Chaos Primer: Lock & Load

[LMNO]

Chaos = the whole.  Because its the sum of order and disorder, both being experienced as part of the larger state of the universe.

Order = something which has a pattern we can grasp.
Disorder = something that does not have a pattern we can grasp (yet).

Yup.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Oh No, More Discordian Chaos:  On the Eris-Specific terms of Chaos, Order, and Disorder.

When a bunch of pretentious Erisians get together to talk Shop, they usually babble away at each other with no real understanding of what anyone is talking about.  It,Äôs like the United Nations.

Anyway, to help, some of them came up with some terms and concepts to help figure out what they hell anyone is saying.

So, to start with, the Universe is Bullshit.  Please keep in mind, this is a Discordian specific definition of Bullshit.  So, this says that in the Universe, and every nanosecond that passes, something different is happening.  If you were to be able to observe the entire universe completely, down to the last quark, it would be impossible to discern what the hell is going on.  Simply put, Shit Happens.

Now, when you put a Human into the mix, they don,Äôt see Bullshit.  The Human brain is wired to seek out patterns. 

When the Human sees patterns that follow some sort of progression that Human understands and can follow, we call that ,ÄúOrder,,Äù as well as ,ÄúThe Aneristic Illusion,Äù.  Those patterns are still just Bullshit, but the Human mind has decided to separate it from its Universal surroundings.

When the Human cannot see a pattern, or cannot understand that a pattern exists, we call that ,ÄúBullshit,,Äù as well as ,ÄúBullshit,Äù.  The absence of a recognizable pattern is still just Bullshit, but the Human has decided to differentiate this from ,ÄúOrder,Äù.

In this way, Erisian say that those who hold Order over Disorder, or Disorder over Order, are both deluded by their Illusions.

Edit by way of emphasising the point I made earlier about the words taking second place to the meaning. Above is still     Regardless of terminology, message is same.

[LHX]

Problem:  If we like the PD definitions, why/how re-write them?

why - because its the version that brought this particular collection of people together

how - any/every way imaginable


table of correspondences FTW


SSOOKN
golden sphere

[Triple Zero]

i think he meant, why rewrite them, and not, why we like them

i think

rewrite them for
1) expansion on original theme viewed in the light of current days and current people
2) "chaos" is a nice strong term, that attracts interest because people think "why would you worship something bad like chaos?", but on the other hand, chaos is an awkward term these days, has a lot of different ambiguous and slightly the same meanings.
so if we can say the same things with different (less ambiguous) words, that is maybe a good thing.

[LMNO]

Ok, I'm gonna write something on the benefits of Order, and how Chaos Theory is actually a set of well-defined rules.

[LHX]

Ok, I'm gonna write something on the benefits of Order, and how Chaos Theory is actually a set of well-defined rules.

[Cain]

Greek mythology nerdiness time:

In Greek mythology, Chaos or Khaos is the primeval state of existence from which the first gods appeared. In other words, the dark void of space.

It literally means "gaping void", from the verb χαίνω "gape, be wide open", which likely comes from the root word where we get the English "chasm" from.

According to Hesiod's Theogonia (The origin of the Gods), Chaos was the nothingness out of which the first objects of existence appeared. These first beings, described as children of Chaos alone, were Gaia (the Earth), Tartarus (the Underworld), Nyx (the darkness of the night), and Erebus (the darkness of the Underworld).

In Ancient Greek cosmology, Chaos was the first thing to exist and the womb from which everything emerged.

The idea is also found in Mesopotamia and associated with Tiamat the 'Dragon' of Chaos, from whose dismembered body the world was formed.

Genesis refers to the earliest conditions of the universe as "without form and void," a state similar to chaos.

Primal Chaos was sometimes said to be the true foundation of reality, particularly by philosophers such as Heraclitus and those trained in Orphic schools. It was the opposite of Platonism. It was also probably what Aristotle had in mind when he developed the concept of Prima Materia in his attempt to combine Platonism with the Presocraticism and Naturalism. It was a concept inherited by the theory of Alchemy.

[LMNO]

hey, wisdom from the ancients actually comes in handy.

Go figure.

[Triple Zero]

ok in this case we could also go with this classical definition of chaos

because looking at it from this point of view, the mathematical chaos is an etymological misnomer.

if we take Chaos as "the void" or "primordial possibility puree",
then the phrase "the nation is in chaos" could be taken to mean
"pull yourself together, your primordial puree is showing, between
the seams"

if you know what i mean.

[Rev. St. Syn, KSC (Ret.)]

Ugh.. the first thing that came to mind:

"dischao"

I deeply apologize.

Not enough. Drop and gimme 20.

"chaos" is a nice strong term, that attracts interest because people think "why would you worship something bad like chaos?", but on the other hand, chaos is an awkward term these days, has a lot of different ambiguous and slightly the same meanings.
so if we can say the same things with different (less ambiguous) words, that is maybe a good thing.

This definitely needs expanding and more definition, we need to be clear exactly what we're talking about otherwise it's all fractals and worshipping negative-chaos archetypes with a strong possibility of tie dye being involved at some point.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh No, More Discordian Bullshit:  On the Eris-Specific terms of Chaos, Order, and Disorder.

When a bunch of pretentious Erisians get together to talk Shop, they usually babble away at each other with no real understanding of what anyone is talking about.¬† It,Äôs like the United Nations.

Anyway, to help, some of them came up with some terms and concepts to help figure out what they hell anyone is saying.

So, to start with, the Universe is Chaos.  Please keep in mind, this is a Discordian specific definition of Chaos.  So, this says that in the Universe, and every nanosecond that passes, something different is happening.  If you were to be able to observe the entire universe completely, down to the last quark, it would be impossible to discern what the hell is going on.  Simply put, Shit Happens.

Now, when you put a Human into the mix, they don,Äôt see Chaos.¬† The Human brain is wired to seek out patterns.¬†

When the Human sees patterns that follow some sort of progression that Human understands and can follow, we call that ,ÄúOrder,,Äù as well as ,ÄúThe Aneristic Illusion,Äù.¬† Those patterns are still just Chaos, but the Human mind has decided to separate it from its Universal surroundings.

When the Human cannot see a pattern, or cannot understand that a pattern exists, we call that ,ÄúDisorder,,Äù as well as ,ÄúThe Eristic Illusion,Äù.¬† The absence of a recognizable pattern is still just Chaos, but the Human has decided to differentiate this from ,ÄúOrder,Äù.

In this way, Erisian say that those who hold Order over Disorder, or Disorder over Order, are both deluded by their Illusions.

Not bad at all.  But my definition is this:  "I'm gonna do whatever I feel like doing at any given moment, and there's not a goddamned thing anyone can do to stop me.  Or kill me."

All that order/disorder stuff is just commentary.

[LHX]

Not bad at all.  But my definition is this:  "I'm gonna do whatever I feel like doing at any given moment, and there's not a goddamned thing anyone can do to stop me.  Or kill me."

All that order/disorder stuff is just commentary.

this is what you feel like doing?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Not bad at all.  But my definition is this:  "I'm gonna do whatever I feel like doing at any given moment, and there's not a goddamned thing anyone can do to stop me.  Or kill me."

All that order/disorder stuff is just commentary.

this is what you feel like doing?

At the moment.

Yeah.

That's why I'm doing it.

You?

[LHX]

yeah

as far as it seems to be a means to a end




as you say - at the moment

i agree

[P3nT4gR4m]

It's much more of a buzz getting away with it if there's an oppressor tho. Oppression is like freedom plus excitement.