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Do What You Love

Started by LMNO, January 17, 2014, 04:07:21 PM

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Salty

Yeah, I may sweat and hurt myself and freak out daily about my business, but if it were not for circumstances beyond my power to change I would not be able to do so.

Even if my field is more of a challenge as a male than if I were fenale.

I:
Speak well and professionally, due to quality (German) education, luck.
Possess the phsicality to do my work, no double joints, weakness, disability, or other physical limits.
Was able to get my education at all because of the wealth and stability of my surroinding economy and socio political environment

I worked graveyard security while I.went.to massage school. Midnight to 8am, then school from 9 to 5pm.

Yeah it was a lot of hard work, yeah there was no immediate and apparent support.

I did those things, and sweated for it, But the idea that that is all it takes is flawed.

To accomplish anything worthwhile you have to USE your privalige, and dont cheapen it. Give credit where credit is due. Take pride in your hard.work and effort, give praise to the environment which allows you to do so.
The world is a car and you're the crash test dummy.

tyrannosaurus vex

A great majority of the things people usually attribute to "luck" is in fact privilege, it's just disguised as unintentional happy circumstance.
Evil and Unfeeling Arse-Flenser From The City of the Damned.

Anna Mae Bollocks

Quote from: V3X on January 19, 2014, 09:01:13 PM
A great majority of the things people usually attribute to "luck" is in fact privilege, it's just disguised as unintentional happy circumstance.

They're "The Elect".
They used "The Secret" or "The Power of Positive Thinking" or whatever the stupid book is for this decade.
Etc.
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The Good Reverend Roger

This is getting pretty dismal.

No matter how hard you work, or how hard you try, everything is just privilege in the end.

You are apparently not allowed to feel good about anything, without making sure to feel guilty about it.  It's almost like everyone ran out and became Catholic while I wasn't looking.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

tyrannosaurus vex

I can see that argument. But it isn't all bad. I have said elsewhere that recognizing one's privilege is no excuse not to capitalize on it (in some cases). I will always be privileged in some sense and unprivileged in another sense. I have a brother who was never any less privileged than I was, but he has done nothing useful in his life despite that privilege. So it isn't like privilege is all that went into it.
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: V3X on January 20, 2014, 01:54:58 AM
I can see that argument. But it isn't all bad. I have said elsewhere that recognizing one's privilege is no excuse not to capitalize on it (in some cases). I will always be privileged in some sense and unprivileged in another sense. I have a brother who was never any less privileged than I was, but he has done nothing useful in his life despite that privilege. So it isn't like privilege is all that went into it.

The way I see it, the privilege argument seems to be morphing into a "you can only be ashamed of failure, never proud of success."  If you fail, the failure is yours.  If you succeed, it was privilege.

It's turning from "how do we recognize when we have advantages we didn't earn?" to "self-flagellation". 



" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

I mean, the article in the OP has already told me that if I like my job, I am the enemy of the working man.  By that standard, I should remain in the horror show that I currently work in, because I'm not doing what I like.

Misery porn.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Left

I thought it was not so much feeling guilty, as just recognizing that the good luck you were born into or stumbled into in life doesn't make you necessarily superior  to anyone else or anything.

Not so much "don't be proud of yourself " its' "don't shit on others."

...We don't have a choice but to work, so we might as well try to feel good about something we don't have a choice but to do.
...Just saying, it's more adaptive.
Hope was the thing with feathers.
I smacked it with a hammer until it was red and squashy

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 20, 2014, 01:41:24 AM
This is getting pretty dismal.

No matter how hard you work, or how hard you try, everything is just privilege in the end.

You are apparently not allowed to feel good about anything, without making sure to feel guilty about it.  It's almost like everyone ran out and became Catholic while I wasn't looking.

I think you may be missing the point of the article, which was really based in the increasing income equality and the factors behind it. This even effects my field of interest, and most academic fields; you love it? You must be willing to do it for free, then, to get a toehold. I'll be in school probably close to ten years, total, and I am unlikely to ever top 100k per year even if I am one of the lucky ones. Hard work and privilege notwithstanding. The article addresses this. It was not about not working hard or not taking pride in your work, it was about the system that benefits from the idea that you should do what you love.

I'm not quite ready to stop examining that system with a critical eye, just because on a very tiny level I'm doing OK in it.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 20, 2014, 02:02:32 AM
I mean, the article in the OP has already told me that if I like my job, I am the enemy of the working man.  By that standard, I should remain in the horror show that I currently work in, because I'm not doing what I like.

Misery porn.

I'm not getting a very strong impression that you actually read the article.

The "Do What You Love" ethic described in the article is the same one that causes the ivory-tower academic to look down his nose at the mere maintenance manager.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Ben Shapiro

Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 17, 2014, 06:44:32 PM
All I know is that I hate my job, I hate my fucking coworkers, and every day I hate myself a little more for sitting here hating it all.  I put up with this shit so that my daughter can go to a solvent school.  That situation is almost over, fortunately.

I know people who do what they love.  They aren't working unpaid overtime (except, of course, for the ones who work for themselves) or smiling contentedly as they get sodomized by rich liberals or whatever.  They're making a living.  One's a photographer, one's a chemist, etc.

I get where the article is going.  But I also have to ask, who gains by the idea that you should have to hate your job or you're some kind of sell out?

Indie bands who get a deal?

Ben Shapiro

Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 20, 2014, 01:41:24 AM
This is getting pretty dismal.

No matter how hard you work, or how hard you try, everything is just privilege in the end.

You are apparently not allowed to feel good about anything, without making sure to feel guilty about it.  It's almost like everyone ran out and became Catholic while I wasn't looking.

Hate the game not the player?

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 20, 2014, 02:15:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 20, 2014, 03:33:42 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 20, 2014, 02:02:32 AM
I mean, the article in the OP has already told me that if I like my job, I am the enemy of the working man.  By that standard, I should remain in the horror show that I currently work in, because I'm not doing what I like.

Misery porn.

I'm not getting a very strong impression that you actually read the article.

The "Do What You Love" ethic described in the article is the same one that causes the ivory-tower academic to look down his nose at the mere maintenance manager.

Oh, I got that part.  I just refuse to allow MBA-speak to replace English.

The fact that someone loves what they do doesn't justify extended internships (or unpaid internships in the corporate world), nor does it justify unpaid overtime, etc.

And the author has accepted the MBA speak, and called the whole concept of doing what you love into question, rather than the MBA tards' corruption of it.

But then it sort of drifted into a conversation about privilege.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 20, 2014, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 20, 2014, 02:15:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 20, 2014, 03:33:42 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 20, 2014, 02:02:32 AM
I mean, the article in the OP has already told me that if I like my job, I am the enemy of the working man.  By that standard, I should remain in the horror show that I currently work in, because I'm not doing what I like.

Misery porn.

I'm not getting a very strong impression that you actually read the article.

The "Do What You Love" ethic described in the article is the same one that causes the ivory-tower academic to look down his nose at the mere maintenance manager.

Oh, I got that part.  I just refuse to allow MBA-speak to replace English.

The fact that someone loves what they do doesn't justify extended internships (or unpaid internships in the corporate world), nor does it justify unpaid overtime, etc.

And the author has accepted the MBA speak, and called the whole concept of doing what you love into question, rather than the MBA tards' corruption of it.

But then it sort of drifted into a conversation about privilege.

Bullshit. The author isn't talking about loving your work. He's talking about what is essentially a sponsored meme that has become epidemic in our culture, that true success and self-realization are dependent upon finding what you love, and making it your life's work. That meme, that MBA-speak as you call it, devalues the work that people do because they need to, and it discounts entirely the employer's responsibility to make such work meaningful, so that workers who are doing what they must instead of what they love can still take pride in the work they do, and find satisfaction in doing it well.

Yes, privilege is a factor in that, as it is in everything. Are we supposed to pretend it isn't? I'm not buying into the "if you can do it, anyone can" bullshit because I know perfectly well what external factors assisted my ability to do what I'm doing.

Did you actually read the article? Maybe you should try re-reading it.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

In short, the article doesn't say "don't love your work", it says "stop buying into the bullshit, it hurts everybody".
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."