http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1038747/The-world-shocked-Italian-sunbathers-ignoring-dead-gipsy-girls--But-Italy-showing-chilling-Roma-children.html
QuoteIt was the week's most shocking picture: gipsy girls dead on a beach ignored by sunbathers... Now there is more chilling evidence of how Italy's brutal crackdown on the Roma has sick echoes of the country's fascist past.
She looks like any teenager the world over. Wearing a denim skirt, pink designer T-shirt, and with long hair tied back from her face, Samantha is a child who would make any parent proud.
Yet just a few days ago, this bubbly 14-year-old found herself taking part in an excercise that would seem unthinkable in a modern, civilised European country.
She was ordered to line up at the local community hall near her home in Naples, Italy, and dab her right forefinger in black ink before placing it on a government census form.
Samantha was photographed and given an identity code - F43 - as officials asked for her full name, address, age, religion and where she was born.
Most controversially of all, she was told to state her ethnic background.
Every detail, including the fact that her parents are immigrant Roma gipsies from Serbia, was catalogued and put on a national computer system.
She was mortified. Her eyes bright with anger, Samantha said she felt like a villain in the only country she has ever known.
'That same day, the Italian kids started calling me "gyppo" in the streets.
They pointed at me and laughed. I felt like shouting back and saying: 'I am Italian just like you. I was born here too.
'But I didn't dare, in case I started a riot.'
Samantha was taking part in a compulsory new census of Italy's 160,000 Roma people, promised by the inflammatory Right-wing premier Silvio Berlusconi in the run-up to his successful election this spring.
Anyone with a sense of the past would be forgiven for a strong feeling of foreboding about what is happening.
Thousands of migrants, many of them Roma gipsies from the old communist bloc and racially troubled Balkans, have poured into the country since the dismantling of border controls across a greatly expanded European Union in 2004.
The huge diaspora was political good fortune for 73-year-old Berlusconi.
In a country where fascism under dictator Benito Mussolini thrived until the end of World War II, Berlusconi warned of a 'Roma emergency' in big cities and produced a dossier of dubious figures alleging foreigners were involved in half of Italy's attempted murders, muggings and robberies.
The interior minister went further. Roberto Maroni, a leader of the anti-immigrant Northern League aligned with Berlusconi's nationalist Forza Italia party, claimed the controversial census and fingerprinting was essential to discover 'who is entitled to be here and who is not'.
It would stop anonymous armies of Roma children being sent out begging or stealing by their families, 60 per cent of whom have no identity papers or passports, he claimed.
Gipsy people with the right to stay would be re-housed in 'decent conditions rather than with rats'. The remainder, Maroni made clear, could expect deportation.
The article goes on, but you should read some of the comments on the story. Or maybe not, since they are quite disgusting.
Examples include:
They are only doing what the UK should have done years ago. All illegal immigrants should be registered.
- swisschris, New Malden , UK., 26/7/2008 7:34
Bit extreme. But over here imagine what we would be saying about their human rights? How come they can do it there, but in Britain we are hamstrung by that law?
In many ways we should be doing something similar. Keeping control and track of immigrants. Never mind, they will probably all come over here now and we will give them houses and benefits, and they can still carry on stealing for pocket money and no one will have a clue as to who they are and where they are except when they claim their money.
- Chris Puddy, Hay on Wye, United Kingdom, 26/7/2008 9:15
What total exaggeration. The Italian people are deeply worried about the impossibility of
integrating the Roma into society; Roma are a people determined to stay outside society's mainstream. In doing so they engage in much criminal activity. Assuredly if had tried to integrate they would have been left alone.
The Italians have a non xenophobic attitude to foreigners but they are being driven to desperate measures to try and get a grip.
Once again the EU, by allowing unrestricted free flows of peoples, have caused problems where none existed.
To bring up fascism as an agent of these moves is deeply insulting to the Italian people.
Roma should integrate or get out.
- JD, London, 26/7/2008 9:16
Good for Italy, they are one of the very few countries that have the guts to do anything about these vermin. Until you have experienced what these thieves are like, you cannot comment on any hardship or sympathy that they may deem to want.
- Mike Jones, Farnborough, Hampshire, 26/7/2008 9:30
I blame the EU for being too lenient about immigration matters in the first place. Eventually this is bound to lead to this sort of attitude.
- Nathalie, Manchester, UK, 26/7/2008 10:12
'Bout bloody time! Let's get it started over here as well.
- Ghengis, Little Snoring, 26/7/2008 10:21
I'm, in no way, condoning what Italy is doing, but these people are parasites. They need to get educated and employment and assimilate into civilized society. It's year 2008 for God's sake.
- Olga, Los Angeles, USA, 26/7/2008 10:23
What do people expect in this era of Liberal madness, the mixture of cultures simply does not work, time is proving it, it is nothing to do with racism, these people should be judged on their behaviour and how they destroy previously good countries step by step.
- Common Sense, London, England, 26/7/2008 10:27
A country wanting to clear out illegal immigrants? How dreadful, the UK should be doing this.
- Nige B, Pudsey, 26/7/2008 10:30
If they want to be treated as "equals", maybe they should choose to live in dwellings with plumbing, not camps and they should send their children to school, not to steal on the street.
- Gabrielle, London, UK, 26/7/2008 10:30
The Italians have had enough! Most of the crime, sometimes with extreme violence, is by illegal immigrants mostly Roma. Next stop UK!
- martyn robinson, northampton uk, 26/7/2008 10:34
I wish we had a government that was half as tough on immigration.
- The Tory, Oxford, UK, 26/7/2008 10:43
We need this kind of government here too. Why don't people stop tippy toeing around these issues for fear of upsetting a tiny few? what about the feeling of the majority?
- Billy h, Hull, 26/7/2008 10:53
:x Dammit. This is going to get worse before it gets better, isn't it?
2010, the Tories come to power in the UK (unless something amazing happens). On the back of their "broken society" meme, which has been picked up on, transmitted and amplified by the right wing press. Prime Minister Cameron, using the tax-raises mentioned recently, pledges to build several new prisons, create longer sentences and keeps his promise to unify the British border and customs officials into a Border Security unit. The even more empowered right wing press, seeing the success in getting PM Cameron to lock up kids who are carrying knives because the media is telling them everyone else and they want to protect themselves, then turns on immigrants as the criminal Other, the enemy within.
God dammit.
Time to leave the country, Cain?
As a Canadian who doesn't want to "integrate into mainstream society" will I, or you, or pretty much anyone with the wrong passport, wrong accent or wrong colour of skin be found dead in some public place, with the good people of Britain ignoring our festering corpses?
The laughs this century provides will kill me yet...
Thanks for reminding me why I hate humans. I need that every now and then. How long will it be before I can just move to the moon and forget about this dump?
Quote from: Cain on July 26, 2008, 04:24:22 PM
2010, the Tories come to power in the UK (unless something amazing happens). On the back of their "broken society" meme, which has been picked up on, transmitted and amplified by the right wing press. Prime Minister Cameron, using the tax-raises mentioned recently, pledges to build several new prisons, create longer sentences and keeps his promise to unify the British border and customs officials into a Border Security unit. The even more empowered right wing press, seeing the success in getting PM Cameron to lock up kids who are carrying knives because the media is telling them everyone else and they want to protect themselves, then turns on immigrants as the criminal Other, the enemy within.
So basically what just happened in America over the last decade. I love my country!
I LOVE this decade.
:vom:
Things are finally going to get interesting.
Quote from: Dr. Payne on July 26, 2008, 05:26:05 PM
God dammit.
Time to leave the country, Cain?
You might as well stay and fight it. It'll just follow you if you don't.
The upside is that I can see the Tories and SNP thrashing out a deal for complete devolution of Scotland from the Union, meaning I wont have to swim the Channel if I need to leave the country quickly.
Quote from: Cain on July 26, 2008, 04:24:22 PM
2010, the Tories come to power in the UK (unless something amazing happens). On the back of their "broken society" meme, which has been picked up on, transmitted and amplified by the right wing press. Prime Minister Cameron, using the tax-raises mentioned recently, pledges to build several new prisons, create longer sentences and keeps his promise to unify the British border and customs officials into a Border Security unit. The even more empowered right wing press, seeing the success in getting PM Cameron to lock up kids who are carrying knives because the media is telling them everyone else and they want to protect themselves, then turns on immigrants as the criminal Other, the enemy within.
When humans lose the ability to reproduce, let me know.
*Saw this movie*
Quote from: Cain on July 26, 2008, 04:24:22 PM
2010, the Tories come to power in the UK (unless something amazing happens). On the back of their "broken society" meme, which has been picked up on, transmitted and amplified by the right wing press. Prime Minister Cameron, using the tax-raises mentioned recently, pledges to build several new prisons, create longer sentences and keeps his promise to unify the British border and customs officials into a Border Security unit. The even more empowered right wing press, seeing the success in getting PM Cameron to lock up kids who are carrying knives because the media is telling them everyone else and they want to protect themselves, then turns on immigrants as the criminal Other, the enemy within.
I told my grandfather about this. He didn't see the humor.
When I was in Harrow last week, we went to the mall in the downtown area. Near the bus station. At 1200 noon, the cops came out and put a portable metal detector within the entrance to the mall. So by the time we came out after buying our cinema tickets, the detectors were set up at the bottom, about half a dozen cops milling around, getting ready to stop anyone who looked "suspicious" enough to need to go through them.
It was the day that school let out, so by the time the kids were out of school, they had this all rigged up and ready to go. When we came out of the mall as we were going to lunch, they didn't make me, my kids or my husband's 22 year old female cousin go through. When we came BACK to the mall, they didn't make us go through then, either. But they had within their custody a young Middle Eastern male, had his cell phone and some unidentifiable object in a plastic baggy next to him, and it looked like he was being simultaneously patted down and questioned.
I cannot imagine this happening at my local mall, but I can imagine people calling out for it and its eventual, unfortunate implementation.
Oh yes, the metal detectors. Almost as good as the SUS Laws, in alienating blacks, Asians and teenagers from the police force via selective use of enforcement. The police have all but admitted to the press that these are used entirely on 'suspect' profiles, which means....well, exactly the description above.
Did I mention I got stopped and searched by Anti-Terrorism police on my first day of being in London, when going to meet with Lizzie? That was fun too. You are legally obligated to give up the information requested by the police officer, including identity, purpose of visit, contact details and a detailed physical description.
But anyway, this is the meme that the Tories are pushing: http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/33089/part_3/its-the-broken-society-stupid.thtml
QuoteBritain may or may not be blighted by a feral media but many people are in no doubt, as this week's survey from Barnardo's reveals, that we are blighted by a feral youth, often financed and fuelled by drugs, which is out of control and beyond the law. Every day brings fresh horror stories from the frontline of the Broken Society: teenagers are shot in their beds in gangland tit-for-tat killings; a youth is chased through the streets of West London by a gang of 14-year-olds shouting 'Kill him, kill him' — which they do when they catch him, with a stab to the heart. This week another schoolboy was murdered in a pre-arranged mass gang brawl in Beckenham: he was beaten to a pulp with chains and baseball bats, then stabbed in the back.
Britain is now living with the consequences of allowing an underclass to take root and fester. When, as editor of the Sunday Times, I tried to highlight what was happening 20 years ago, nobody wanted to know: the Right said there was no such thing as an underclass, the Left that it was just the poorest part of the working class. Both were wrong.
That the underclass exists cannot now be doubted by those with eyes to see, though some fashionable opinion-formers still try to wish it away. Nor is it necessarily poor: quite often the underclass is reasonably cash-rich, thanks to welfare benefits, crime and the black economy; but it is increasingly severed, in attitude and cultural values, from the rest of society. And (another popular misconception) it has very little in common with even the most deprived of the old working class: the underclass does not form brass bands, go to night school or strive to find the best state schools for their children.
So far our response to a growing underclass has been containment: it has been herded into reservations we call sink estates, where the rest of us hope it will stay out of sight and out of mind. Its members speak their own variants of English (now well enough recognised for comedians to mock), wear their own style of clothes (which middle-class kids sometimes copy) and have no respect for the police or the laws that bind the rest of us. Nor do they have much regard for the world of work or educational achievement: traditional values such as thrift, endeavour and marriage are alien.
Its the return of the Undeserving Poor, the lumpenproletariat getting ready to cause anarchy on the streets of the UK.
And like all such memes, its pure, unadulterated
bullshit. Some of the so-called poorest and most violent parts of London are places where I actually have friends. Would you walk down certain streets with a little bit of trepidation? Sure, but I have friends who have gone out drinking in such areas for years and had to deal with nothing worse than some mouthy git while walking home at 2am. Its not like parts of San Jose, for example, where Lizzie basically states walking down the street in the wrong colours is signing a virtual death warrant.
