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Started by AFK, February 05, 2007, 04:22:29 PM

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Quote from: CloserToGodThe Black Iron Prison is an idea that I have come across on a website that touts the Principia Discordia and the Illuminatus trilogy books.

The idea as it was explained to me is that in life you are trapped in a prison cell, it is dark and it is inescapable but you cannot see the walls that surround you. As an unwilling convict of this invisible penitentiary, you are in a position of pain and suffering and you have no way to break free until someone points out and makes you understand that you are in a prison.

Once you understand that you are being held against your will, you may start to break down the bars of your jail window, it is a revalation, and a means of evading capture. however, your initial rapture of becoming a free man is short lived, as you will find that there is a cell outside of the cell in which you had been incarserated. While the walls of the first prison are now crumbled, there is another larger wall encasing the captive and another set of bars holding back the freedom which is sought.

What I have found is that this analogy is a an unenlightened one, for it tells of failure to achieve enlightenment, and you had better not try again. It touts freedom but does not deliver. It is no truth bringer or real enlightenment, and is instead a masturbatory thought process that leads in a circle, and this ends in conformity, and bondage.

Breaking down walls is a good thing, but to find that behind every wall is another, is an idea that breads contempt, inadeqacy, and selfish behaviour, it is an idea that is a trick.

I have broken free of the BIP and I find that it is actually a lonely place, it is not populated with individuals, but it does not have any further walls and is not devoid of life. It is a free place that is to be explored and learnt from.
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

LMNO

 
Quote from: CloserToGodThe Black Iron Prison is an idea that I have come across on a website that touts the Principia Discordia and the Illuminatus trilogy books.

The idea as it was explained to me is that in life you are trapped in a prison cell, it is dark and it is inescapable but you cannot see the walls that surround you. As an unwilling convict of this invisible penitentiary, you are in a position of pain and suffering and you have no way to break free until someone points out and makes you understand that you are in a prison.

First of all, it should be understood that the BIP is a metaphor for the limitation sof human perception in relation to the myriad of different stimuli that exist in the Universe, and of the self-imposed barriers of conditioning that one needs to make their way through life.  You seem to be taking the imagery a tad too literally here.

QuoteOnce you understand that you are being held against your will, you may start to break down the bars of your jail window, it is a revalation, and a means of evading capture. however, your initial rapture of becoming a free man is short lived, as you will find that there is a cell outside of the cell in which you had been incarserated. While the walls of the first prison are now crumbled, there is another larger wall encasing the captive and another set of bars holding back the freedom which is sought.

Ok, this is totally wrong.¬† What,Äôs said is that even if you remove every barrier possible, the physical limitation of the human body and mind make it impossible to experience the entirety of the Universe.¬† In short, there will always be something you don,Äôt know; a human,Äôs perception of their experiential reality will always be imperfect; the error being in any ,ÄúOne Answer,Äù that tries to explain it all.

QuoteWhat I have found is that this analogy is a an unenlightened one, for it tells of failure to achieve enlightenment, and you had better not try again. It touts freedom but does not deliver. It is no truth bringer or real enlightenment, and is instead a masturbatory thought process that leads in a circle, and this ends in conformity, and bondage.

Nowhere do we say not to try.¬† Nowhere do we even speak of enlightenment.¬† The point of the BIP metaphor is that once you find some freedom, don,Äôt stop.¬† Find as much freedom as you can, because there is always more to do.¬† And, considering how our very ideas become bars in our prison, every ,Äúrevelation,Äù can become a trap, if you are not careful.

QuoteBreaking down walls is a good thing, but to find that behind every wall is another, is an idea that breads contempt, inadeqacy, and selfish behaviour, it is an idea that is a trick.

Only if you blindly believe that there is some mental state that explains everything, always and forever.¬† That blind faith is itself a prison, as it has never been attained, and never will be.¬† Far better to continue to strip scales from one,Äôs eyes, even if that process takes your entire life, and remains incomplete.

QuoteI have broken free of the BIP and I find that it is actually a lonely place, it is not populated with individuals, but it does not have any further walls and is not devoid of life. It is a free place that is to be explored and learnt from.

This paragraph alone makes it painfully clear that you have no understanding of what we are saying.¬† You obviously took a quick glance at the metaphor and it,Äôs symbolism, and came to a quick conclusion based upon your own biases, as opposed to the extensive dialogs that can be found here.

AFK

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Quote from: CloserToGodThe Black Iron Prison is an idea that I have come across on a website that touts the Principia Discordia and the Illuminatus trilogy books.

First off this is inaccurate.  I'd say we tear down the PD as much as we tout it.  And we hardly ever talk about the Illuminatus.

QuoteThe idea as it was explained to me is that in life you are trapped in a prison cell, it is dark and it is inescapable but you cannot see the walls that surround you. As an unwilling convict of this invisible penitentiary, you are in a position of pain and suffering and you have no way to break free until someone points out and makes you understand that you are in a prison.

This isn't even close.  And who was it from here that described the BIP in this manner?  My guess is no one.  Inescapable?  yes.  Dark?  for some maybe but it's not a universal.  Further, some can see the walls that surround them, that is, those who recognize how experiences and environments influence their evolution as a person in this world.  Those who recognize the forces that influence how they've grown and how they've acted in the past.  

Unwilling convict?  Well, by definition you are unwilling I suppose and if one were to accept the BIP as "dark" then perhaps this would be ominous, however again I would suggest this isn't the situation for all.  I would also put forth that the suggestion of "pain and suffering" is probably off.  There are many in a state of happy ignorant bliss who do not recognize the BIP, but yet, they still exist in one.  Perhaps the acceptance of it can lead some down a road where they allow themselves to suffer within it, but again, I would not say this to be the rule.  

QuoteOnce you understand that you are being held against your will, you may start to break down the bars of your jail window, it is a revalation, and a means of evading capture. however, your initial rapture of becoming a free man is short lived, as you will find that there is a cell outside of the cell in which you had been incarserated. While the walls of the first prison are now crumbled, there is another larger wall encasing the captive and another set of bars holding back the freedom which is sought.

this bit just doesn't make any sense.  First off, going with the premise if you are already captured how can you evade capture?  But beyond that logic faux pas, I think the author is missing some key ideas of the BIP, as some here believe.  "They lock is not a lock/the key is not a key"  
This means you are free to move from cell to cell.  It is not necessary to "destroy" a cell to escape to another one.  You can recognize the cell you are in, see the bars that make it up, and then look to see a hallway leading to other options, other cells with different bars.  You simply need to turn around and walk.  And, from time to time, we may wittingly or unwittingly return to our original cell.  Doors do not lock behind us, and they swing both ways.  I believe the author's visualization of the BIP is inaccurate and are coloring his writing.  

QuoteWhat I have found is that this analogy is a an unenlightened one, for it tells of failure to achieve enlightenment, and you had better not try again. It touts freedom but does not deliver. It is no truth bringer or real enlightenment, and is instead a masturbatory thought process that leads in a circle, and this ends in conformity, and bondage.

I call bullshit!  I think it is quite apparent #1 that while we tend to generally orbit similar ideas and theories, not all of our orbits are the same.  We overlap sometimes, but many times we do not.  There is an informal conformity here, I suppose, but not the straightjacket "bondage" type that the author is suggesting.  It is necessary to come together to some degree to publish and produce products, but if anyone actually read the BIP they could see, loud and clear, that there are many different voices with many different things to say.  

I would go on to suggest that the author finds this analogy to be unenlightened because, as demonstrated in the first parts of his writing, he just doesn't get it.  The author is focusing way too much on the "Black" of the BIP.  This is a Steven Jackson-esque focusing on the imagery and not the substance.  And if you start from there, you are imprisoning yourself to your own prejudices and preconceptions.  

We all here were, and still are, more than willing to discuss the ideas of the BIP with the author.  It was also suggested that the author do some honest homework on what has been written, by all of us.  From this description I find it very hard to believe that the author took more than a cursory skimming of the BIP pamphlet and related threads.  I invite the author to return, consider our rebuttals, and to discuss instead of hiding in his shelter of internet anonymity.  We are asshats, to be sure, but there is a sincere wish to understand how you came up with the way you view the BIP.  I think, as a matter of integrity to back up what you've written about us, that you owe us that much.  

