:27:45 PM

Quote from: Triple Zero on August 10, 2009, 11:18:51 PM
cause she is Ma Scot!!

:rimshot:

I feel like I've just been punched in the face.

Quote from: Triple Zero on August 10, 2009, 11:18:51 PM
cause she is Ma Scot!!

:rimshot:

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a29/RWHN/RHWNSEAL.jpg)

BUMPED

because I saw a guest reading this thread

and there were some cool ideas ITT

How about a coat of arms with two angler fish interlocking their lanterns, twisting up to form a caduceus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus) without the snakes?

(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/335/anglerfishmascotk.gif)

edit: As the creator of this image I hereby release it into the public domain.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Damn. 


Net, you work fast and accurate.


I almost want to get a tattoo of that.

Cool! :mittens:

DAYUM.

If you like it, better download it fast before he decides to renege and delete it.

& enjoy hoopla's witty commentary before he flounces again  :lulz:

My flounce, or Net's?

I still have at least 2 weeks until next flounce... in case you needed to bake a cake or something and wanted a timeline.

I also like the scrid. Maybe it could be updated to have a hand puppet on each tentacle. Y'know, like we're each an individual, but still part of a larger beast. Mebbe...

Quote from: Horrendous Foreign Love Stoat on February 12, 2010, 04:20:56 PM
If net does not mind, I'd like to try and make a stencil of him, that would totally not be used at all, ever, under any circumstances, to be turned upside-down, and sprayed onto billboards, as an anglerfistache. because that would be freaking awesome.

Mind you my stencils are messy, so I'd probably not do it justice.

I edited my post to "kopyleft" it.

I only intended it as a digital sketch, but have at it.

You might want to wait for the version that's cleaned up a bit, which I'm also releasing into the wild.

I'll also supply EPS, AI, and PDF files for general dicking around.

If you're gonna clean it up, might I suggest that the angler fish isn't that clearly an angler fish to me? As a logo or icon, it's a bit too much like a black blob. Don't angler fish have these really long needly teeth? Maybe get those in profile for recognition value?

Second draft, just so you know I haven't forgot:

(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5500/anglerfishmascotredrawn.png)

Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on March 06, 2010, 11:59:01 AM
Second draft, just so you know I haven't forgot:

(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5500/anglerfishmascotredrawn.png)

Quoted to show what it looks like with a background color.

Much better contrast against the quote bg.

:mittens:

Draft 3:
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/7830/anglerfishmascotinpyram.png)

Black and white:
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7830/anglerfishmascotinpyram.png)

Why angler fish? Just for the LOLrandom factor?

It was suggested by Xooxe to imitate a caduceus with angler fish which I thought was not only brilliant but appropriate.

One of the unique things about this forum is the trolling and pranking which comes naturally to many people here. I think it is an identifying feature of the community.

Trolling and pranking tend to have a theme of tricking people into taking bait whereupon the victim is then bitten savagely and usually swallowed in big chunks.

This forum is not a place for healing as a caduceus would indicate, it's quite the opposite:

• wings found on a traditional caduceus fly in the air, angler fish live in the deep
• the "caduceus" is flipped vertically
• aligned with the sociopolitical symbolism of a pyramid, the angler fish are the lower class baiting the elite so they can eat them
• the kallisti apple is the disorder that rich people desire who have too much control over the ordering of their lives, the pentagon is the order that poor people desire who have more disorder and less control over the ordering of their lives
• order gained by the act of trying to disorder the lives of the people who want to keep them in poverty
• disorder gained by trying to order peoples lives in exploitative ways

The fractal is the LOLrandom factor which moves the viewer's eye between disorder and order, chaos being the interplay between the two.

that's fecking brilliant!!

do you have a name for this monstrosity?

Quote from: Cramulus on March 10, 2010, 01:21:38 AM
that's fecking brilliant!!

do you have a name for this monstrosity?

Thanks Cram.

"Angler fish mascot 3" is about as far as I got with the name.

So, all of the iterations of the angler fish mascot that I made in this thread are public domain.

I'll post the various file formats for people to do with as they please for the final version or upon request for any version.

Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on March 09, 2010, 09:09:21 AM
Draft 3:
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/7830/anglerfishmascotinpyram.png)

Black and white:
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7830/anglerfishmascotinpyram.png)

Is fucking gorgeous.

Oh, crap.

TOADFISH MONASTERY, COME HOME!  ALL IS FORGIVEN!

NIIIIICE

SAVED!

Quote from: Triple Zero on August 01, 2010, 10:45:56 PM
NIIIIICE

SAVED!

:)

I do not believe you need to attribute this to me if you use it. Actually, I'd prefer you didn't. I had to use that Creative Commons License because of the fractal, though the creator of it didn't specify his or her name or ask for any specific attribution info but did clearly use the same license.

I think it should be fine for almost everything you'd want to use it for including commercial work, except for a trademark. To make it truly public domain I think there's a bunch of hoops I'd have to jump through, including getting a new high res Julia set fractal which I'd probably wait to do until after this quarter is over.

If anyone wants particular separate pieces of the image to play around with or the native file, just shoot me a message and they're yours.

these are fuckin bangin, net!

Now we need a forum theme which incorporates this kickass image

triangular forum theme? Intriguing idea ...

Sounds like a cute idea to me. 

:cramstipated:

OH FUCK

Didn't see that one until the second go-around.

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 03, 2010, 02:28:04 PM
Sounds like a cute idea to me. 

:crankey:

Fuck you, I'm on vacation!

:mrgreen:

:argh!:

But seriously.  Awesome graphic!  Would look good on a mug. 

Thanks! :)

out of curiosity, why is there a triangle in the top and left corners but not the left one?


also, net, as the artist you also get to name these guys  :)

Quote from: Cramulus on August 03, 2010, 04:08:45 PM
out of curiosity, why is there a triangle in the top and left corners but not the left one?


also, net, as the artist you also get to name these guys  :)

Ah, that was an accident, at first. I like it though because it gives it a bit of scale and visual interest. The left corner already has visual weight because our eyes are naturally drawn to the beginning of a line of type.

But I'm at a loss for a name...

I thought the top triangle was a bit crooked cause it's behind the Kallisti apple.

hodge and podge? a bit cheesy eh

the Equilateral Anglers?

The Right Anglers.


I have a feeling there are at least three layers of symbolism there...

Quote from: Iason Ouabache on August 03, 2009, 08:30:40 AM
(http://sharetv.org/images/max_headroom-show.jpg)

I remember that show. Max would make a great mascot.