To quote Bill Hicks "you [Brits] do not have crime like we have crime. And you should be grateful for it." More importantly, crime is down, not only according to government figures, but also according to police figures. They quibble on the details, but the essential point remains, undeniably, that crime IS down. Yet fear of crime is higher than ever. The polls even reflect this - people readily admit crime is not high in their own areas, but have a heightened perception of crime in parts of the country they do not live in.
So whats going to happen, when Cameron gets to power and has to deal with a non-existent crime wave? Can he even do such a thing? I'm sure he'll spin a lovely tale and put on a fantastic show - a veritable force of arms will be poured into the "wrong" neighbourhoods, where the unfashionable and uncultured "undeserving poor" live, and are made subject to ever increasing levels of humiliation and control. But that's not enough, and it never will be. There isn't the actual, you know, dealing of badwrong people going on, mainly because such people exist in the heads of the sort of people who comment on the story in the OP. So who will they turn on next?
Well, the Muslims and asylum seekers, the immigrants with their funny accents stealing our jobs and eating our swans, we'll, they're
always a fair target, aren't they?
Apparently, the public are being told these ne'er-do-well darky teens are carrying KNIVES...and there were so many instances of knife-fights, etc. that the detectors are necessary for "public safety."
You know, like Gitmo and the Patriot Acts...
And its not true, of course.
Goddamn, the next person who, in all seriousness, tells me knife crime is actually, REALLY REALLY UP and that if I go outside I WILL GET STABBED SO I BETTER SHIT MY PANTS RIGHT NOW is going to see some real fucking crime, when I jam a copy of the Daily Mail up their arse, sideways.
As my compatriot in blogging the knife non-crimewave, Five Chinese Crackers has repeatedly pointed out, all the indictators show that crime of this sort is down. Knife crime has dropped by 14%, robbery is down by 24%, youth violence is down by 7% and homicide is down by 12% in London alone.
http://www.mpa.gov.uk/downloads/committees/mpa/080724-11-appendix01.pdf
Another stat that has popped up has been in the Daily Mail. According to the Mail, it has 'Revealed: The truth about knife crime - it has soared by 35 per cent in some parts of Britain'. The story includes a handy Daily Mail table - hurrah! - that reveals that in more than half of the police forces in England & Wales, the number of knife crimes actually dropped.
18 of them recorded a drop, 2 remained the same and 14 got worse. Of those 14, only 4 recorded a rise of 35% or more, and that includes Cumbria, which went up from 8 to 13, and North wales, which went up from 14 to 29. A more accurate headline would be 'The truth about knife crime - it has dropped in most parts of the country'.
I didn't doubt that this was the case. Seemed to be a jumped up figure, especially when it changed so radically from person to person you talked to and asked about it. But when my son asked his cousin why the detectors were there "all of a sudden," she answered about the "knife crimes being up." Something my other (older) son corroborated from the news he'd heard on the television the night before, apparently.
CRIME IS UP! SHIT YOUR PANCE! MORE CCTV CAMERAS! MORE LAWS! MORE POLICING POWERS!
UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!
Quote from: CainDid I mention I got stopped and searched by Anti-Terrorism police on my first day of being in London, when going to meet with Lizzie? That was fun too. You are legally obligated to give up the information requested by the police officer, including identity, purpose of visit, contact details and a detailed physical description.
To be fair you do always sorta look a little suspicious. :wink:
Security stopped me too at the airport, which is odd because I'm never stopped. It took all of 30 seconds though, hell they just looked through my purse. I must say I was a little disappointed. :|
Fuck this.
From now on I wil be carrying a very pointy stick with me wherever I go.
Non-metal stabbity!
i havent read the article, only a few of the comments from the article...
Also, I'm going to be honest here, and someone probably will call me a racist but everytime I see some stranger from middle eastren descent or an asian, I seem to think "OMFG ITS A SPY TRYING TO HARM MY MOTHERLAND, AAAAAAAAAAAAH." seriously, this is what i think... it must be the animal instinct built into me. I know it doesn't feel right to think that right away, and I'm sure a lot of those strangers I see are really decent people... but I still think that initially...
and... about what lizzie said regarding some parts of california, how walking down the street in the wrong colour is pretty much signing your own death warrant... (LMFAO @ THE WONDERFULL WORK OF THE POLICE."To serve, and protect. "To secure and clean up the aftermath"...
:P
You're a racist and a fascist.
Well done, Canada must be proud of you. Now rack off and go join the jabbering loons on Adam Yoshida's site. You'll fit in much better.
Cain he gets his information from "infowars"
you might be giving him too much credit
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on July 28, 2008, 02:52:55 PM
Cain he gets his information from "infowars"
you might be giving him too much credit
Adam Yoshida gets his worldview from Dinesh D'Souza, a man who nearly married Ann Coulter.
Infowars has nothing on this guy.
Quote from: itsmoday... on July 28, 2008, 02:36:15 PM
i havent read the article, only a few of the comments from the article...
Also, I'm going to be honest here, and someone probably will call me a racist but everytime I see some stranger from middle eastren descent or an asian, I seem to think "OMFG ITS A SPY TRYING TO HARM MY MOTHERLAND, AAAAAAAAAAAAH." seriously, this is what i think... it must be the animal instinct built into me. I know it doesn't feel right to think that right away, and I'm sure a lot of those strangers I see are really decent people... but I still think that initially...
and... about what lizzie said regarding some parts of california, how walking down the street in the wrong colour is pretty much signing your own death warrant... (LMFAO @ THE WONDERFULL WORK OF THE POLICE."To serve, and protect. "To secure and clean up the aftermath"...
:P
Thank you for your honesty, you racist fuckbag.
Quote from: itsmoday... on July 28, 2008, 02:36:15 PM
i havent read the article, only a few of the comments from the article...
Also, I'm going to be honest here, and someone probably will call me a racist but everytime I see some stranger from middle eastren descent or an asian, I seem to think "OMFG ITS A SPY TRYING TO HARM MY MOTHERLAND, AAAAAAAAAAAAH." seriously, this is what i think... it must be the animal instinct built into me. I know it doesn't feel right to think that right away, and I'm sure a lot of those strangers I see are really decent people... but I still think that initially...
and... about what lizzie said regarding some parts of california, how walking down the street in the wrong colour is pretty much signing your own death warrant... (LMFAO @ THE WONDERFULL WORK OF THE POLICE."To serve, and protect. "To secure and clean up the aftermath"...
:P
:eek:
If you have no control over your racist programming... you should probably work on that.
I am building a rocket.
I am moving to the moon.
Fuck this noise.
When I first started reading this thread, I wanted to beat somebody. Anybody- mostly any fascist faggot who seriously likes to see this stuff happen, but I would've settled for anyone who annoyed me.
But now I'm just sad.
On a personal note, just because you name-checked Nas in order to say "nigger" doesn't mean I won't get annoyed at your use of "faggot".
Quote from: LMNO on July 28, 2008, 05:00:44 PM
On a personal note, just because you name-checked Nas in order to say "nigger" doesn't mean I won't get annoyed at your use of "faggot".
Wait, are you saying that using "faggot" as a derogatory term when railing against people who are bigots doesn't make sense?!
Quote from: Darth Cupcake on July 28, 2008, 05:01:52 PM
Quote from: LMNO on July 28, 2008, 05:00:44 PM
On a personal note, just because you name-checked Nas in order to say "nigger" doesn't mean I won't get annoyed at your use of "faggot".
Wait, are you saying that using "faggot" as a derogatory term when railing against people who are bigots doesn't make sense?!
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Quote from: Ratatosk on July 28, 2008, 04:28:04 PM
Quote from: itsmoday... on July 28, 2008, 02:36:15 PM
i havent read the article, only a few of the comments from the article...
Also, I'm going to be honest here, and someone probably will call me a racist but everytime I see some stranger from middle eastren descent or an asian, I seem to think "OMFG ITS A SPY TRYING TO HARM MY MOTHERLAND, AAAAAAAAAAAAH." seriously, this is what i think... it must be the animal instinct built into me. I know it doesn't feel right to think that right away, and I'm sure a lot of those strangers I see are really decent people... but I still think that initially...
and... about what lizzie said regarding some parts of california, how walking down the street in the wrong colour is pretty much signing your own death warrant... (LMFAO @ THE WONDERFULL WORK OF THE POLICE."To serve, and protect. "To secure and clean up the aftermath"...
:P
:eek:
If you have no control over your racist programming... you should probably work on that.
Well, at least I notice it and truthfully, I know its wrong of me to automatically think the worst of people who are foreign to me. I dno't HATE them for their heritage, I just said that is my initial thoughts, which suck.. and I would like to have friends who are from a completely different culture then mine... the thing is I've always been surrounded by dickheads like myself...
Quote from: itsmoday... on July 28, 2008, 11:49:07 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on July 28, 2008, 04:28:04 PM
Quote from: itsmoday... on July 28, 2008, 02:36:15 PM
i havent read the article, only a few of the comments from the article...
Also, I'm going to be honest here, and someone probably will call me a racist but everytime I see some stranger from middle eastren descent or an asian, I seem to think "OMFG ITS A SPY TRYING TO HARM MY MOTHERLAND, AAAAAAAAAAAAH." seriously, this is what i think... it must be the animal instinct built into me. I know it doesn't feel right to think that right away, and I'm sure a lot of those strangers I see are really decent people... but I still think that initially...
and... about what lizzie said regarding some parts of california, how walking down the street in the wrong colour is pretty much signing your own death warrant... (LMFAO @ THE WONDERFULL WORK OF THE POLICE."To serve, and protect. "To secure and clean up the aftermath"...
:P
:eek:
If you have no control over your racist programming... you should probably work on that.
Well, at least I notice it and truthfully, I know its wrong of me to automatically think the worst of people who are foreign to me. I dno't HATE them for their heritage, I just said that is my initial thoughts, which suck.. and I would like to have friends who are from a completely different culture then mine... the thing is I've always been surrounded by dickheads like myself...
Everything you think you are,
Everything you want to be...
is only happening
in your reality.
We Decide. - Dr. Phineas Waldorf Steel
This is all fine and good, but what are we going to do about the sudden rise in Gayniggers from Outer Space?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/45/Gayniggersfromouterpsaceposter.jpg)
Won't somebody please think of the straight white terrestrial children!?
Quote from: LMNO on July 28, 2008, 05:00:44 PM
On a personal note, just because you name-checked Nas in order to say "nigger" doesn't mean I won't get annoyed at your use of "faggot".
The guy obviously spends too much time on /b/, pay him no mind.
My master plan
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I've always found the similarity of "faggot" (not really sure how the hell this became a term for homosexuals) as in a bundle of sticks, and the roots word of "Fascist" from Rome, as an analogy for unity within the state, as a single stick can be broken more easily than a bundle, to be funny.
One of the key components of fascism is a cult of contrived masculinity and all that entails as well (such as mysogny).
Hmmm.
Quote from: Father Kurt Christ on July 29, 2008, 04:02:37 AM
I've always found the similarity of "faggot" (not really sure how the hell this became a term for homosexuals) as in a bundle of sticks, and the roots word of "Fascist" from Rome, as an analogy for unity within the state, as a single stick can be broken more easily than a bundle, to be funny.
Finally, somebody got the joke. Father, I'm awarding you a +5 to your Awareness stat, a +3 to your Wisdom, and an additional D6+1 roll to improve your Awesomeness rating to reflect your Level Up.
Also, yes, you MAY make a rat-flail out of that dead Dire Rat and that Stick you found in the last dungeon.
Quote from: TheLastLump on July 29, 2008, 12:23:28 PM
Quote from: Father Kurt Christ on July 29, 2008, 04:02:37 AM
I've always found the similarity of "faggot" (not really sure how the hell this became a term for homosexuals) as in a bundle of sticks, and the roots word of "Fascist" from Rome, as an analogy for unity within the state, as a single stick can be broken more easily than a bundle, to be funny.
Finally, somebody got the joke. Father, I'm awarding you a +5 to your Awareness stat, a +3 to your Wisdom, and an additional D6+1 roll to improve your Awesomeness rating to reflect your Level Up.
Also, yes, you MAY make a rat-flail out of that dead Dire Rat and that Stick you found in the last dungeon.
You have got to be shitting me.
ZOMG YUO GUISE "Faggot" begins with FA- and ends in -T. So does "fascist." WHOA CRAZY. So wait, how does fast and fat and fart and fairest and any other number of words work into this game? I'm confused.
No, seriously, someone please explain to me how the FUCK we are supposed to see TEH FUNNAY in this?
Also, if it's supposed to be funny that a faggot in the bundle of sticks sense doesn't snap as easily as a single fascist stick, then why would you call that person a fascist faggot? Aren't you trying to say that faggots are STRONGER than fascists? Then why equate them as being the same thing? That sort of yanks the carpet out from underneath the hilarity.
