News:

Can anyone ever be sufficiently committed to Sparkle Motion?

Main Menu

The Velocity of $ = D$ / T

Started by Telarus, December 11, 2013, 05:16:39 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

Telarus

The Velocity of $ = D$ / T

OR, stated in plain English, the velocity of money can be thought of as the distance it travels (relative to the spender) within a time period.

Money that is spent often (i.e, it is received, then spent quickly, and the new recipient also spends it quickly) has a very high velocity.

Money that is stuffed into a mattress has a very low velocity (near zero, it would seem).

I got the concept from this blog post: http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-ever-slowing-velocity-of-money.html

There are a few graph calculating our economy's velocity, but this one really stood out. Note how the current economic velocity is LOWER than it was during the Great Depression:

(This image was sourced from: http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=9wK )

I'm still chewing on this myself, but thought I'd throw it up here.
Telarus, KSC,
.__.  Keeper of the Contradictory Cephalopod, Zenarchist Swordsman,
(0o)  Tender to the Edible Zen Garden, Ratcheting Metallic Sex Doll of The End Times,
/||\   Episkopos of the Amorphous Dreams Cabal

Join the Doll Underground! Experience the Phantasmagorical Safari!

LMNO

Something not pointed out is the remarkably stupid austerity measures that have been in place during this recession/recovery. The easiest way to speed up money, to the point of hitting the hyperdrive button, is government spending. During hard times, they're the ONLY ones capable of it. But if you put austerity measures in place, then NO ONE is spending ANYTHING.

Junkenstein

The above becomes even worse when you consider that Austerity is now a normal part of the political landscape. It's not going away any time soon so we could conceivably be on the way to the greatest recession.

Nice find Telarus, will dig into it more and see if I can come up with anything.
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

Telarus

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 11, 2013, 05:32:25 PM
The easiest way to speed up money, to the point of hitting the hyperdrive button, is government spending.

Great point LMNO. Note the steep drop on the graph in the shaded portion of 2008. Near the end, notice how the graph wasn't dropping quite as sharply? Yah, that was the "Stimulus". It didn't reverse the trend, and when it ended the velocity dropped faster (again).
Telarus, KSC,
.__.  Keeper of the Contradictory Cephalopod, Zenarchist Swordsman,
(0o)  Tender to the Edible Zen Garden, Ratcheting Metallic Sex Doll of The End Times,
/||\   Episkopos of the Amorphous Dreams Cabal

Join the Doll Underground! Experience the Phantasmagorical Safari!

Reginald Ret

Spending your way out of a recession is great if you would just default at the end. Can't the USA have a state seccede on the one condition that they take up all the national debt? Then that state goes bankrupt and the USA conquers the state. Presto! debt gone.
Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

Nigel saying the wisest words ever uttered: "It's just a suffix."

"The worst forum ever" "The most mediocre forum on the internet" "The dumbest forum on the internet" "The most retarded forum on the internet" "The lamest forum on the internet" "The coolest forum on the internet"

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: :regret: on December 12, 2013, 05:59:34 PM
Spending your way out of a recession is great if you would just default at the end. Can't the USA have a state seccede on the one condition that they take up all the national debt? Then that state goes bankrupt and the USA conquers the state. Presto! debt gone.

Uhhh how does that work? If the US conquered that state, they would then be responsible for its debts.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Reginald Ret

Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 12, 2013, 06:23:24 PM
Quote from: :regret: on December 12, 2013, 05:59:34 PM
Spending your way out of a recession is great if you would just default at the end. Can't the USA have a state seccede on the one condition that they take up all the national debt? Then that state goes bankrupt and the USA conquers the state. Presto! debt gone.

Uhhh how does that work? If the US conquered that state, they would then be responsible for its debts.
The state defaults before being conquered. Debt gone, credit rating shit. But their credit rating is not the USA's credit rating. Look, it is a great idea in theory. All it requires is that the banks don't use logic or pay attention.
Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

Nigel saying the wisest words ever uttered: "It's just a suffix."

"The worst forum ever" "The most mediocre forum on the internet" "The dumbest forum on the internet" "The most retarded forum on the internet" "The lamest forum on the internet" "The coolest forum on the internet"

whenhellfreezes

Quote from: :regret: on December 12, 2013, 07:14:37 PM
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 12, 2013, 06:23:24 PM
Quote from: :regret: on December 12, 2013, 05:59:34 PM
Spending your way out of a recession is great if you would just default at the end. Can't the USA have a state seccede on the one condition that they take up all the national debt? Then that state goes bankrupt and the USA conquers the state. Presto! debt gone.

Uhhh how does that work? If the US conquered that state, they would then be responsible for its debts.
The state defaults before being conquered. Debt gone, credit rating shit. But their credit rating is not the USA's credit rating. Look, it is a great idea in theory. All it requires is that the banks don't use logic or pay attention.

As per normal the onion has done it first. http://www.theonion.com/video/us-government-stages-fake-coup-to-wipe-out-nationa,14356/

Reginald Ret

Quote from: whenhellfreezes on December 27, 2013, 02:06:05 AM
Quote from: :regret: on December 12, 2013, 07:14:37 PM
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 12, 2013, 06:23:24 PM
Quote from: :regret: on December 12, 2013, 05:59:34 PM
Spending your way out of a recession is great if you would just default at the end. Can't the USA have a state seccede on the one condition that they take up all the national debt? Then that state goes bankrupt and the USA conquers the state. Presto! debt gone.

Uhhh how does that work? If the US conquered that state, they would then be responsible for its debts.
The state defaults before being conquered. Debt gone, credit rating shit. But their credit rating is not the USA's credit rating. Look, it is a great idea in theory. All it requires is that the banks don't use logic or pay attention.

As per normal the onion has done it first. http://www.theonion.com/video/us-government-stages-fake-coup-to-wipe-out-nationa,14356/
Dammit, i know there is a novel that did this years ago, but i can't remember what it is. Maybe Charles Stross' Rule 34?
Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

Nigel saying the wisest words ever uttered: "It's just a suffix."

"The worst forum ever" "The most mediocre forum on the internet" "The dumbest forum on the internet" "The most retarded forum on the internet" "The lamest forum on the internet" "The coolest forum on the internet"