QuoteI have broken free of the BIP and I find that it is actually a lonely place, it is not populated with individuals, but it does not have any further walls and is not devoid of life. It is a free place that is to be explored and learnt from.

Well, then by all means, drop us a line and let us know what it is like.  
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Cain

QuoteThe Black Iron Prison is an idea that I have come across on a website that touts the Principia Discordia and the Illuminatus trilogy books.

Not strictly true, the site is named for the book, but many of us are actually bored with discussing it and have moved onto over areas on inquiry.  A small point, some may say pedantic, but important.

QuoteThe idea as it was explained to me is that in life you are trapped in a prison cell, it is dark and it is inescapable but you cannot see the walls that surround you. As an unwilling convict of this invisible penitentiary, you are in a position of pain and suffering and you have no way to break free until someone points out and makes you understand that you are in a prison.

Then you misunderstood the metaphor entirely.

The prison is indeed inescapable, but not necessarily dark.  That you equate it with pain and suffering, which were never originally mentioned, says a lot about both your preconceptions and metaphysics in approaching this.

Also, furthermore, the point is that you cannot escape.  The prison was a metaphor for your senses and how you understand the world.  You will never have perfect knowledge.  You will never be able to know, be 100% certain of what is the truth and be objective about existence.

QuoteOnce you understand that you are being held against your will, you may start to break down the bars of your jail window, it is a revalation, and a means of evading capture. however, your initial rapture of becoming a free man is short lived, as you will find that there is a cell outside of the cell in which you had been incarserated. While the walls of the first prison are now crumbled, there is another larger wall encasing the captive and another set of bars holding back the freedom which is sought.

How can you escape your senses?  Do you posit some sort of transcendent knowledge here, or are you merely misunderstanding what has been said?  I am unaware of any of the former and the latter seems more plausible.

QuoteWhat I have found is that this analogy is a an unenlightened one, for it tells of failure to achieve enlightenment, and you had better not try again. It touts freedom but does not deliver. It is no truth bringer or real enlightenment, and is instead a masturbatory thought process that leads in a circle, and this ends in conformity, and bondage.

Who spoke of ,Äúenlightenment,Äù? Apart from you, of course.  Enlightenment is not the point or the goal.  Understanding mental processes, limitations and perceptions are the goal here.  Enlightenment is a sham, a metaphysical construct for a perfection of knowledge that cannot exist in this Universe.

You already have freedom.  Freedom is gained through choice and choice is contingent on subjective perception and understanding.  If you do not like how you view the world, how your philosophy or ideology or chosen system works, you can change it.  You cannot ever be right, but you can improve and progress.  That you seek a definite goal and define freedom as the lack of external barriers (as opposed to the ability to chose) again shows flaws in your basic assumptions of what this is about.

How does this process end in conformity?  If anything, it expresses the creative urge of the individual and how they can empower themselves to change their environment.  That there is no perfection, no idealist Utopia at the end of the road, is an issue of your own perceptions about how the world should work.  Its very presumptuous and also quite volatile and reactionary, as previous Utopian and Positivist movements have shown.

QuoteBreaking down walls is a good thing, but to find that behind every wall is another, is an idea that breads contempt, inadeqacy, and selfish behaviour, it is an idea that is a trick.

How is that so?  Only if you are weak minded and fear challenges, it would seem.  Who is there to direct contempt against?  No-one is responsible for your position except yourself, there is no divine trickster here, you cannot blame your cell mates, for they have unwillingly been thrust into the same position as you.  Inadequacy implies goals that are not met, and there is no goal here.  Selfish behaviour, I cannot even see how that follows from what we have said.  To what end would selfishness be in any way beneficial?

QuoteI have broken free of the BIP and I find that it is actually a lonely place, it is not populated with individuals, but it does not have any further walls and is not devoid of life. It is a free place that is to be explored and learnt from.

You have not broken free of anything.  Your own philosophy drips from this tract and shows your own limitations in your thoughts and ideas.  To claim you have broken free of anything is highly unlikely.  A Nietzschean would easily detect the underlying Christian/Positivist philosophy in your writings and quite correctly bring you to account on it, at great length.  That you probably do not realize this says so much about the invisible bars that hem in your thinking.

There are individuals everywhere, Laz.  A planet of them, over 6 billion now.  Many try not to be, because they would have to face responsibility for their actions, the fear of there being no control or higher power to justify their actions.  But they still exist, try as they might to deny it. 

hunter s.durden

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Quote from: CloserToGodI have broken free of the BIP and I find that it is actually a lonely place, it is not populated with individuals, but it does not have any further walls and is not devoid of life. It is a free place that is to be explored and learnt from.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This is a dumbfuck statement. Allow me to explain.

This forum is not quite like many others you may encounter. Sure, it has it's similarities, they all do. The thing that sets it apart is that most of the people that join are not competing.
"I'm way more Discordian that him. He hasn't read (insert gay hippie book here)."
"I'm way more out of the prison than you. How? Whatever, I am."

These things shouldn't be found here. Unfortunatly we are used to running across elitist assholes nowadays, where the above statements are the norm. When our confused new friend stop in here, this is what he heard:
"YOU are stuck in a prison. WE are out. YOU are an inadequate person, but WE can show you the way. Read our cults illustrious rants and pay the leaders homage, and you will be shown the way."
He should have read:
"WE are stuck in a prison. NOONE is out. WE are stupid monkeys, but we band together to make this room a little less cold, and maybe thin some bars. Read our cults illustrious rant, and you will have something to do this weekend."

See? Together everyone is ignorant and blind, but we strive forward.  Stop trying to impress people. Won't you be our neighbor?
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Hunter it's high time you wrote down a couple of decent length rant's. You're one of my favourite posters in this place but your posts are always just short quips. I demand you give us some diatribes, now. You owe it to your fans, you fuck!

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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 05, 2007, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: CloserToGodThe Black Iron Prison is an idea that I have come across on a website that touts the Principia Discordia and the Illuminatus trilogy books.

The idea as it was explained to me is that in life you are trapped in a prison cell, it is dark and it is inescapable but you cannot see the walls that surround you. As an unwilling convict of this invisible penitentiary, you are in a position of pain and suffering and you have no way to break free until someone points out and makes you understand that you are in a prison.

Once you understand that you are being held against your will, you may start to break down the bars of your jail window, it is a revalation, and a means of evading capture. however, your initial rapture of becoming a free man is short lived, as you will find that there is a cell outside of the cell in which you had been incarserated. While the walls of the first prison are now crumbled, there is another larger wall encasing the captive and another set of bars holding back the freedom which is sought.

What I have found is that this analogy is a an unenlightened one, for it tells of failure to achieve enlightenment, and you had better not try again. It touts freedom but does not deliver. It is no truth bringer or real enlightenment, and is instead a masturbatory thought process that leads in a circle, and this ends in conformity, and bondage.

Breaking down walls is a good thing, but to find that behind every wall is another, is an idea that breads contempt, inadeqacy, and selfish behaviour, it is an idea that is a trick.

I have broken free of the BIP and I find that it is actually a lonely place, it is not populated with individuals, but it does not have any further walls and is not devoid of life. It is a free place that is to be explored and learnt from.

The BIP is Grayface incarnate and a subforum about it on this forum is akin to sermonizing about the Devil in a church.  It's good to hear that you've transformed the Black Iron Prison into Freebird Paradise if it's true, but you seem like just another magician who refuses to reveal his tricks.  I'm all for messianic ideals when they're realistic, but not when it's a sham.  Care to elaborate on how you've escaped the inescapables of life that the BIP represents; things like death, taxes, and other grim iron bars of grayface?  Or are you too busy flying your magickkk carpet ?

Jasper

Quote from: Benaclypse on February 05, 2007, 10:30:50 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 05, 2007, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: CloserToGodThe Black Iron Prison is an idea that I have come across on a website that touts the Principia Discordia and the Illuminatus trilogy books.

The idea as it was explained to me is that in life you are trapped in a prison cell, it is dark and it is inescapable but you cannot see the walls that surround you. As an unwilling convict of this invisible penitentiary, you are in a position of pain and suffering and you have no way to break free until someone points out and makes you understand that you are in a prison.

Once you understand that you are being held against your will, you may start to break down the bars of your jail window, it is a revalation, and a means of evading capture. however, your initial rapture of becoming a free man is short lived, as you will find that there is a cell outside of the cell in which you had been incarserated. While the walls of the first prison are now crumbled, there is another larger wall encasing the captive and another set of bars holding back the freedom which is sought.

What I have found is that this analogy is a an unenlightened one, for it tells of failure to achieve enlightenment, and you had better not try again. It touts freedom but does not deliver. It is no truth bringer or real enlightenment, and is instead a masturbatory thought process that leads in a circle, and this ends in conformity, and bondage.

Breaking down walls is a good thing, but to find that behind every wall is another, is an idea that breads contempt, inadeqacy, and selfish behaviour, it is an idea that is a trick.

I have broken free of the BIP and I find that it is actually a lonely place, it is not populated with individuals, but it does not have any further walls and is not devoid of life. It is a free place that is to be explored and learnt from.

The BIP is Grayface incarnate and a subforum about it on this forum is akin to sermonizing about the Devil in a church.  It's good to hear that you've transformed the Black Iron Prison into Freebird Paradise if it's true, but you seem like just another magician who refuses to reveal his tricks.  I'm all for messianic ideals when they're realistic, but not when it's a sham.  Care to elaborate on how you've escaped the inescapables of life that the BIP represents; things like death, taxes, and other grim iron bars of grayface?  Or are you too busy flying your magickkk carpet ?

If you'd maybe think with your brane for a minute, you'd remember how order and disorder are equal opposites, part of the same thing.  There can still be chaos in a universe of the BIP, and indeed there is much.  You seem to focus on the name and imagery a lot.

Benaclypse

Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 06, 2007, 01:03:48 AM
Quote from: Benaclypse on February 05, 2007, 10:30:50 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 05, 2007, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: CloserToGodThe Black Iron Prison is an idea that I have come across on a website that touts the Principia Discordia and the Illuminatus trilogy books.

The idea as it was explained to me is that in life you are trapped in a prison cell, it is dark and it is inescapable but you cannot see the walls that surround you. As an unwilling convict of this invisible penitentiary, you are in a position of pain and suffering and you have no way to break free until someone points out and makes you understand that you are in a prison.

Once you understand that you are being held against your will, you may start to break down the bars of your jail window, it is a revalation, and a means of evading capture. however, your initial rapture of becoming a free man is short lived, as you will find that there is a cell outside of the cell in which you had been incarserated. While the walls of the first prison are now crumbled, there is another larger wall encasing the captive and another set of bars holding back the freedom which is sought.

What I have found is that this analogy is a an unenlightened one, for it tells of failure to achieve enlightenment, and you had better not try again. It touts freedom but does not deliver. It is no truth bringer or real enlightenment, and is instead a masturbatory thought process that leads in a circle, and this ends in conformity, and bondage.

Breaking down walls is a good thing, but to find that behind every wall is another, is an idea that breads contempt, inadeqacy, and selfish behaviour, it is an idea that is a trick.

I have broken free of the BIP and I find that it is actually a lonely place, it is not populated with individuals, but it does not have any further walls and is not devoid of life. It is a free place that is to be explored and learnt from.

The BIP is Grayface incarnate and a subforum about it on this forum is akin to sermonizing about the Devil in a church.  It's good to hear that you've transformed the Black Iron Prison into Freebird Paradise if it's true, but you seem like just another magician who refuses to reveal his tricks.  I'm all for messianic ideals when they're realistic, but not when it's a sham.  Care to elaborate on how you've escaped the inescapables of life that the BIP represents; things like death, taxes, and other grim iron bars of grayface?  Or are you too busy flying your magickkk carpet ?

If you'd maybe think with your brane for a minute, you'd remember how order and disorder are equal opposites, part of the same thing.  There can still be chaos in a universe of the BIP, and indeed there is much.  You seem to focus on the name and imagery a lot.

Thanx Einstein, for correcting the error of my ways, but I never said anything about the order/disorder dichotomy or anything about there being no chaos in it.  I just said that bip is a metaphor for Grayface, designed to break his face.  You seem to think the bip isn't literal or real and that its all just a discoteque.  Can't argue with that kind of genius.  Groovy.

LHX

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respect due

Quote from: Benaclypse on February 06, 2007, 03:22:49 AM
bip is a metaphor for Grayface, designed to break his face.

thats the good shit right there
neat hell

B_M_W

Quote from: Benaclypse on February 06, 2007, 03:22:49 AM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 06, 2007, 01:03:48 AM
Quote from: Benaclypse on February 05, 2007, 10:30:50 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 05, 2007, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: CloserToGodThe Black Iron Prison is an idea that I have come across on a website that touts the Principia Discordia and the Illuminatus trilogy books.

The idea as it was explained to me is that in life you are trapped in a prison cell, it is dark and it is inescapable but you cannot see the walls that surround you. As an unwilling convict of this invisible penitentiary, you are in a position of pain and suffering and you have no way to break free until someone points out and makes you understand that you are in a prison.

Once you understand that you are being held against your will, you may start to break down the bars of your jail window, it is a revalation, and a means of evading capture. however, your initial rapture of becoming a free man is short lived, as you will find that there is a cell outside of the cell in which you had been incarserated. While the walls of the first prison are now crumbled, there is another larger wall encasing the captive and another set of bars holding back the freedom which is sought.

What I have found is that this analogy is a an unenlightened one, for it tells of failure to achieve enlightenment, and you had better not try again. It touts freedom but does not deliver. It is no truth bringer or real enlightenment, and is instead a masturbatory thought process that leads in a circle, and this ends in conformity, and bondage.

Breaking down walls is a good thing, but to find that behind every wall is another, is an idea that breads contempt, inadeqacy, and selfish behaviour, it is an idea that is a trick.

I have broken free of the BIP and I find that it is actually a lonely place, it is not populated with individuals, but it does not have any further walls and is not devoid of life. It is a free place that is to be explored and learnt from.

The BIP is Grayface incarnate and a subforum about it on this forum is akin to sermonizing about the Devil in a church.  It's good to hear that you've transformed the Black Iron Prison into Freebird Paradise if it's true, but you seem like just another magician who refuses to reveal his tricks.  I'm all for messianic ideals when they're realistic, but not when it's a sham.  Care to elaborate on how you've escaped the inescapables of life that the BIP represents; things like death, taxes, and other grim iron bars of grayface?  Or are you too busy flying your magickkk carpet ?

If you'd maybe think with your brane for a minute, you'd remember how order and disorder are equal opposites, part of the same thing.  There can still be chaos in a universe of the BIP, and indeed there is much.  You seem to focus on the name and imagery a lot.

Thanx Einstein, for correcting the error of my ways, but I never said anything about the order/disorder dichotomy or anything about there being no chaos in it.  I just said that bip is a metaphor for Grayface, designed to break his face.  You seem to think the bip isn't literal or real and that its all just a discoteque.  Can't argue with that kind of genius.  Groovy.

I think you miss the point personally, but you are welcome to interpret it that way if you like.
One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

     --Reverse Brainwashing: A Guide http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9801.0


6.5 billion Buddhas walking around.

99.xxxxxxx% forgot they are Buddha.

LHX

lol

leave it to us to start bickering in this thread


lol lol lol


anyway - how is Ben's interpretation wrong? it seems pretty sharp from where im sitting
neat hell

B_M_W

Quote from: LHX on February 06, 2007, 03:55:05 AM
lol

leave it to us to start bickering in this thread


lol lol lol


anyway - how is Ben's interpretation wrong? it seems pretty sharp from where im sitting

Hes mixing up metaphores. Grayface is a symbol of the human attraction to and forcefull imposition of order. The Black Iron Prison is a metaphore for the limits of human senses, understanding, and knowlege of the universe.
One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

     --Reverse Brainwashing: A Guide http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9801.0


6.5 billion Buddhas walking around.

99.xxxxxxx% forgot they are Buddha.

Benaclypse

Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on February 06, 2007, 04:20:20 AM
Quote from: LHX on February 06, 2007, 03:55:05 AM
lol

leave it to us to start bickering in this thread


lol lol lol


anyway - how is Ben's interpretation wrong? it seems pretty sharp from where im sitting

Hes mixing up metaphores. Grayface is a symbol of the human attraction to and forcefull imposition of order. The Black Iron Prison is a metaphore for the limits of human senses, understanding, and knowlege of the universe.
I think you miss the point personally, but you are welcome to interpret it that way if you like.