Do not--I repeat DO NOT--back pedal and try to turn your bigoted statement into a joke when it clearly isn't, wasn't, and will never be. Just admit that you said something wrong that you shouldn't have.
Quote from: Darth Cupcake on July 29, 2008, 03:06:35 PM
Quote from: TheLastLump on July 29, 2008, 12:23:28 PM
Quote from: Father Kurt Christ on July 29, 2008, 04:02:37 AM
I've always found the similarity of "faggot" (not really sure how the hell this became a term for homosexuals) as in a bundle of sticks, and the roots word of "Fascist" from Rome, as an analogy for unity within the state, as a single stick can be broken more easily than a bundle, to be funny.
Finally, somebody got the joke. Father, I'm awarding you a +5 to your Awareness stat, a +3 to your Wisdom, and an additional D6+1 roll to improve your Awesomeness rating to reflect your Level Up.
Also, yes, you MAY make a rat-flail out of that dead Dire Rat and that Stick you found in the last dungeon.
You have got to be shitting me.
ZOMG YUO GUISE "Faggot" begins with FA- and ends in -T. So does "fascist." WHOA CRAZY. So wait, how does fast and fat and fart and fairest and any other number of words work into this game? I'm confused.
No, seriously, someone please explain to me how the FUCK we are supposed to see TEH FUNNAY in this?
Also, if it's supposed to be funny that a faggot in the bundle of sticks sense doesn't snap as easily as a single fascist stick, then why would you call that person a fascist faggot? Aren't you trying to say that faggots are STRONGER than fascists? Then why equate them as being the same thing? That sort of yanks the carpet out from underneath the hilarity.
Do not--I repeat DO NOT--back pedal and try to turn your bigoted statement into a joke when it clearly isn't, wasn't, and will never be. Just admit that you said something wrong that you shouldn't have.
XD The joke was that it's funny to make fun of fascists.
Get it?
And besides, Eris works in hilarious ways. I didn't even catch the fact that- in my anger- using the big, bad, awful mean hurtful word "faggot"- which, by the way, is the BUNDLE of sticks, which is the point Father was trying to make- in an attempt to express my rage at the fact gypsies were being murdered for being... y'know... gypsies, actually had a double meaning in there. I didn't notice it at first, but with Father's comment, it seemed so obvious.
So, yes, I WILL backpedal when I realize I've used a word that causes MASSIVE BUTTHURT. I'm sorry that you don't hate murderers and racists as much as I do. I deeply apologize for not realizing that you don't indeed find fascists as offensive as the word faggot.
facists are gay
Are all gays fascist?
The public has a right to know!
Didn't Reich hypothesize that Fascists were afraid of teh vagoo and thus, like Furries, jailhouse gay?
Rather like certain right wing bloggers and their fear of play-doh and bacon vaginas.
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I've always found the similarity of "faggot" (not really sure how the hell this became a term for homosexuals) as in a bundle of sticks, and the roots word of "Fascist" from Rome, as an analogy for unity within the state, as a single stick can be broken more easily than a bundle, to be funny.
Finally, somebody got the joke. Father, I'm awarding you a +5 to your Awareness stat, a +3 to your Wisdom, and an additional D6+1 roll to improve your Awesomeness rating to reflect your Level Up.
Also, yes, you MAY make a rat-flail out of that dead Dire Rat and that Stick you found in the last dungeon.
You have got to be shitting me.
ZOMG YUO GUISE "Faggot" begins with FA- and ends in -T. So does "fascist." WHOA CRAZY. So wait, how does fast and fat and fart and fairest and any other number of words work into this game? I'm confused.
No, seriously, someone please explain to me how the FUCK we are supposed to see TEH FUNNAY in this?
Also, if it's supposed to be funny that a faggot in the bundle of sticks sense doesn't snap as easily as a single fascist stick, then why would you call that person a fascist faggot? Aren't you trying to say that faggots are STRONGER than fascists? Then why equate them as being the same thing? That sort of yanks the carpet out from underneath the hilarity.
Do not--I repeat DO NOT--back pedal and try to turn your bigoted statement into a joke when it clearly isn't, wasn't, and will never be. Just admit that you said something wrong that you shouldn't have.
XD The joke was that it's funny to make fun of fascists.
Get it?
I don't think you'll hear much disagreement that making fun of fascists is funny. I just still don't understand where using faggot as a derogatory term factored into this and was funny.
So no, I don't get it. What with your infinite wisdom into humor, perhaps you can enlighten.
Quote from: Cain on July 29, 2008, 03:19:41 PM
Didn't Reich hypothesize that Fascists were afraid of teh vagoo and thus, like Furries, jailhouse gay?
Rather like certain right wing bloggers and their fear of play-doh and bacon vaginas.
Well of course because a single stick would snap in a vagina whereas in a democracy, many many penises can enter vaginas and so...
Ah fuck it, this whole "bundle of sticks vs. single stick HAHA J/K LOL" thing isn't working for me.
Quote from: Cain on July 29, 2008, 03:19:41 PM
Didn't Reich hypothesize that Fascists were afraid of teh vagoo and thus, like Furries, jailhouse gay?
Rather like certain right wing bloggers and their fear of play-doh and bacon vaginas.
Play-Doh Gay?
:D It's kinda like how I'll never get why communists chose that whole "bundle of sticks wrapped around an axe" thing as their symbol. What, is it like Russian Reversal? Is it supposed to be confusing, but just ends up being funny?
And, like I said, it wasn't MEANT to be funny. I just wanted to express rage by emasculating the two old geezers who wanted to "crack down" on immigrants by allowing them to be identified and, consequently, murdered. The fact that I called them faggots, and that their symbol is ALSO called a faggot, escaped my notice at first.
And now, since this has all been cleared up, can we go back to our reasonably intelligent discussion about fascists again? This whole "Whoops, I said something bad again" thing is getting annoying.
What else is news in the World o' Fascists? What're the responses from other countries?
:roll:
:kingmeh:
Yeah, still not buying it.
But keep trying to come up with new explanations!
He's not making excuses. Give the guy a break. It's not like he's a klan member or anything. All derogatory terms are offensive to someone. We should either allow them all or ban them all. If this goes any further, I'm going to start getting all pissy whenever anyone here says "retard".
WHY? ARE YOU RETARDED???
Cram you, Damnulus! :argh!:
Thwarted again!
FUCK YOU MY MOTHER GAVE BIRTH TO ME AFTER BEING RAPED BY A RETARD!
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FUCK YOU MY MOTHER RAPED A RETARD AFTER GIVING BIRTH TO ME!
(and our son is twice is retarded)
FIXT
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WHY? ARE YOU RETARDED???
I AM OFFENDED BY THAT WORD. DON'T MAKE ME LAY DOWN THE LAW.
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It wasn't funny because they start in "fa" and end in "t." It's because Fascist and faggot literally share a common root word, the fasces, a set of bundled sticsk symbolizing the power of the Roman Empire, and because of the typical homophodia of Fascists. In the same way that it would be funny if Communist and capitalist pig had a common root word.
I highly doubt that LastLump meant to convey that association when he made the reference.
I realize that mosbunall (myself included) call things gay and fagtarded quite often. I guess that sometimes you can tell when someone is using it in a more archly ironic way; and sometimes it seems that someone is using it as an honest insult (i.e. gays really are inferior).
This isn't a big enough issue for me to fight over, I just felt that in that instance, Lump sounded like he was using "faggot" as an actual insult, that homosexuality was somhow "bad".
Anyway, I'm done with it.
Quote from: LMNO on July 29, 2008, 05:31:11 PM
This isn't a big enough issue for me to fight over, I just felt that in that instance, Lump sounded like he was using "faggot" as an actual insult, that homosexuality was somhow "bad".
Anyway, I'm done with it.
Understandable.
Quote from: LMNO on July 29, 2008, 05:31:11 PM
I highly doubt that LastLump meant to convey that association when he made the reference.
I've said this before.
Quote from: LMNO on July 29, 2008, 05:31:11 PM
I just felt that in that instance, Lump sounded like he was using "faggot" as an actual insult, that homosexuality was somhow "bad".
The word's pretty much been used so much as a placeholder for any other insult, with or without regard to it having anything to do with being gay, to the point it just becomes instinct. I didn't mean gayness was bad; I just used the first word that came to mind.
Sure, it's not right, but it's a habit I'm still trying to break.
STFU! ALLAYOOZ!
Faggot-ass faggots.
You guys are so gay.