Zack went through a phase where he thought like that. He blames his intelligence, which more accurately translated would be his ability to absorb information and act on it in his head. Because who needs real life when you've got an imagination that awesome!
He also read an article on psychology today about how thinking to oneself in the third person makes one calmer and more rational. He doesn't actually think he's irrational or tensed up, but he is always open to trying new ways to eliminate his self concept, so that he can then go about life and strive to reach the goals he threw out with the bathwater that was his self. He is not regretting it, because it's so much easier not having to be disappointed while maintaining perfectly plausible rationalizations that he is more rational and less emotional as a result, when in fact(tm) he is simply in a different prison of self-delusions designed to give him the indirect narcissistic sense of superiority over others he doesn't know he needs for reasons he doesn't or can't or won't fully understand.
Or something. He actually was just having trouble getting used to talking in third person to himself because he didn't have any context through which to apply it, but he figured he couldn't go wrong with self-introspecting, thereby manipulating the way he introspects about his introspecting. He was also largely similar to what he sounds like now, only with a few fancy psychology terms he doesn't usually use and he could write a book about himself right now, but is choosing not to because that is too obvious a sign of narcissism (which is too loaded of a term for him to use in his own writing or every day language).
Source: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-happiness-project/201112/think-yourself-in-the-third-person
But the thing is, it really works. (from the top of the web page) Zack isn't sure yet, but he definitely sees himself being even more honest with himself in the future.
Looking at yourself in the third person is not introspection, its dissassociation.
Thank you, I was wondering why I was straining myself. To a certain extent I'm already dissociating, and it's very weird to dissociate from dissociating...
There's probably a reason it was "think" in the third person and not write a post to put on the internet; to other people it's just weird...
Very much. Also ties into the Zen koan, "What face did you wear before your parents were born?"
Quote from: The Johnny on August 14, 2014, 08:42:24 AM
Looking at yourself in the third person is not introspection, its dissassociation.
QFT.
Quote from: Telarus on August 16, 2014, 10:49:48 PM
Very much. Also ties into the Zen koan, "What face did you wear before your parents were born?"
That particular koan makes me want to punch people in the face.
Which face, the one before or after my parents were born?
:lulz: :lulz:
I, myself, have spent a long time struggling with the balance between disassociating and creating my own reality. I have a mild form of schizophrenia, and from a young age disassociated very heavily, causing myself to do many actions that I myself did not feel in control of. Once I realized that I did have control over my actions, and that I had control over the thoughts that I had in my head, I went in the opposite direction and began feeling like reality controlled ME.
In the past few years, I came to realize that reality is somewhere in-between subjective and objective. Chaos is around us always, always throwing unexpected events in our way, but we have the power to control them through our thoughts and how we see the world. However, believing that we can completely take over reality and change it is where some pass over from wisdom to lunacy. This is usually characterized by (in my own experience) feeling that nothing is real, or solid; letting entire hours pass by staring at the wall or ceiling without any sort of gnosis/intention; an inflated ego which believes that i can pass through walls or make miraculous jumps off of buildings unharmed.
I guess the moral of the story is root yourself in reality first before you make any adventures creating your own reality. However, these roots should be growing and rapidly absorbing, not stagnant like stone stakes.
Well said, new guy.
The only ways to "change reality" is either thru a change in the interpretation of the meaning of it or thru taking action.
Quote from: The Johnny on September 13, 2014, 08:26:09 PM
The only ways to "change reality" is either thru a change in the interpretation of the meaning of it or thru taking action.
Both can be seen as basically the same, e.g., in practical occultism (magic(k)).
Oh goddamnit.
Quote from: nonheroick on September 13, 2014, 05:52:44 PM
I, myself, have spent a long time struggling with the balance between disassociating and creating my own reality. I have a mild form of schizophrenia, and from a young age disassociated very heavily, causing myself to do many actions that I myself did not feel in control of. Once I realized that I did have control over my actions, and that I had control over the thoughts that I had in my head, I went in the opposite direction and began feeling like reality controlled ME.
In the past few years, I came to realize that reality is somewhere in-between subjective and objective. Chaos is around us always, always throwing unexpected events in our way, but we have the power to control them through our thoughts and how we see the world. However, believing that we can completely take over reality and change it is where some pass over from wisdom to lunacy. This is usually characterized by (in my own experience) feeling that nothing is real, or solid; letting entire hours pass by staring at the wall or ceiling without any sort of gnosis/intention; an inflated ego which believes that i can pass through walls or make miraculous jumps off of buildings unharmed.
I guess the moral of the story is root yourself in reality first before you make any adventures creating your own reality. However, these roots should be growing and rapidly absorbing, not stagnant like stone stakes.
:mittens:
Quote from: nonheroick on September 13, 2014, 05:52:44 PM
I, myself, have spent a long time struggling with the balance between disassociating and creating my own reality. I have a mild form of schizophrenia, and from a young age disassociated very heavily, causing myself to do many actions that I myself did not feel in control of. Once I realized that I did have control over my actions, and that I had control over the thoughts that I had in my head, I went in the opposite direction and began feeling like reality controlled ME.
In the past few years, I came to realize that reality is somewhere in-between subjective and objective. Chaos is around us always, always throwing unexpected events in our way, but we have the power to control them through our thoughts and how we see the world. However, believing that we can completely take over reality and change it is where some pass over from wisdom to lunacy. This is usually characterized by (in my own experience) feeling that nothing is real, or solid; letting entire hours pass by staring at the wall or ceiling without any sort of gnosis/intention; an inflated ego which believes that i can pass through walls or make miraculous jumps off of buildings unharmed.
I guess the moral of the story is root yourself in reality first before you make any adventures creating your own reality. However, these roots should be growing and rapidly absorbing, not stagnant like stone stakes.
:motorcycle:
I am interested in your beliefs and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Quote from: MasterBlaster on September 13, 2014, 08:30:21 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on September 13, 2014, 08:26:09 PM
The only ways to "change reality" is either thru a change in the interpretation of the meaning of it or thru taking action.
Both can be seen as basically the same, e.g., in practical occultism (magic(k)).
Precisely. And this can not be done aimlessly. Or else you may fall into the trap of believing you are more powerful than you really are. There's a reason that they say one "goes mad" with power.
Quote from: MasterBlaster on September 13, 2014, 08:30:21 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on September 13, 2014, 08:26:09 PM
The only ways to "change reality" is either thru a change in the interpretation of the meaning of it or thru taking action.
Both can be seen as basically the same, e.g., in practical occultism (magic(k)).
:magick:
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on September 13, 2014, 10:38:09 PM
Quote from: nonheroick on September 13, 2014, 05:52:44 PM
I, myself, have spent a long time struggling with the balance between disassociating and creating my own reality. I have a mild form of schizophrenia, and from a young age disassociated very heavily, causing myself to do many actions that I myself did not feel in control of. Once I realized that I did have control over my actions, and that I had control over the thoughts that I had in my head, I went in the opposite direction and began feeling like reality controlled ME.
In the past few years, I came to realize that reality is somewhere in-between subjective and objective. Chaos is around us always, always throwing unexpected events in our way, but we have the power to control them through our thoughts and how we see the world. However, believing that we can completely take over reality and change it is where some pass over from wisdom to lunacy. This is usually characterized by (in my own experience) feeling that nothing is real, or solid; letting entire hours pass by staring at the wall or ceiling without any sort of gnosis/intention; an inflated ego which believes that i can pass through walls or make miraculous jumps off of buildings unharmed.
I guess the moral of the story is root yourself in reality first before you make any adventures creating your own reality. However, these roots should be growing and rapidly absorbing, not stagnant like stone stakes.
:motorcycle:
I am interested in your beliefs and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
No such newsletter exists yet. I will consider making one.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Ok, thread redeemed. But I swear, we start talking about occultism, I will turn this forum right around and we'll all go back home. Just see if I don't.
PS: Nice post nonheroick
I wasn't really trying to turn the thread in the direction of occultism, it was just a comment on the fuzzy limits between "change as reinterpretation" and "change as action".
Quote from: MasterBlaster on September 14, 2014, 08:40:18 PM
I wasn't really trying to turn the thread in the direction of occultism, it was just a comment on the fuzzy limits between "change as reinterpretation" and "change as action".
Keep digging, man. :lol: