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Now, please explain to me what REALLY REAL DISCORDIANISM FOR REALNESS is.  I mean, you are obviously so much more intelligent that we primates.

If I've given you the impression that that was my intent, or if that indeed has any relevance, then that is obviously a flaw on my part.

I think I've hit a nerve, and for that I'm truly sorry.

Nah, Daruko would have already outed himself by now.

Give it time.  He lasted almost 3 days last time.

Um, paranoia? Is the obvious truth, that I am just who I say I am, with the motivations I present, so boring that something fanciful needs to be invented in its place?

Unless you're just trolling me still? You're not going to hurt my feelings you know. Yes that is a challenge. If you take me up on it then you've just fallen victim to an obvious cards-on-the-table here-it-is counter-troll. Seriously, I'm not worth your time.

Pseudo-intellectualism doesn't go far here.  You might have better luck at the Church of Google.  They're always spouting puerile nonsense and calling it "philosophy", etc.

Oh come on, I just took a look, and that shit is retarded. Even for me.

I'd much rather be an insignificant fish in a big pond than a whale rotting in a puddle of piss.

You are gaining no tactical advantage.

It doesn't translate, so well, online.

Your are merely rabble rousing on the weekend when its normally quiet here and turning yourself into a target as opposed to posting stuff to be discussed. I mean continue if you want but it generally comes to a point where you drop the attitude and you can enjoy some great conversations from there on out and this site does have a lot of rewarding conversations to be had.

I would contest that a certain percentage of my attitude is simply me refusing "prison bitch" status, and returning attitude given to me, in kind. But you're right, it's not important, and I concede to your larger point.

I think you are a condescending asshole

I'll grant you that, without pause. It's simply a defence mechanism. Tends to make the other person angry enough such that I have room to score a tactical advantage. Would be better if I had complete control over it, but seemingly I can't yet have everything. It doesn't help that I find the whole process amusing. Even if it is a self-destructive behaviour pattern.

but otherwise you were probably asking a genuine question. That email is as old as the hills at this stage and its not that interesting an effect. What you said about belief being the key to the ability to do it is a pretty straightforward concept. Look around and you will see some good stuff on mindfucking yourself.

I know it's old - I gave up tracing it to 2005. The fact that it's a mindfuck which can be replicated in a few minutes, and presented to people who otherwise had no previous interest in mindfucks, or even the idea that they can switch their belief systems at will, does still make it interesting to me.. but I'll have to do more experimentation to see if giving permission to complete the exercise correctly neutralises the seeming physiological effect as reliably as it did with myself. I think it'd be neat to know of a simple quick mindfuck which works reliably on the "average person".

One thing I do when I want to overcome some inhibition is I narrate what I want to happen aloud to myself, "And so he overcame his anxiety and slowly drifted into a restful state of sleep" is generally the last thing I hear at night.

Thanks for the tip, I think I'll give it a try.

Quit pretending you're smarter than we are. 

Nice try, but I'm not going to fall for any more of your (collective) trolling on this thread. Have at it.

You'll have to explain that to me in dummy-talk before I get it. It's always seemed to me that closed-systems of thought further the meme, not the individuals who host it.

Not everything has to be about "furthering the meme".  Sometimes shit is just FUN.  Remember fun?  That stuff you used to have before you became all serious about shit?

Oh! God I'm thick. You've all been trolling me from the very first page haven't you? And it took me a whole 8 pages to figure it out - the joke is on me! No group of people could otherwise lack such intellectual curiousity, be unaware that they are robotic slaves to a meme and fail time and time again to respond to patient and clear explanations of simple concepts which any grade schooler could instantly grasp.

My hat goes off to you! What dedication to the craft you observe!

I have no interest in trolling, for the most part I find it childish.

Then this isn't gonna be your crowd.   

I didn't say that it was without utility.

Trolling is not a tool, it is its own end.

You'll have to explain that to me in dummy-talk before I get it. It's always seemed to me that closed-systems of thought further the meme, not the individuals who host it.

Yes, I have no independent thought.  All of my ideas are beamed directly into my head by Iason, then I use my nefarious mind control rays to make everyone else here think the same way.  No, really.  We're like a hive, only without the honey.

Sorry we don't meet up with your high standards of "writing", ie, posting stupid fucking email forwards.



But, please, hang around and try to prove to us how smart/wise/right you are.  We're not going to use it to pummel you like a NASCAR wife.  No, really.

It might be nice if I could prove something to myself - sure - but equally nice if I could be proved wrong on any point. Knowing only that I have delusions, not knowing which those are in particular.. if any of you could prove me wrong on any particular point then that would be an immense favour.

If pummelling is the only path left, if all appeals to reason fail, then that's the way it is.

I have no interest in trolling, for the most part I find it childish.

Then this isn't gonna be your crowd.   

I didn't say that it was without utility.

I'm also genuine when I criticise the closed-mind group-think on this board as being part of the problem. My own innumerable flaws aside, of course.

Yeah, well, it works for us.  We don't particularly care what you think or want.

Then with all due respect, we have that in common. I'm not writing for you, I'm writing for the mind that is capable of taking leaps of independent thought and practising it often. Was the crowd completely right in their opinions about Hitler? Oh wait, I see what I did there. Thread over everyone!

and can I shit in it for you?

See, that's funny. But I can't see what function it serves other than suggest quite plainly that you're happy being part of the mob-mind. The monkey-mob says the n00b hasn't been kicked enough, and you supply the foot. Well done. You should feel proud.

Fuck, I just like shitting in coffee. So suck it.

I'm guessing that you find that line more convincing than I do.

Quickly!  What's your opinion on Cartesian duality?

Um, both of your maps are nice? What's the hurry? If the test requires that I be at my keyboard all day, then I've already failed. If the test requires that I know the terms for specific concepts, then I've already failed. If the test is intended to show such a deficiency in my thinking, then I've failed already without effort on my part.

But in general, and after some unabashed googling, I am not awed by Descartes' constructs. Just because the mind _could_ be immaterial, does not make it so. The model does not inform the universe, and in the same sense, thinking is no proof of thought. All that really says is "I think therefore I think I am".

Despite some quite convincing conclusions that I came here to troll (and in the same sense, trolling is no proof of trollhood), my intent was and remains some form of illumination. If you can explain your insight, I would be most grateful.

newbie/troll: your style is too oppositional and the wounded newcomer bit is played out.  It was a good gambit though! Go make another one and try again.  

I have no interest in trolling, for the most part I find it childish. If I did, I almost certainly wouldn't have the balls to try it in this court. And I almost certainly wouldn't do it in such a traceable manner, which could be used to inflict a thousand-times more pain on myself than my ham-fisted introduction may have caused others. From that you can extract my real name and address with less effort than it takes to scratch your ass. I'm genuine when I say I had something I thought might be of interest. I'm also genuine when I criticise the closed-mind group-think on this board as being part of the problem. My own innumerable flaws aside, of course.

it's not hypnosis. i dunno what you think you were trying to prove with the museumofhoaxes link, I suppose it's about the comments (cause the article just quotes a variation on your OP).

what I get from those comments is, that it's a question of motor skills and not belief. some of the people in those comments could do it right away, some couldnt even make a circle with their foot without moving their hand. the rest falling in between could with some concentration, pull it off or still fail.

i don't think it has anything to do with the supposed suggestive language you see in your picture.

so far the only evidence you've given it might be based on hypnosis is that 1) you think this is an extreme case of suggestive writing 2) you couldnt do it at first but as soon as you believed it was because the writing hypnosed you, you could do it.

problem is, you seem to be the only person with this experience.

so, you might say "guys I managed to hypnotize myself with this chain letter I received from the email", but we will still reply with

btw a fun thing to try for you would be, if it's really hypnosis (for you), you should be able to reverse it as well. believe it's really real and you can't circle your foot while making a 6 with your hand. go ahead, try it! it should be interesting! but please, don't feel the need to keep us informed about it, really, we dont care.

Finally, an explanation. Thankyou Triple Zero, for your explanation. I don't think I would be the only person with this experience if I had presented it better. However, it does seem that appearing in the way I did has left an indelible first impression which no-one here can get themselves over - half the respondents seem to have concluded I was female with no prompting from myself - yet the general I-know-it-all mindset remains evident. If you can't get over that, then you certainly won't be able to get over the power-of-suggestion contained in the OP - you make it clear that the status-quo is to be desired - the elders decree it's physiological rather than psychological and no independent experimentation to contradict that occurs - fine, I'll let it drop for now.

and can I shit in it for you?

See, that's funny. But I can't see what function it serves other than suggest quite plainly that you're happy being part of the mob-mind. The monkey-mob says the n00b hasn't been kicked enough, and you supply the foot. Well done. You should feel proud.

Aww, that's not very nice. But very well done. Even if you still completely misunderstand my intent. I think I'm going to like it here. *stretches and yawn*

Stop being an insufferable stuffed shirt.

Or - how about I _be_ how I want to be - which includes, but is not limited to, not trying to dominate others with non-constructive put-downs and other forms of forum-wank? If that's how you get your kicks - fair enough. If it's not how you get your kicks, then why the fuck are you engaging in it?