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Started by AFK, February 13, 2007, 02:48:35 PM

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Quote from: LHX on February 15, 2007, 01:12:08 AM
according to this society, it is a mental disorder

but wouldn't disorder be a goodthing in our case?

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Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on February 15, 2007, 04:25:02 AM
Quote from: LHX on February 15, 2007, 01:12:08 AM
according to this society, it is a mental disorder

but wouldn't disorder be a goodthing in our case?

*mixing metaphores*

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Thurnez Isa

Quote from: LHX on February 15, 2007, 01:12:08 AM
according to this society, it is a mental disorder

well i think depression is a little more complicated then good and bad
and there could be so many types and reasons
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Quote from: Thurnez Isa on February 15, 2007, 04:33:30 AM
Quote from: LHX on February 15, 2007, 01:12:08 AM
according to this society, it is a mental disorder

well i think depression is a little more complicated then good and bad
and there could be so many types and reasons

my statement was vague and unclear

my bad


i agree with what you say

im saying according to the society we live in, most of this forum is symptomatic of a mental disorder
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Triple Zero

"this forum = a mental disorder", cute, but like TI also tries to point out, is maybe a littlebit evading the question.

let's not.

it would be kind of too easy to call a mental disorder, the real ones, that the person suffering them really suffers from, to call them "broken cells" or "malfunctioning cells".
the only thing we can be ("highly probably") sure of, is that at least they work different in a sort of way from the other cells. and this difference makes interacting with other users more difficult, leading to stress and suffering.

this "difference" could be even a very subtle one. let's say everybody lives in their average prison cells and they're all pretty much the same. there are doors between the cells and everybody has a copy of the same key that opens these doors, and there are parties in the cells every night.
except for the "different" cells, they are the same cells, except that the users got a random key that doesn't fit. and they sit in their cell sulking every night hearing the low throbbing bass and high shouts of the party outside ..   :sad: :cry:

with "the key" here i don't intend to suggest a "you're not cool enough to play with the cool kids", but more that the random key suggests a difficulty in communicating (doors) with the others.

ok this is but a simple poke at a possible BIP-model for (certain kinds of) mental disorder.
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Our society is a cause of many mental disorders.

Mental health is expressed as a range normally, with anything landing too far on one extreme or the other on a number of factors (such as introversion/extroversion or empathy/psychopathy) as having a disorder.

However, consider the state of society, where the is constant pressure to do one thing (often supplied by the media, religion, the state etc), where in fact, because of other factors (such as work, family, the structure of social life) many of these things become much harder to do.

Its not surprising that you get alcoholism, neurosis, introversion or complete psychopathy appearing with more regularity.  Coping mechanisms, ftl.

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Quote from: The Littlest Ubermensch on February 15, 2007, 01:05:06 AM
how does the BIP relate to mental disorders, and the diagnosis there of?

Well, if the BIP is the sum total of your experiences, plus the biological and physiological limitations of your body;

And, if we are to classify a mental disorder as a chemical imbalance (or, using more neutral language, and increase of one or more chemicals in the brain);

Or, a psychological state that doesn't cohere with the general populous, perhaps brought on by previous trauma;

Then, I would say that the mental disorder is just another bar of your cell.  Depending on how severe the biological and/or psychological deviation from "normal" is indicates the amount of work needed to change that part of your cell.


How does that sound?

LHX

Quote from: Cain on February 15, 2007, 11:55:45 AM
Our society is a cause of many mental disorders.

Mental health is expressed as a range normally, with anything landing too far on one extreme or the other on a number of factors (such as introversion/extroversion or empathy/psychopathy) as having a disorder.

However, consider the state of society, where the is constant pressure to do one thing (often supplied by the media, religion, the state etc), where in fact, because of other factors (such as work, family, the structure of social life) many of these things become much harder to do.

Its not surprising that you get alcoholism, neurosis, introversion or complete psychopathy appearing with more regularity.  Coping mechanisms, ftl.

Cain nailed it

Quote from: SillyCybin on February 15, 2007, 12:16:35 PM
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if mental health is the same as forcing yourself to 'go along with the status quo', does it even make sense to be 'mentally healthy'?

i could have a bias here - so if it seems off point, then call me on it
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Cain

The problem is that mental illness is both a social construct and a biological fact.  So you have to be very wary on those grounds.  Not much can be done biologically, except getting the right drugs and dosage... 

P3nT4gR4m

Quoteif mental health is the same as forcing yourself to 'go along with the status quo', does it even make sense to be 'mentally healthy'?

i could have a bias here - so if it seems off point, then call me on it

Compare mental health to physical health. Poor mental health is anything from disease to paraplegia - this is a disadvantage in anyone's book. Socially accepted mental health is kinda like being a skinny emaciated runt or morbidly obese - society want's you tho be like this, yuo are a good consumer but in no condition to buck the status quo. Then there's the Health Freaktm this guy scares society becuse he is strong enough and lean enough to pose a problem if he puts his mind to it.

Society makes no distinction between poor mental health and the Health Freaktm mental equivalent - both are 'mentally ill' both are enemies of the state.

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Triple Zero

what would constitute a mental health freak?

i can't think of much, except not watching TV and mentally deconstructing every other form of advertising that comes your way.
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Cain

7 Habits of Highly Effective People readers and other types of "Positive Thinking" sorts, I would think.

P3nT4gR4m

Someone who doesn't drink the kool aid, works on building up their memetic immune system or just plain uses their fucking head where all around them are plugging theirs into the machine.

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walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark