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I wasn't trying to be inflammatory, or condescending, or implying anything about their race or religion,' she says. 'I was trying to make sure the woman was OK because I don't think women generally do enough in small ways to help one another.
'I think he misconstrued my offer of help. I made him uncomfortable because he wasn't helping her.'
The couple became infuriated. 'The husband came up behind me and said in my ear, "You f*** off," which I found very intimidating,' Miss Heathcote-Drury says. 'I wanted to get out of the shop as quickly as possible, but he approached me again.'
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I'm confused by that whole situation. Did they even bother to look at a surveillance camera? Aren't those things ALL OVER England? Then again, she also started shit by asking the husband to help the woman. Feminism or not, they obviously took offense to the fact she said something.
Moral of the story: KYFMS.
Quote from: Suu on July 08, 2012, 08:42:46 PM
I'm confused by that whole situation. Did they even bother to look at a surveillance camera? Aren't those things ALL OVER England? Then again, she also started shit by asking the husband to help the woman. Feminism or not, they obviously took offense to the fact she said something.
Moral of the story: KYFMS.
Indeed, I am also confused about this. It seems just as likely to me that their side of the story is accurate as hers. I mean, maybe she didn't mean anything by her comments, but she's still dumb as a post.
QuoteIn the end, CCTV did not show the incident, but the fact the acquittal was delivered so quickly was testament to the strength of her defence.
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Uhh. Not so sure on that last part, there....
But evidently, no, it was not caught on camera.
Quote from: Phox, Mistress of Many Names on July 08, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: Suu on July 08, 2012, 08:42:46 PM
I'm confused by that whole situation. Did they even bother to look at a surveillance camera? Aren't those things ALL OVER England? Then again, she also started shit by asking the husband to help the woman. Feminism or not, they obviously took offense to the fact she said something.
Moral of the story: KYFMS.
Indeed, I am also confused about this. It seems just as likely to me that their side of the story is accurate as hers. I mean, maybe she didn't mean anything by her comments, but she's still dumb as a post.
From the article:
"She was waiting to pay at the checkout when she noticed a man with two small children also queuing. They were joined by a woman wearing a hijab and a long black tunic who began unloading an overflowing trolley, one item at a time."And
"Miss Heathcote-Drury says her initial impression was that the woman was elegantly dressed and appeared to have a French accent, while she assumed the man was of Mediterranean origin. She accepts that her offer of help caused offence, but denies her comments about British society were intended as a slight against the couple's Islamic culture."DERP. :lol:
If she really wanted to be feminist she would have ignored the man and just started helping the struggling woman.
I sometimes help people bag groceries without asking.
That tends to confuse and scare people.
It is hilarious.
(No ill intent on my part, it's just that i sometimes forget people can be scared of me.)
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on July 08, 2012, 09:07:23 PM
Quote from: Phox, Mistress of Many Names on July 08, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: Suu on July 08, 2012, 08:42:46 PM
I'm confused by that whole situation. Did they even bother to look at a surveillance camera? Aren't those things ALL OVER England? Then again, she also started shit by asking the husband to help the woman. Feminism or not, they obviously took offense to the fact she said something.
Moral of the story: KYFMS.
Indeed, I am also confused about this. It seems just as likely to me that their side of the story is accurate as hers. I mean, maybe she didn't mean anything by her comments, but she's still dumb as a post.
From the article: "She was waiting to pay at the checkout when she noticed a man with two small children also queuing. They were joined by a woman wearing a hijab and a long black tunic who began unloading an overflowing trolley, one item at a time."
And
"Miss Heathcote-Drury says her initial impression was that the woman was elegantly dressed and appeared to have a French accent, while she assumed the man was of Mediterranean origin. She accepts that her offer of help caused offence, but denies her comments about British society were intended as a slight against the couple's Islamic culture."
DERP. :lol:
Yeah, kinda my point... :lulz:
Quote from: :regret: on July 08, 2012, 09:14:45 PM
If she really wanted to be feminist she would have ignored the man and just started helping the struggling woman.
I sometimes help people bag groceries without asking.
That tends to confuse and scare people.
It is hilarious.
(No ill intent on my part, it's just that i sometimes forget people can be scared of me.)
People: :lulz: :x :horrormirth: :lulz:
And yeah. People generally don't mind help. She came off pretty sanctimonious and patronizing.
"She says: 'I glanced over and thought, "This poor woman's going to be there for hours." Her husband was standing closest to me, so I said to him, "Will you help her?"
'He said, "I've got the children." I said, "Well, I can help her" and he replied, "What's it to you?" I said, "This is what feminism's about - women helping women."
He said, "Oh, get lost." I looked at the woman and said, "We live in a society in Britain where rights are equal - if you need help you can ask for it." :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
The dumb broad started shit by opening her mouth, and said things that were definitely offensive to the family of Islamic faith which is constantly stereotyped as being misogynistic.
In short: The woman is dumb as a sack of fucking hammers, and hopefully won't quit her day job as a photographer...IF she can still get work after this debacle.
From her own account, she sounds like she was being a sanctimonious cuntbag. If I was unloading a cart while my partner ran herd on a couple small kids and some snooty twat came up and was all, "You should help her" and "This is America, you have equal rights here and you're allowed to ask for help" I would tell her to fuck off, too. Physical assault and pressing charges is over the top, but I can certainly understand the impulse to trip her condescending ass.
If she'd actually wanted to be helpful, she would have OFFERED TO HELP. Directly to the woman. As in, "Can I help you unload?"
"Cinnamon Heathcote-Drury" - Tells me everything I need to know :lulz:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 09, 2012, 09:38:38 AM
"Cinnamon Heathcote-Drury" - Tells me everything I need to know :lulz:
That's kind of a Brit version of "Buffy" or "Cookie", isn' it? :lulz:
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on July 09, 2012, 06:53:33 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 09, 2012, 09:38:38 AM
"Cinnamon Heathcote-Drury" - Tells me everything I need to know :lulz:
That's kind of a Brit version of "Buffy" or "Cookie", isn' it? :lulz:
Not quite. It's more the brit version of - related to the royal family, either by blood or by bank balance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTMWgOduFM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTMWgOduFM)
Basically no one who didn't get a porche for their 18th birthday would pull shit even remotely like that.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 08, 2012, 11:23:43 PM
From her own account, she sounds like she was being a sanctimonious cuntbag. If I was unloading a cart while my partner ran herd on a couple small kids and some snooty twat came up and was all, "You should help her" and "This is America, you have equal rights here and you're allowed to ask for help" I would tell her to fuck off, too. Physical assault and pressing charges is over the top, but I can certainly understand the impulse to trip her condescending ass.
If she'd actually wanted to be helpful, she would have OFFERED TO HELP. Directly to the woman. As in, "Can I help you unload?"
doing things in the name of female solidarity/feminism is one thing, but announcing it is sometimes not a wise thing to do, especially if you explicitly use the word Feminism, what with the backlash against feminism and the "but we live in a post-feminist society!" bullshit. she could have just asked the lady if she needed a hand, and NOT made it implicitly publicly political.
Also one of the downsides of feminism is that it can be a middle class white lady talking shop, which kind of sucks.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 09, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on July 09, 2012, 06:53:33 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 09, 2012, 09:38:38 AM
"Cinnamon Heathcote-Drury" - Tells me everything I need to know :lulz:
That's kind of a Brit version of "Buffy" or "Cookie", isn' it? :lulz:
Not quite. It's more the brit version of - related to the royal family, either by blood or by bank balance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTMWgOduFM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTMWgOduFM)
Basically no one who didn't get a porche for their 18th birthday would pull shit even remotely like that.
And another aristocratic family line begins its decline, accelerated by DERP. :lol:
Quote from: Suu on July 08, 2012, 08:42:46 PM
Moral of the story: KYFMS.
Exactly. Simply helping would be one thing, but nudging the husband and telling him "Help her" is intrusive and fucking rude. She has no idea what either of them had been through that day already.
The world would be a great measure better if a lot of people knew when to mind their own business.
Did anyone else get the loud subtext that she was just pissed that this woman was going to make her wait all afternoon at the checkout?
Quote from: MMIX on July 09, 2012, 11:09:32 PM
Did anyone else get the loud subtext that she was just pissed that this woman was going to make her wait all afternoon at the checkout?
No because the family was behind her.
I find it interesting that she apparently didn't consider any possibility other than that the situation was somehow a byproduct of misogyny, especially considering that the man was tending the children (a traditionally female role) while the woman unloaded the cart (moving goods, a frequent male role). I think I might have come to a very nearly opposite conclusion from the one she did, regarding feminism. At the very least, something that comes to mind for me is that the woman was clearly in charge of purchases, and may have wanted him to stay out of the way. Another factor she obviously didn't consider, along with the possibility that it was none of her business, is that he was only along to manage the kids, which is not exactly the typical role of an oppressive misogynist husband. Any number of situations could be at hand that would cause the husband to focus on caring for the children while the wife managed the groceries, most of them private and not obvious to strangers. He could have a back injury, one of the kids could be especially volatile and in need of high parental focus, the wife could have told him to stay the fuck away from the groceries, they could have been having a spat and not wanting to interact. Who knows?
Her statements to the couple do come across as racist and presumptuous, and although I don't think the wife's reaction was at all appropriate, it's also clear from Heathcote-Drury's account that she even now doesn't understand that she said anything inappropriate, and that's really unfortunate.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on July 09, 2012, 11:17:05 PM
Quote from: MMIX on July 09, 2012, 11:09:32 PM
Did anyone else get the loud subtext that she was just pissed that this woman was going to make her wait all afternoon at the checkout?
No because the family was behind her.
Just read it again and I think you're right. I had assumed they were ahead because it doesn't make any sense for her to get involved otherwise. Oh, unless she is an interfering busybody, of course, which is pretty obvious from the rest of the story but even interfering busybodies needs an actual reason to interfere. I feel sorry for the husband. It says he's a teacher and unless he works in an Islamic school it probably won't help him at work.
ETA Oh, and what Nigel said. ^