Great letter, great tone. I suggest two minor corrections for the sake of clarity. I also spotted two typos:
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 23, 2012, 05:29:52 PM
Also, while I understand your religious views on Ggay marriage, I ask you to understand that our system of government and our rights as citizens do not spring from your church. In fact, the very reason you remain untaxed as an example of how is that you are supposed to be apolitical, just as while, in contrast, the government is not a religious function. Given that you do not feel constrained to prerserve this separation, I feel I have no choice but to ask my congressional representative to have your tax exempt status removed, with back taxes accruing from 1955 to the present.
Nice Job!
I'll be eagerly awaiting the results ... if any
Quote from: holist on October 28, 2012, 10:55:40 AM
Great letter, great tone. I suggest two minor corrections for the sake of clarity. I also spotted two typos:
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 23, 2012, 05:29:52 PM
Also, while I understand your religious views on Ggay marriage, I ask you to understand that our system of government and our rights as citizens do not spring from your church. In fact, the very reason you remain untaxed as an example of how is that you are supposed to be apolitical, just as while, in contrast, the government is not a religious function. Given that you do not feel constrained to prerserve this separation, I feel I have no choice but to ask my congressional representative to have your tax exempt status removed, with back taxes accruing from 1955 to the present.
Fuck off. Your first correction is NOT what I wanted to say, and I stopped right there. Leave me the fuck be, you stupid fucking mudfarmer.
I finally understand the concept of "soulmate".
Holist belongs with the old woman who "restored" Ecce Homo.
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 06:17:25 PM
I finally understand the concept of "soulmate".
Holist belongs with the old woman who "restored" Ecce Homo.
No, she was a sweet and confused old lady.
Holist is a pedantic prick who can't stop singing his love for me.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 06:10:56 PM
Quote from: holist on October 28, 2012, 10:55:40 AM
Great letter, great tone. I suggest two minor corrections for the sake of clarity. I also spotted two typos:
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 23, 2012, 05:29:52 PM
Also, while I understand your religious views on Ggay marriage, I ask you to understand that our system of government and our rights as citizens do not spring from your church. In fact, the very reason you remain untaxed as an example of how is that you are supposed to be apolitical, just as while, in contrast, the government is not a religious function. Given that you do not feel constrained to prerserve this separation, I feel I have no choice but to ask my congressional representative to have your tax exempt status removed, with back taxes accruing from 1955 to the present.
Fuck off. Your first correction is NOT what I wanted to say, and I stopped right there. Leave me the fuck be, you stupid fucking mudfarmer.
Holist might potentially be more tolerable if he just accepted that his grasp on English isn't what he thinks it is.
[quote author=Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth link=topic=33585.msg1219401#msg1219401
Holist might potentially be more tolerable if he just accepted that his grasp on English isn't what he thinks it is.
[/quote]
Pot calling the kettle black.
Leave me be, whatever you farm.
Quote from: holist on October 28, 2012, 06:39:28 PM
[quote author=Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth link=topic=33585.msg1219401#msg1219401
Holist might potentially be more tolerable if he just accepted that his grasp on English isn't what he thinks it is.
Pot calling the kettle black.
Leave me be, whatever you farm.
[/quote]
:popcorn:
Quote from: holist on October 28, 2012, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth link=topic=33585.msg1219401#msg1219401
Holist might potentially be more tolerable if he just accepted that his grasp on English isn't what he thinks it is.
Pot calling the kettle black.
Dear holist,
This turn of phrase doesn't belong here. It is supposed to convey that the other person (Nigel, in this case) is suffering from the same flaw as yourself (a poor understanding of the English language). Nigel's first language is English, and it does not appear to be yours. Thus, you have made yourself look foolish in an attempt to insult and shame Nigel, who had actually said something vaguely encouraging regarding you.
Sincerely,
Freeky.
Quote from: holist on October 28, 2012, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth link=topic=33585.msg1219401#msg1219401
Holist might potentially be more tolerable if he just accepted that his grasp on English isn't what he thinks it is.
Pot calling the kettle black.
Leave me be, whatever you farm.
:lulz: No, I freely admit that my grasp of your native language is nothing, although possibly you are arguing that it's not what I think it is, which would make it something. In which case I defer, as I cannot claim to be anything other than clueless.
But if you are seriously arguing that your plainly deficient grasp on American English is better than mine is, you're either stupid or delusional, puppy.
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 06:51:50 PM
Quote from: holist on October 28, 2012, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth link=topic=33585.msg1219401#msg1219401
Holist might potentially be more tolerable if he just accepted that his grasp on English isn't what he thinks it is.
Pot calling the kettle black.
Dear holist,
This turn of phrase doesn't belong here. It is supposed to convey that the other person (Nigel, in this case) is suffering from the same flaw as yourself (a poor understanding of the English language). Nigel's first language is English, and it does not appear to be yours. Thus, you have made yourself look foolish in an attempt to insult and shame Nigel, who had actually said something vaguely encouraging regarding you.
Sincerely,
Freeky.
Yeah, but she IS black.
Irrefutable logic, ITT.
Quote from: Cain on October 28, 2012, 07:01:36 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 06:51:50 PM
Quote from: holist on October 28, 2012, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth link=topic=33585.msg1219401#msg1219401
Holist might potentially be more tolerable if he just accepted that his grasp on English isn't what he thinks it is.
Pot calling the kettle black.
Dear holist,
This turn of phrase doesn't belong here. It is supposed to convey that the other person (Nigel, in this case) is suffering from the same flaw as yourself (a poor understanding of the English language). Nigel's first language is English, and it does not appear to be yours. Thus, you have made yourself look foolish in an attempt to insult and shame Nigel, who had actually said something vaguely encouraging regarding you.
Sincerely,
Freeky.
Yeah, but she IS black.
Irrefutable logic, ITT.
:lulz:
Quote from: Cain on October 28, 2012, 07:01:36 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 06:51:50 PM
Quote from: holist on October 28, 2012, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth link=topic=33585.msg1219401#msg1219401
Holist might potentially be more tolerable if he just accepted that his grasp on English isn't what he thinks it is.
Pot calling the kettle black.
Dear holist,
This turn of phrase doesn't belong here. It is supposed to convey that the other person (Nigel, in this case) is suffering from the same flaw as yourself (a poor understanding of the English language). Nigel's first language is English, and it does not appear to be yours. Thus, you have made yourself look foolish in an attempt to insult and shame Nigel, who had actually said something vaguely encouraging regarding you.
Sincerely,
Freeky.
Yeah, but she IS black.
Irrefutable logic, ITT.
:lulz:
I also have to point out that his repetition of Roger's "let me be" in his response to me made no sense whatsoever in the context of the conversation. He entered Roger's thread to erroneously "correct" Roger's post. Roger replied to Holist's post, and I directed a comment to Roger regarding Holist. I did not directly engage Holist, nor was I posting in his thread, so for all intents and purposes, I WAS "leaving him be". His "whatever you farm" comment (which should, for grammatical accuracy, have been written as "whatever it is you farm") was a clear reference to Roger's "mudfarmer" comment, and also made no sense when directed at anyone besides Roger.
It seems that Holist is not, at any given time, certain what person on this board he is addressing.
In conclusion, I am not entirely certain that Holist is not a bot.
I think holist, if not a bot, is probably drunk. Why is he drunk? Well, he has things as bad as prostitutes, you know. He probably has to get drunk before he can make himself do any freelance translation work.
Although if you take into account the behavior of a smallfry bully at the playground who was shut down by a mark that was cleverer than him, his "whatever you farm" comment makes perfect sense.
Or maybe he just wants to be Roger. Who the fuck knows?
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Although if you take into account the behavior of a smallfry bully at the playground who was shut down by a mark that was cleverer than him, his "whatever you farm" comment makes perfect sense.
Or maybe he just wants to be Roger. Who the fuck knows?
Thing is, ANYONE can be Roger. Replacing me isn't necessary.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Although if you take into account the behavior of a smallfry bully at the playground who was shut down by a mark that was cleverer than him, his "whatever you farm" comment makes perfect sense.
Or maybe he just wants to be Roger. Who the fuck knows?
Thing is, ANYONE can be Roger. Replacing me isn't necessary.
Ah, but see, what he REALLY wants isn't to really be like you, with the bad wiring and anger and realistic worldview. He wants the MIND LAZORS, the fanatical devotion of the board members, the fans, the interbutts cred. He wants to
be you.He's exactly like the small-fry schoolyard bully. He wants to be The Popular Kid.
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Although if you take into account the behavior of a smallfry bully at the playground who was shut down by a mark that was cleverer than him, his "whatever you farm" comment makes perfect sense.
Or maybe he just wants to be Roger. Who the fuck knows?
Thing is, ANYONE can be Roger. Replacing me isn't necessary.
Ah, but see, what he REALLY wants isn't to really be like you, with the bad wiring and anger and realistic worldview. He wants the MIND LAZORS, the fanatical devotion of the board members, the fans, the interbutts cred. He wants to be you.
He's exactly like the small-fry schoolyard bully. He wants to be The Popular Kid.
But anyone can be all that.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Although if you take into account the behavior of a smallfry bully at the playground who was shut down by a mark that was cleverer than him, his "whatever you farm" comment makes perfect sense.
Or maybe he just wants to be Roger. Who the fuck knows?
Thing is, ANYONE can be Roger. Replacing me isn't necessary.
Ah, but see, what he REALLY wants isn't to really be like you, with the bad wiring and anger and realistic worldview. He wants the MIND LAZORS, the fanatical devotion of the board members, the fans, the interbutts cred. He wants to be you.
He's exactly like the small-fry schoolyard bully. He wants to be The Popular Kid.
But anyone can be all that.
It isn't to be so much as to have, I think.
But how are you thinking? How can holist in particular get to be you?
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Although if you take into account the behavior of a smallfry bully at the playground who was shut down by a mark that was cleverer than him, his "whatever you farm" comment makes perfect sense.
Or maybe he just wants to be Roger. Who the fuck knows?
Thing is, ANYONE can be Roger. Replacing me isn't necessary.
Ah, but see, what he REALLY wants isn't to really be like you, with the bad wiring and anger and realistic worldview. He wants the MIND LAZORS, the fanatical devotion of the board members, the fans, the interbutts cred. He wants to be you.
He's exactly like the small-fry schoolyard bully. He wants to be The Popular Kid.
That would entail actually being likable, which is the crux of the bisquit here.
I can LIKE people who have cognitive disabilities. It's like Roger pointing out the difference between Holist and the old lady who "restored" the painting. Both fucked something up attempting to "improve" it. The difference is that the old lady can be referred to as "sweet".
Holist, OTOH, has the personality of a cesspool.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Although if you take into account the behavior of a smallfry bully at the playground who was shut down by a mark that was cleverer than him, his "whatever you farm" comment makes perfect sense.
Or maybe he just wants to be Roger. Who the fuck knows?
Thing is, ANYONE can be Roger. Replacing me isn't necessary.
Ah, but see, what he REALLY wants isn't to really be like you, with the bad wiring and anger and realistic worldview. He wants the MIND LAZORS, the fanatical devotion of the board members, the fans, the interbutts cred. He wants to be you.
He's exactly like the small-fry schoolyard bully. He wants to be The Popular Kid.
But anyone can be all that.
Most are too tied up in the desperately held concept that they can't. They had people telling them, their whole lives, that they can't be all that... and they believe those fuckers. Hear it often enough, and BELIEVE it often enough, and it's true.
You see it a lot, sadly.
Quote from: Luna on October 28, 2012, 07:40:30 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Although if you take into account the behavior of a smallfry bully at the playground who was shut down by a mark that was cleverer than him, his "whatever you farm" comment makes perfect sense.
Or maybe he just wants to be Roger. Who the fuck knows?
Thing is, ANYONE can be Roger. Replacing me isn't necessary.
Ah, but see, what he REALLY wants isn't to really be like you, with the bad wiring and anger and realistic worldview. He wants the MIND LAZORS, the fanatical devotion of the board members, the fans, the interbutts cred. He wants to be you.
He's exactly like the small-fry schoolyard bully. He wants to be The Popular Kid.
But anyone can be all that.
Most are too tied up in the desperately held concept that they can't. They had people telling them, their whole lives, that they can't be all that... and they believe those fuckers. Hear it often enough, and BELIEVE it often enough, and it's true.
You see it a lot, sadly.
Yes, but I think the opposite may be true of Holist: he has delusions of grandeur. :magick:
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 07:43:11 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 28, 2012, 07:40:30 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Although if you take into account the behavior of a smallfry bully at the playground who was shut down by a mark that was cleverer than him, his "whatever you farm" comment makes perfect sense.
Or maybe he just wants to be Roger. Who the fuck knows?
Thing is, ANYONE can be Roger. Replacing me isn't necessary.
Ah, but see, what he REALLY wants isn't to really be like you, with the bad wiring and anger and realistic worldview. He wants the MIND LAZORS, the fanatical devotion of the board members, the fans, the interbutts cred. He wants to be you.
He's exactly like the small-fry schoolyard bully. He wants to be The Popular Kid.
But anyone can be all that.
Most are too tied up in the desperately held concept that they can't. They had people telling them, their whole lives, that they can't be all that... and they believe those fuckers. Hear it often enough, and BELIEVE it often enough, and it's true.
You see it a lot, sadly.
Yes, but I think the opposite may be true of Holist: he has delusions of grandeur. :magick:
Hard to tell... Smells more like somebody desperate to prove he's got a bigger e-peen than... well, ANYBODY. That screams inferiority complex, to me.
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Although if you take into account the behavior of a smallfry bully at the playground who was shut down by a mark that was cleverer than him, his "whatever you farm" comment makes perfect sense.
Or maybe he just wants to be Roger. Who the fuck knows?
Thing is, ANYONE can be Roger. Replacing me isn't necessary.
Ah, but see, what he REALLY wants isn't to really be like you, with the bad wiring and anger and realistic worldview. He wants the MIND LAZORS, the fanatical devotion of the board members, the fans, the interbutts cred. He wants to be you.
He's exactly like the small-fry schoolyard bully. He wants to be The Popular Kid.
Because EVERYBODY LOVES ROGER ALL THE TIME. :lol:
I think that what people like this see is a strong personality who expresses themselves well and causes people to FEEL THINGS, and to REACT, and to ARGUE FOR OR AGAINST, and they see that reaction through their filters as power and adulation. They are wrong; it's just intensity, and that intensity of reaction can go against a strong charismatic person just as much as it can go for them. That's why it's important to be as close to right as possible if you're a person whose words cause people to feel and react intensely, because shit can go very badly awry. If you go around being wrong and you get the wrong people agreeing with you, you end up with Jonestown.
That's why I don't trust charismatic, affable leaders. If someone is charismatic, I prefer that they're also cranky and contrarian and would rather not so much have you agree with them, but to be able to launch a cohesive and convincing argument.
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 07:55:53 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Although if you take into account the behavior of a smallfry bully at the playground who was shut down by a mark that was cleverer than him, his "whatever you farm" comment makes perfect sense.
Or maybe he just wants to be Roger. Who the fuck knows?
Thing is, ANYONE can be Roger. Replacing me isn't necessary.
Ah, but see, what he REALLY wants isn't to really be like you, with the bad wiring and anger and realistic worldview. He wants the MIND LAZORS, the fanatical devotion of the board members, the fans, the interbutts cred. He wants to be you.
He's exactly like the small-fry schoolyard bully. He wants to be The Popular Kid.
Because EVERYBODY LOVES ROGER ALL THE TIME. :lol:
I never said it was based in reality. :lol:
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I think that what people like this see is a strong personality who expresses themselves well and causes people to FEEL THINGS, and to REACT, and to ARGUE FOR OR AGAINST, and they see that reaction through their filters as power and adulation. They are wrong; it's just intensity, and that intensity of reaction can go against a strong charismatic person just as much as it can go for them. That's why it's important to be as close to right as possible if you're a person whose words cause people to feel and react intensely, because shit can go very badly awry. If you go around being wrong and you get the wrong people agreeing with you, you end up with Jonestown.
That's why I don't trust charismatic, affable leaders. If someone is charismatic, I prefer that they're also cranky and contrarian and would rather not so much have you agree with them, but to be able to launch a cohesive and convincing argument.
This x a million.
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:39:09 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Although if you take into account the behavior of a smallfry bully at the playground who was shut down by a mark that was cleverer than him, his "whatever you farm" comment makes perfect sense.
Or maybe he just wants to be Roger. Who the fuck knows?
Thing is, ANYONE can be Roger. Replacing me isn't necessary.
Ah, but see, what he REALLY wants isn't to really be like you, with the bad wiring and anger and realistic worldview. He wants the MIND LAZORS, the fanatical devotion of the board members, the fans, the interbutts cred. He wants to be you.
He's exactly like the small-fry schoolyard bully. He wants to be The Popular Kid.
But anyone can be all that.
It isn't to be so much as to have, I think.
But how are you thinking? How can holist in particular get to be you?
Be yourself. Write what you think. Think things through. Don't cling to things that aren't real.
That's really all it takes.
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 07:55:53 PM
That's why it's important to be as close to right as possible if you're a person whose words cause people to feel and react intensely, because shit can go very badly awry. If you go around being wrong and you get the wrong people agreeing with you, you end up with Jonestown.
THIS.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 08:26:16 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:39:09 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Although if you take into account the behavior of a smallfry bully at the playground who was shut down by a mark that was cleverer than him, his "whatever you farm" comment makes perfect sense.
Or maybe he just wants to be Roger. Who the fuck knows?
Thing is, ANYONE can be Roger. Replacing me isn't necessary.
Ah, but see, what he REALLY wants isn't to really be like you, with the bad wiring and anger and realistic worldview. He wants the MIND LAZORS, the fanatical devotion of the board members, the fans, the interbutts cred. He wants to be you.
He's exactly like the small-fry schoolyard bully. He wants to be The Popular Kid.
But anyone can be all that.
It isn't to be so much as to have, I think.
But how are you thinking? How can holist in particular get to be you?
Be yourself. Write what you think. Think things through. Don't cling to things that aren't real.
That's really all it takes.
But that's TOO EASY! :lulz:
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 07:43:11 PM
Yes, but I think the opposite may be true of Holist: he has delusions of grandeur. :magick:
Nah. Through biological and social luck of the straw, I'm simply smarter than most of you. :lulz:
Quote from: holist on October 30, 2012, 06:09:17 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 07:43:11 PM
Yes, but I think the opposite may be true of Holist: he has delusions of grandeur. :magick:
Nah. Through biological and social luck of the straw, I'm simply smarter than most of you. :lulz:
Classic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Im a little confused as to what qualifies someone who admits that they dont speak english very well to assess the ability of a native english speaker to communicate properly in english? Unless holist somehow thinks that american english is inferior as a dialect?
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 30, 2012, 06:43:34 AM
Im a little confused as to what qualifies someone who admits that they dont speak english very well to assess the ability of a native english speaker to communicate properly in english? Unless holist somehow thinks that american english is inferior as a dialect?
Nothing. And even if he thinks American English is an inferior dialect, that has no bearing on the ability of American English speakers to communicate with other American English speakers. He is just intent on making himself look ever more like an ass.
I figured. Just thought it was worth noting. :)
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 30, 2012, 06:43:34 AM
Im a little confused as to what qualifies someone who admits that they dont speak english very well to assess the ability of a native english speaker to communicate properly in english? Unless holist somehow thinks that american english is inferior as a dialect?
Actually, you are just a little confused. Full stop. :lulz:
I have not admitted that I don't speak English very well. And the reason for that is that I actually do speak English very well.
Yep. Dunning Kruger.
Nigel shold be PAID to do this.
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 30, 2012, 10:28:05 PM
Yep. Dunning Kruger.
Nigel shold be PAID to do this.
Yes, she should.
I would in fact pay one of the Nigels to follow me around with a sock full of sand, and everytime I act in any way like Holist, she'd whack me on the side of the head.
We need a grant proposal. :lulz:
Quote from: holist on October 30, 2012, 06:09:17 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 07:43:11 PM
Yes, but I think the opposite may be true of Holist: he has delusions of grandeur. :magick:
Nah. Through biological and social luck of the straw, I'm simply smarter than most of you. :lulz:
It's "luck of the draw," holist.
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 30, 2012, 11:09:17 PM
Quote from: holist on October 30, 2012, 06:09:17 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 07:43:11 PM
Yes, but I think the opposite may be true of Holist: he has delusions of grandeur. :magick:
Nah. Through biological and social luck of the straw, I'm simply smarter than most of you. :lulz:
It's "luck of the draw," holist.
:lulz:
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 30, 2012, 10:54:04 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 30, 2012, 10:28:05 PM
Yep. Dunning Kruger.
Nigel shold be PAID to do this.
Yes, she should.
I would in fact pay one of the Nigels to follow me around with a sock full of sand, and everytime I act in any way like Holist, she'd whack me on the side of the head.
I think there's a franchise opportunity, here...
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 30, 2012, 11:09:17 PM
Quote from: holist on October 30, 2012, 06:09:17 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 07:43:11 PM
Yes, but I think the opposite may be true of Holist: he has delusions of grandeur. :magick:
Nah. Through biological and social luck of the straw, I'm simply smarter than most of you. :lulz:
It's "luck of the draw," holist.
I can't write a QED big enough.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 30, 2012, 10:54:04 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 30, 2012, 10:28:05 PM
Yep. Dunning Kruger.
Nigel shold be PAID to do this.
Yes, she should.
I would in fact pay one of the Nigels to follow me around with a sock full of sand, and everytime I act in any way like Holist, she'd whack me on the side of the head.
:lulz:
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 30, 2012, 11:09:17 PM
Quote from: holist on October 30, 2012, 06:09:17 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 07:43:11 PM
Yes, but I think the opposite may be true of Holist: he has delusions of grandeur. :magick:
Nah. Through biological and social luck of the straw, I'm simply smarter than most of you. :lulz:
It's "luck of the draw," holist.
:lulz: No, as a NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER YOU MUST BE MISTAKEN, because he's Holist. :lulz:
Quote from: CAKE on October 31, 2012, 02:31:17 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 30, 2012, 11:09:17 PM
Quote from: holist on October 30, 2012, 06:09:17 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 07:43:11 PM
Yes, but I think the opposite may be true of Holist: he has delusions of grandeur. :magick:
Nah. Through biological and social luck of the straw, I'm simply smarter than most of you. :lulz:
It's "luck of the draw," holist.
:lulz: No, as a NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER YOU MUST BE MISTAKEN, because he's Holist. :lulz:
Pscht, you're only saying that because you don't have the pluck from the slaw.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on October 31, 2012, 02:35:04 AM
Quote from: CAKE on October 31, 2012, 02:31:17 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 30, 2012, 11:09:17 PM
Quote from: holist on October 30, 2012, 06:09:17 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 07:43:11 PM
Yes, but I think the opposite may be true of Holist: he has delusions of grandeur. :magick:
Nah. Through biological and social luck of the straw, I'm simply smarter than most of you. :lulz:
It's "luck of the draw," holist.
:lulz: No, as a NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER YOU MUST BE MISTAKEN, because he's Holist. :lulz:
Pscht, you're only saying that because you don't have the pluck from the slaw.
The fuck in the craw?
The schmuck in the maw.
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 30, 2012, 11:09:17 PM
Quote from: holist on October 30, 2012, 06:09:17 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 07:43:11 PM
Yes, but I think the opposite may be true of Holist: he has delusions of grandeur. :magick:
Nah. Through biological and social luck of the straw, I'm simply smarter than most of you. :lulz:
It's "luck of the draw," holist.
Posts like this are why PD delivers.
Most definitely.
Whys holist being like this again? I remember he had a couple of false starts and then he disappeared.
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 31, 2012, 03:36:05 AM
Most definitely.
Whys holist being like this again? I remember he had a couple of false starts and then he disappeared.
Because we don't accept that he is prostituting his brain to do translation work.
Quote from: CAKE on October 30, 2012, 06:36:16 AM
Classic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Yep. On your part.
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 30, 2012, 11:09:17 PM
It's "luck of the draw," holist.
I think you'll find... just google it.
Quote from: holist on October 31, 2012, 06:45:45 AM
Quote from: CAKE on October 30, 2012, 06:36:16 AM
Classic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Yep. On your part.
(http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2011/6/4/91c8bb5b-683c-49de-b5e9-29bcaec5b3f9.jpg)
Quote from: CAKE on October 31, 2012, 02:31:17 AM
:lulz: No, as a NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER YOU MUST BE MISTAKEN, because he's Holist. :lulz:
Not quite... as a native speaker of English you may be mistaken (as in this case you were) - because no native speaker has knowledge of the entire lexicon.
Quote from: American Jackal on October 31, 2012, 03:45:09 AM
Because we don't accept that he is prostituting his brain to do translation work.
Nein! It's because he's given up.
Quote from: holist on October 31, 2012, 06:47:42 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 30, 2012, 11:09:17 PM
It's "luck of the draw," holist.
I think you'll find... just google it.
What, the first two results that advise making St. Brigid's Crosses on St. Patrick's Day for family fun even though the appropriate time to make St. Brigid's Crosses are on St. Brigid's Day?
That's just the name of the article dude.
Twid,
Irish
People: Please stop arguing with Holist on my thread.
And think about what you're doing: You are trying to get the last word with an aspie.
Good luck with that.
I thought he was pledged, anyway.
Quote from: holist on October 31, 2012, 06:49:56 AM
Quote from: CAKE on October 31, 2012, 02:31:17 AM
:lulz: No, as a NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER YOU MUST BE MISTAKEN, because he's Holist. :lulz:
Not quite... as a native speaker of English you may be mistaken (as in this case you were) - because no native speaker has knowledge of the entire lexicon.
OH MY GOD THIS CAN'T STOP GETTING BETTER! :lulz:
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 02:27:26 PM
People: Please stop arguing with Holist on my thread.
And think about what you're doing: You are trying to get the last word with an aspie.
Good luck with that.
Sorry, I'm not trying to argue so much as marvelling at the sheer trainwreck of self-ownage going down in this thread on Holist's part. It's like he's turned into a full-bore caricature of The Incorrect Pedant. It's AMAZING!
Suggestion: ask for thread split, partly to get the bullshit out of your thread, partly because IMO this gem of unconscious incompetence belongs on it's own.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 02:27:26 PM
People: Please stop arguing with Holist on my thread.
And think about what you're doing: You are trying to get the last word with an aspie.
Good luck with that.
Gonna also take this moment to point out that if Holist was really an Aspie, he would have taken a second to Google the common English idiom "luck of the draw" and concluded that it was he that was mistaken. But he hasn't. Whatever is wrong with these people isn't autism, it has way too much ego bound up in it.
Quote from: CAKE on October 31, 2012, 02:41:11 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 02:27:26 PM
People: Please stop arguing with Holist on my thread.
And think about what you're doing: You are trying to get the last word with an aspie.
Good luck with that.
Sorry, I'm not trying to argue so much as marvelling at the sheer trainwreck of self-ownage going down in this thread on Holist's part. It's like he's turned into a full-bore caricature of The Incorrect Pedant. It's AMAZING!
Suggestion: ask for thread split, partly to get the bullshit out of your thread, partly because IMO this gem of unconscious incompetence belongs on it's own.
Yeah, that was funny.
And yeah, thread split.
Quote from: CAKE on October 31, 2012, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 02:27:26 PM
People: Please stop arguing with Holist on my thread.
And think about what you're doing: You are trying to get the last word with an aspie.
Good luck with that.
Gonna also take this moment to point out that if Holist was really an Aspie, he would have taken a second to Google the common English idiom "luck of the draw" and concluded that it was he that was mistaken. But he hasn't. Whatever is wrong with these people isn't autism, it has way too much ego bound up in it.
Yeah, that too. But he has the aspie quality of HAVING to have the last word.
And "luck of the straw". :lulz:
That's the kind of translation skills that make the world the hilarious place that it is.
Quote from: holist on October 31, 2012, 06:47:42 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 30, 2012, 11:09:17 PM
It's "luck of the draw," holist.
I think you'll find... just google it.
I predict, when I do Google the phrase "luck of the draw", I will find a number of articles on the history of the phrase, which will strongly involve card games, likely poker, as many pop culture things in English frequently do.
BRBLOL
Nice drawman argument, Freeky.
:lulz:
http://idioms.yourdictionary.com/luck-of-the-draw
QuotePure chance, as in It isn't anyone's fault—it's just the luck of the draw. This expression alludes to the random drawing of a playing card. [Mid-1900s]
It is important to note, however, that the people who wrote the above may speak English as a first language, meaning they have no fucking clue what anything means, as they cannot understand their own Lexicon because they were raised with it.
Holist:
You know, after reading this silliness for some time now, I'd say that the real core "issue" is simply that you're no FUN. The whole thing is about FUN and you're neither generating nor really having any, it seems, unless you're creaming your jeans because you are a masochist. Like former members Number 6 and Dead Kennedy, you play one note VERY LOUDLY and then play it some more, as if persisting in playing it will make it more palateable, generate any tangible status for you or yield you any friends, digital or in-person. What do you expect from such behavior? Not that I personally give a shit, but I am idly curious.
The Church is a large and quirky group, but the overwhelming aspect of it is and has BEEN that it's fun. Even some of the notorious cranks of old showed variety and weaved their own amusing threads into the happysock that we call PD. Why, ECH himself is a shelled crab with an IQ of 400 and a DQ (Disgust Quotient) of EIGHT hundred and even a notorious pervert such as he is a valued - if more often dead than alive - member of this board.
You, however, have had precisely nothing to say. Where were you about 10 years ago when we started this abomination? Where were you in 2006, when the fun really started? Never mind that, really...There are plenty of members here that joined very recently and manage to contribute. So where are the podcasts of your rants? Do you engage in recognizable group conversations with any of us? Have you done anything but get into some downward-spiralling pissing contest that you'll philosophically (and in practical terms) lose, even if you "win?" What can you possibly do with such a "victory", Anyway? If you don't want to have some laughs or be welcome at the party, why are you even bothering?
Seriously, Holist, you're an asshole. You DON'T have fun, because you don't even know what fun IS. And this garbage here, this non-stop abortion that has formed around you on PD...That's the rest of your life, on display right in front of your eyes. I am sure your abject failure to have fun in England is just like your failure to get along here...Someone else's fault, right? It sure as hell isn't YOUR inability to communicate on even a basic level, is it? Of course it's not. Keep telling yourself that, as you bounce from one abject failure to another. That will make everything better.
The thought occurred to me today that holist might be conflating the phrases luck of the draw and to draw straws. Which really still doesnt help demonstrate his ability to speak english better than native english speakers.
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 31, 2012, 07:49:11 PM
The thought occurred to me today that holist might be conflating the phrases luck of the draw and to draw straws. Which really still doesnt help demonstrate his ability to speak english better than native english speakers.
I assume that's what he's doing... it's a pretty typical ESL mistake. It's the kind of mistake that makes for the adorably hilarious Engrish you see on www.engrish.com.
I will give it to him, holist is an EXPERT at speaking/writing Engrish.
Maybe we should start calling holist balky instead.
What the ever loving fuck happened here? I go to the hospital for a few days and this happens AGAIN.
Holist: You are quite mistaken in all of your statements. To wit, none of your corrections to Roger's letter are necessary or appropriate in common American English, and rather, come off as overly stiff and formal, just as if you use every single grammatically correct liaison in French while technically correct, marks you as either a non-native speaker, or that you lack social skills. As for "luck of the straw", after scouring the Internet and lists of English idioms, the best I can up with is that you mistook a fairly poor pun on the phrase "luck of the draw" and the act of drawing straws as a phrase in and of itself. It does not, of course, make us believe that you have a superior grasp of the English language when even after following your condescending advice, speaking with several native speakers from various regions and countries, and accessing specialized dialectical lists that you no doubt, as a translator, frequently refer to yourself, there is no supporting evidence for your assertion that you are "right" and the others are "wrong". I, in good faith, looked carefully and thoroughly through the resources at my disposal and have found that you are either aware of a phrase in English that has long since fallen into disuse, which does not seem likely when considering your previous attempts at communicating your points, or that you yourself have fallen into the very trap you are condemning others for, though they are actually quite competent in communicating in their own language. If you provide a credible source for this phrase, or admit that you are mistaken, then I will consider continuing to address you as if you are my peer. Otherwise, I'm afraid, even I, the model of restraint and civility, shall be forced, through no fault of my own, to shun most rigorously any attempt at communication between our two respective parties.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:19:31 PM
Nice drawman argument, Freeky.
:lulz:
WELL PLAYED, GOOD SIR. :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 31, 2012, 08:46:34 PM
Maybe we should start calling holist balky instead.
(http://www.gottli.com/perfect-strangers/images/PerfectStrangers.jpg)
Quote from: CAKE on November 01, 2012, 12:09:47 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 31, 2012, 08:46:34 PM
Maybe we should start calling holist balky instead.
(http://www.gottli.com/perfect-strangers/images/PerfectStrangers.jpg)
www.nothingsgonnastopmenow.com just took on a whole new meaning.
Quote from: holist on November 02, 2012, 10:12:01 AM
Cheer up! :lulz:
Apparently reading comprehension isn't one of his strong suits either.
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on November 02, 2012, 10:35:24 AM
Quote from: holist on November 02, 2012, 10:12:01 AM
Cheer up! :lulz:
Apparently reading comprehension isn't one of his strong suits either.
I thought it was clearly a facetious comment mimicking the shallow judgments mentioned in Phox's OP -
but it didn't contribute anything. Holist should do some reading (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,33623.0.html) (see listener guideline #4).
Quote from: chimes on November 03, 2012, 06:18:53 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on November 02, 2012, 10:35:24 AM
Quote from: holist on November 02, 2012, 10:12:01 AM
Cheer up! :lulz:
Apparently reading comprehension isn't one of his strong suits either.
I thought it was clearly a facetious comment mimicking the shallow judgments mentioned in Phox's OP -
but it didn't contribute anything. Holist should do some reading (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,33623.0.html) (see listener guideline #4).
Won't help. Holist is now here to show us what for, because we don't believe in homeopathy.
Quote from: Bu☆ns on November 01, 2012, 12:20:35 AM
Quote from: CAKE on November 01, 2012, 12:09:47 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 31, 2012, 08:46:34 PM
Maybe we should start calling holist balky instead.
(http://www.gottli.com/perfect-strangers/images/PerfectStrangers.jpg)
www.nothingsgonnastopmenow.com just took on a whole new meaning.
Holy crap that's actually kinda a fun game!
First of all, I think this thread is mistitled. It should be called:
ITT, Roger and mates demonstrate what a pointlessly pugnacious pissy posse of pervy posers they are(There are some exceptions: I will address some of those individually.)
Also, this thread was not started by me, it was started by Roger. I'm not complaining, "PD lies" is written in large, eye-catching print all over the cover, so it's just an observation.
So here goes:
First, from way back, this:
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 28, 2012, 08:26:16 PM
Be yourself. Write what you think. Think things through. Don't cling to things that aren't real.
That's really all it takes.
Yes. Correct. The thing is, though, Roger dear, you are failing your own test.
Are you yourself, as you present yourself here on PD? I doubt it somewhat, but let's assume it's true. It could well be true.
Do you write what you think? Yes, I think you do. Though I'm pretty certain there is also stuff you think that you don't write.
Do you think things through? Like fuck. You shoot from the hip and don't look back. No, you don't think things through as a rule, though there are signs that you do have the inclination to do so if pressed by people you respect. In most cases though, you are too full of yourself not to think you've already thought it through when in fact you haven't.
Do you cling to things that aren't real? Yes, all the time. A great many of your opinions about what the world is like fall in this category. "holist is an aspie" is a case in point. One of very many.
All of which implies that you are not Roger. Weird. Unless you can actually stop doing the right stuff once you become Roger, and then you can just let yourself go to seed.
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Second, this:
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 03:26:31 PM
And "luck of the straw". :lulz:
That's the kind of translation skills that make the world the hilarious place that it is.
Actually, this
is an example of pointless pugnacity. Given that I was writing English, and no translation skills of any sort were involved, you are simply making a lame attempt at rubbing it in. And you do succeed, in a way... :lulz:
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Third:
[quote author=Freeky Queen of DERP
I predict, when I do Google the phrase "luck of the draw", I will find a number of articles on the history of the phrase, which will strongly involve card games, likely poker, as many pop culture things in English frequently do.
[/quote]
I meant google the phrase whose existence you contested, i.e. "luck of the straw", you daft person.
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Fourth, more wanking Rogery, but I feel compelled to quote it:
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:23:38 PM
http://idioms.yourdictionary.com/luck-of-the-draw
QuotePure chance, as in It isn't anyone's fault—it's just the luck of the draw. This expression alludes to the random drawing of a playing card. [Mid-1900s]
It is important to note, however, that the people who wrote the above may speak English as a first language, meaning they have no fucking clue what anything means, as they cannot understand their own Lexicon because they were raised with it.
Firstly, however native a speaker you believe yourself to be, you were not raised with the entire lexicon of English. Nobody is, it would be a physical impossibility. Or near enough.
Secondly, the existence of one idiomatic phrase does not disprove the existence of another. I don't think you need advanced logic to realise this, just imagine somebody tried to disprove your claim that "dogs exist" with this response: "nooo, you stupid foreigner, dogs don't exist, because cats exist! and hyenas!".
:tldr:
I love how Holist is clinging fiercely to the assertion that he knows of some english-language phrase that not one single native english speaker on this board has ever heard of.
Holist, I have no dog in this fight and am, in fact, completely supportive of your efforts to turn yourself into a biped, but please realize how completely ridiculous you sound right now. It's OK to just admit to being wrong. It doesn't hurt and it might even garner you a modicum of respect.
Also, googling the phrase "luck of the straw" turns up NOTHING suggesting this is an actual phrase. It does, however, appear to be both a simple flash game and a kids' crafting site.
Then there was the epistle to the Hungarian. I'll do that one bit by bit:
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Holist:
You know, after reading this silliness for some time now, I'd say that the real core "issue" is simply that you're no FUN. The whole thing is about FUN and you're neither generating nor really having any, it seems, unless you're creaming your jeans because you are a masochist.
Actually, I am having tremendous amounts of fun. Most of it not here, but some of it here. And I think the reason you are still talking to me, instead of keeping your promises and not bothering, is the nagging suspicion that I may be right when I say this: I have a great deal more fun than you do, which is why I have very clearly less time for this mediocre board largely populated by full-time or at least part-time clueless egoists than you do.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Like former members Number 6 and Dead Kennedy, you play one note VERY LOUDLY and then play it some more, as if persisting in playing it will make it more palateable, generate any tangible status for you or yield you any friends, digital or in-person. What do you expect from such behavior? Not that I personally give a shit, but I am idly curious.
You are being so daft it's really funny. (That's one thing I gain.) Homeopathy. Origin of music. Origin of consciousness. My music. My art. My recent brush with death. One note, ha? Like fuck it is one note. The thing is, you need stupid in order to feel clever, and the moment you think you've heard that sweet tone, you stop listening to anything else. I know you've seen all of it, but you chose not to respond. Because it was threatening your precious dose of stupid.
Mostly though, I'm not playing to win, I'm playing to play. I have plenty of friends already, real and digital. As for the last sentence of that bit ('Not that I personally give a shit, but I am idly curious") - why don't you enter that one in a blatant lie competition?
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
The Church is a large and quirky group, but the overwhelming aspect of it is and has BEEN that it's fun. Even some of the notorious cranks of old showed variety and weaved their own amusing threads into the happysock that we call PD. Why, ECH himself is a shelled crab with an IQ of 400 and a DQ (Disgust Quotient) of EIGHT hundred and even a notorious pervert such as he is a valued - if more often dead than alive - member of this board.
Actually, looking at the traffic, it's not that large. The usual ten percent (who generate most of the content) is not much more than 20 people. There are more occasional speakers, for sure, and definitely there is a largely silent corps. The half-hearted joke about ECH is lame.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
You, however, have had precisely nothing to say.
I had and still have a great deal to say. I have, however, repeatedly sinned against the dogma (there is always dogma), so whatever I say (freaky accident, pictures I'm told are pretty good, music I know is pretty good, especially in comparison to some of the dross that gets praised here, and that's not even a complete list) is
per definitionem uninteresing. Which is a pity, but not much of a pity. I initially overestimated it. It's a pity like stepping in dogshit is a pity.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Where were you about 10 years ago when we started this abomination?
10 years ago? I was a year after moving house in order to be near the single decent school I could find that I could also afford in this godforsaken country, getting the new house organised, building a fence (there wasn't one), building furniture, looking after four little boys (they are much bigger by now), getting stoned far too much, earning money translating, hence working from home and being with my family all the time, which has many ups and a few downs, also 4 years into starting and running a virtual community for likeminded people who value freedom, autonomy and freak over comfort, lack of responsibility and keeping up with the Joneses. It was a closed e-mail list with a slowly fluctuating membership of 20-25 families (all of whom, however, were active, serious contributors), a web presence requesting a detailed introduction and statement of intent in return for being considered for membership. This thing became an IRL community with big meet-ups twice or three-times a year. Then some of the senior members (including me) divorced acrimoniously, and the list couldn't take the strain, dropped dead. Though after a break of 6 years or so, I am thinking of trying to kick-start it again. Unfortunately, no-one told me that PD was happening. Had I heard about it, I would have dropped in. May even have liked you better, you were probably less bitter.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Where were you in 2006, when the fun really started?
In 2006? Still the same place, doing much the same thing, getting ready for the divorce a year later, the most godawful time of my life. I was a bit of a sloth then. I am no longer. I wonder if I would have found the thing you say started then fun.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Never mind that, really...There are plenty of members here that joined very recently and manage to contribute. So where are the podcasts of your rants?
I have six kids living in my house. I think I said so, straight away. Can you fucken imagine what that is like? The oldest is 17, turning into a bit of a pothead and as yet unable to make up his mind about what to do with his life. There's a 15-year-old introverted genius, I am in the process of organising on-line Blender sessions for him, cause he's talented that way and he's outgrown minecraft (in which he's built large proto-turing-machines) or stick-figure animation (though his stuff is funny). And the list goes on... the youngest is 2 and 3 months (her image even made your resolve waver, for a bit). On Mondays and Wednesdays, when her mum is at her part-time job being a child psychologist who does dynamic sensory integration therapy (basically, teaching children who have been denied it by incompetent parents the joys of physical play), I'm with her all day. I was today. I tend to do the cooking for this family, and most of the shopping (she does washing and clearing up, mostly). I need to be on top of a car insurance claim involving a foreign car causing the accident, keep 7 bicycles in decent enough nick as they are our only means of machine-assisted locomotion now.
And despite all of that, in the last two months I have started non-verbal analytically oriented art therapy, which is working great, tripped twice (breaking my usual rule of usually once a year, the theurapy maade me dooit!), fantastic on both occasions, got me a decent oldish camera and started taking and editing many pictures (but no response to the first one, which I also posted here), joined a band which previously consisted of three madly talented 11-year-old boys, as bass-player and producer (first videos will be posted shortly), am about to join an improvisational theatre company as a musician, and I am taking up boxing, because it's weird that despite being a pretty outspoken and critical person, I have somehow never been in physical conflict for real.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Do you engage in recognizable group conversations with any of us?
I did try to, but you and Nigel keep fucking preventing it by inserting many moronically boring, insulting comments in there that speak volumes about your cluelessness while they disrupt the thread. Last time was the "not everyone is beautiful" subject. There, again, you completely missed the point and decided to get your fix of imaginary stupid. By now, I've sort of given up, though there is that thread by the Ayotollah... I am considering my next response.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Have you done anything but get into some downward-spiralling pissing contest that you'll philosophically (and in practical terms) lose, even if you "win?"
Yes, I have. I doubt that you are capable of actually going back and checking and noticing it, though.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
What can you possibly do with such a "victory", Anyway?
Fucked if I know, never wanted one, either. What do you do with them?
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
If you don't want to have some laughs or be welcome at the party, why are you even bothering?
I did want to have some laughs. And I did want to be welcome at the party. But not at the cost of conforming to shit I don't feel comfy with, or shutting up when I feel like speaking. This has not been possible. Largely on account of your good self and a few others, whom you don't need to control with mind-lazors, as they are perfectly capable of finding their own father-figure with just a few clues of the right sort.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Seriously, Holist, you're an asshole.
Seriously, Roger, you are an asshole. A pitiful little rooster ever so proud and frightfully jealous of his pitiful little dunghill that he pitifully imagines to be a royal castle of weird.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
You DON'T have fun, because you don't even know what fun IS.
You poor deluded shitebag. You know what? I forgive you. You know not what you are on about. :lulz:
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
And this garbage here, this non-stop abortion that has formed around you on PD...
I don't know if you've noticed, but it's not actually non-stop. I take long breaks out, because I have a life. You, of course, are here practically every one of your wretched evenings...
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
That's the rest of your life, on display right in front of your eyes. I am sure your abject failure to have fun in England is just like your failure to get along here...
You are so sure so often. It's a sign of being delusional, you know. I got depressed in England, true, but I still had fun (played a gig for 2000 people and four smaller gigs for up to a hundred, with 3 different bands, for instance, and met some pretty good British, Central-American and Hungarian musicians in the process). As to why I got depressed, I have now come to the conclusion that it was essentially 4 things: 1, it took a manic burst to move such a huge family to England, and in that manic burst, I underestimated the difficulty of the job waiting for me there. Once I got there, and realised that I would not be all good and settled with new friends in 6 months, as even with the best of luck that would take more like 2 or 3 years, it was hard to take. 2: I started getting state benefits. I had thought I'd have no problems with that, but in the event it turned out that I felt like a hypocrit: how can you maintain being an anti-state, anti-machine anomalous maverick if half your income comes from social benefits? So there was that, and we couldn't have stayed alive otherwise, 3: two of the kids really hated it, my youngest son decided to come home to mummy in April, and another, though she stayed until the end of the school year, refused to even consider not moving back to Hungary; 4: I had to realise that the interwebs between the two places are not mature enough to allow me to keep in touch with my friends the way I had thought I could. All of those things first got me very depressed (before I figured them out), then got me moving back to here.
Your supposition is unfair, unfounded, and tells me only one thing: you are an excessively self-assured douchebag.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Someone else's fault, right?
Which one, you equivocating shit-for-brains? The failure to move to England was up to me. I don't consider it a fault because it put Hungary in perspective for me: I like it much better than I did before, and this is likely to last until I figure out a better place to go (if things really get bad here). Misjudged my jump, fell on my face, got up, nothing broken, try again. For a better example of an "abject failure", take a look at your own life.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
It sure as hell isn't YOUR inability to communicate on even a basic level, is it? Of course it's not. Keep telling yourself that, as you bounce from one abject failure to another. That will make everything better.
Curses are like boomerangs, nobody told you that? There you go. I'll let you have that one for free.
Quote from: holist on November 05, 2012, 06:25:45 PM
Then there was the epistle to the Hungarian. I'll do that one bit by bit:
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Holist:
You know, after reading this silliness for some time now, I'd say that the real core "issue" is simply that you're no FUN. The whole thing is about FUN and you're neither generating nor really having any, it seems, unless you're creaming your jeans because you are a masochist.
Actually, I am having tremendous amounts of fun. Most of it not here, but some of it here. And I think the reason you are still talking to me, instead of keeping your promises and not bothering, is the nagging suspicion that I may be right when I say this: I have a great deal more fun than you do, which is why I have very clearly less time for this mediocre board largely populated by full-time or at least part-time clueless egoists than you do.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Like former members Number 6 and Dead Kennedy, you play one note VERY LOUDLY and then play it some more, as if persisting in playing it will make it more palateable, generate any tangible status for you or yield you any friends, digital or in-person. What do you expect from such behavior? Not that I personally give a shit, but I am idly curious.
You are being so daft it's really funny. (That's one thing I gain.) Homeopathy. Origin of music. Origin of consciousness. My music. My art. My recent brush with death. One note, ha? Like fuck it is one note. The thing is, you need stupid in order to feel clever, and the moment you think you've heard that sweet tone, you stop listening to anything else. I know you've seen all of it, but you chose not to respond. Because it was threatening your precious dose of stupid.
Mostly though, I'm not playing to win, I'm playing to play. I have plenty of friends already, real and digital. As for the last sentence of that bit ('Not that I personally give a shit, but I am idly curious") - why don't you enter that one in a blatant lie competition?
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
The Church is a large and quirky group, but the overwhelming aspect of it is and has BEEN that it's fun. Even some of the notorious cranks of old showed variety and weaved their own amusing threads into the happysock that we call PD. Why, ECH himself is a shelled crab with an IQ of 400 and a DQ (Disgust Quotient) of EIGHT hundred and even a notorious pervert such as he is a valued - if more often dead than alive - member of this board.
Actually, looking at the traffic, it's not that large. The usual ten percent (who generate most of the content) is not much more than 20 people. There are more occasional speakers, for sure, and definitely there is a largely silent corps. The half-hearted joke about ECH is lame.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
You, however, have had precisely nothing to say.
I had and still have a great deal to say. I have, however, repeatedly sinned against the dogma (there is always dogma), so whatever I say (freaky accident, pictures I'm told are pretty good, music I know is pretty good, especially in comparison to some of the dross that gets praised here, and that's not even a complete list) is per definitionem uninteresing. Which is a pity, but not much of a pity. I initially overestimated it. It's a pity like stepping in dogshit is a pity.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Where were you about 10 years ago when we started this abomination?
10 years ago? I was a year after moving house in order to be near the single decent school I could find that I could also afford in this godforsaken country, getting the new house organised, building a fence (there wasn't one), building furniture, looking after four little boys (they are much bigger by now), getting stoned far too much, earning money translating, hence working from home and being with my family all the time, which has many ups and a few downs, also 4 years into starting and running a virtual community for likeminded people who value freedom, autonomy and freak over comfort, lack of responsibility and keeping up with the Joneses. It was a closed e-mail list with a slowly fluctuating membership of 20-25 families (all of whom, however, were active, serious contributors), a web presence requesting a detailed introduction and statement of intent in return for being considered for membership. This thing became an IRL community with big meet-ups twice or three-times a year. Then some of the senior members (including me) divorced acrimoniously, and the list couldn't take the strain, dropped dead. Though after a break of 6 years or so, I am thinking of trying to kick-start it again. Unfortunately, no-one told me that PD was happening. Had I heard about it, I would have dropped in. May even have liked you better, you were probably less bitter.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Where were you in 2006, when the fun really started?
In 2006? Still the same place, doing much the same thing, getting ready for the divorce a year later, the most godawful time of my life. I was a bit of a sloth then. I am no longer. I wonder if I would have found the thing you say started then fun.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Never mind that, really...There are plenty of members here that joined very recently and manage to contribute. So where are the podcasts of your rants?
I have six kids living in my house. I think I said so, straight away. Can you fucken imagine what that is like? The oldest is 17, turning into a bit of a pothead and as yet unable to make up his mind about what to do with his life. There's a 15-year-old introverted genius, I am in the process of organising on-line Blender sessions for him, cause he's talented that way and he's outgrown minecraft (in which he's built large proto-turing-machines) or stick-figure animation (though his stuff is funny). And the list goes on... the youngest is 2 and 3 months (her image even made your resolve waver, for a bit). On Mondays and Wednesdays, when her mum is at her part-time job being a child psychologist who does dynamic sensory integration therapy (basically, teaching children who have been denied it by incompetent parents the joys of physical play), I'm with her all day. I was today. I tend to do the cooking for this family, and most of the shopping (she does washing and clearing up, mostly). I need to be on top of a car insurance claim involving a foreign car causing the accident, keep 7 bicycles in decent enough nick as they are our only means of machine-assisted locomotion now.
And despite all of that, in the last two months I have started non-verbal analytically oriented art therapy, which is working great, tripped twice (breaking my usual rule of usually once a year, the theurapy maade me dooit!), fantastic on both occasions, got me a decent oldish camera and started taking and editing many pictures (but no response to the first one, which I also posted here), joined a band which previously consisted of three madly talented 11-year-old boys, as bass-player and producer (first videos will be posted shortly), am about to join an improvisational theatre company as a musician, and I am taking up boxing, because it's weird that despite being a pretty outspoken and critical person, I have somehow never been in physical conflict for real.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Do you engage in recognizable group conversations with any of us?
I did try to, but you and Nigel keep fucking preventing it by inserting many moronically boring, insulting comments in there that speak volumes about your cluelessness while they disrupt the thread. Last time was the "not everyone is beautiful" subject. There, again, you completely missed the point and decided to get your fix of imaginary stupid. By now, I've sort of given up, though there is that thread by the Ayotollah... I am considering my next response.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Have you done anything but get into some downward-spiralling pissing contest that you'll philosophically (and in practical terms) lose, even if you "win?"
Yes, I have. I doubt that you are capable of actually going back and checking and noticing it, though.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
What can you possibly do with such a "victory", Anyway?
Fucked if I know, never wanted one, either. What do you do with them?
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
If you don't want to have some laughs or be welcome at the party, why are you even bothering?
I did want to have some laughs. And I did want to be welcome at the party. But not at the cost of conforming to shit I don't feel comfy with, or shutting up when I feel like speaking. This has not been possible. Largely on account of your good self and a few others, whom you don't need to control with mind-lazors, as they are perfectly capable of finding their own father-figure with just a few clues of the right sort.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Seriously, Holist, you're an asshole.
Seriously, Roger, you are an asshole. A pitiful little rooster ever so proud and frightfully jealous of his pitiful little dunghill that he pitifully imagines to be a royal castle of weird.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
You DON'T have fun, because you don't even know what fun IS.
You poor deluded shitebag. You know what? I forgive you. You know not what you are on about. :lulz:
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
And this garbage here, this non-stop abortion that has formed around you on PD...
I don't know if you've noticed, but it's not actually non-stop. I take long breaks out, because I have a life. You, of course, are here practically every one of your wretched evenings...
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
That's the rest of your life, on display right in front of your eyes. I am sure your abject failure to have fun in England is just like your failure to get along here...
You are so sure so often. It's a sign of being delusional, you know. I got depressed in England, true, but I still had fun (played a gig for 2000 people and four smaller gigs for up to a hundred, with 3 different bands, for instance, and met some pretty good British, Central-American and Hungarian musicians in the process). As to why I got depressed, I have now come to the conclusion that it was essentially 4 things: 1, it took a manic burst to move such a huge family to England, and in that manic burst, I underestimated the difficulty of the job waiting for me there. Once I got there, and realised that I would not be all good and settled with new friends in 6 months, as even with the best of luck that would take more like 2 or 3 years, it was hard to take. 2: I started getting state benefits. I had thought I'd have no problems with that, but in the event it turned out that I felt like a hypocrit: how can you maintain being an anti-state, anti-machine anomalous maverick if half your income comes from social benefits? So there was that, and we couldn't have stayed alive otherwise, 3: two of the kids really hated it, my youngest son decided to come home to mummy in April, and another, though she stayed until the end of the school year, refused to even consider not moving back to Hungary; 4: I had to realise that the interwebs between the two places are not mature enough to allow me to keep in touch with my friends the way I had thought I could. All of those things first got me very depressed (before I figured them out), then got me moving back to here.
Your supposition is unfair, unfounded, and tells me only one thing: you are an excessively self-assured douchebag.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Someone else's fault, right?
Which one, you equivocating shit-for-brains? The failure to move to England was up to me. I don't consider it a fault because it put Hungary in perspective for me: I like it much better than I did before, and this is likely to last until I figure out a better place to go (if things really get bad here). Misjudged my jump, fell on my face, got up, nothing broken, try again. For a better example of an "abject failure", take a look at your own life.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
It sure as hell isn't YOUR inability to communicate on even a basic level, is it? Of course it's not. Keep telling yourself that, as you bounce from one abject failure to another. That will make everything better.
Curses are like boomerangs, nobody told you that? There you go. I'll let you have that one for free.
Printing out for the Wall of Gloriousness. :lulz:
:lulz: Your attempted psycho-analysis of Roger was hilarious. Honest-to-god hilarious. I'm glad I wasn't actually in class when I read it.
Also, you are indeed one note. It's ALL OF THE BUTTHURT! You are the song of Roger's people. That is it. Whenever you start to play something else (and you do, like your stupid homeopathy nonsense) you immediate devolve into a monophone once confronted.
Also, also, this board has a lot of native English speakers. Surely, if you weren't full of shit, one of us would have heard of your stupid idiom. No one has, not the North Americans nor the Eurospags nor the Upsidedown People. So, uh, I'm pretty sure that's a sign you're full of horse shit.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 05, 2012, 06:44:00 PM
:lulz: Your attempted psycho-analysis of Roger was hilarious. Honest-to-god hilarious. I'm glad I wasn't actually in class when I read it.
Also, you are indeed one note. It's ALL OF THE BUTTHURT! You are the song of Roger's people.
I am their king, and they are my people. :lulz:
QuoteThat is it. Whenever you start to play something else (and you do, like your stupid homeopathy nonsense) you immediate devolve into a monophone once confronted.
You know, I should probably try to find out what else Nigel and I are responsible for.
Because I'd like to think we did a little more than he listed.
And finally, this:
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on October 31, 2012, 10:12:19 PM
What the ever loving fuck happened here? I go to the hospital for a few days and this happens AGAIN.
I hope you're better.
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on October 31, 2012, 10:12:19 PM
Holist: You are quite mistaken in all of your statements. To wit, none of your corrections to Roger's letter are necessary or appropriate in common American English, and rather, come off as overly stiff and formal, just as if you use every single grammatically correct liaison in French while technically correct, marks you as either a non-native speaker, or that you lack social skills.
It seemed to me, from the rest of his letter, that he was aiming for a rather stiff, formal tone. Also, are you saying that the word "gay" is usually written with a capital "G" in America? I actually checked that one, and didn't seem to be the case. Furthermore, do you actually reckon that this sentence: "In fact, you remain untaxed as an example of how you are supposed to be apolitical, ust as the government is not a religious function." is a well-written, easily parsed example of English (even the American variety)? Are you wearing your tinfoil hat? :lulz: My correction may have been overly formal for your tastes, but it is clearer, easier to read and to understand. And the sort of fella Roger was writing to is unlikely to be very smart. Also, the inference you present is false. Being completely grammatically correct may make you come off stiff and formal, or non-native speaker, or goofster - provided the other characteristics of your writing also bear out those suppositions. Otherwise, you could come off as (i) a skilled, possibly professional writer, (ii) an academic (should be subclass of (i), not always is, in my experience), or (iii) bloody genius (if, in addition to being grammatically spotless, you are also creative, interesting and pointful - intentional use of not frequently used word from the non-native speaker! bring out the stake! - in your writing).
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on October 31, 2012, 10:12:19 PM
As for "luck of the straw", after scouring the Internet and lists of English idioms, the best I can up with is that you mistook a fairly poor pun on the phrase "luck of the draw" and the act of drawing straws as a phrase in and of itself.
Ah yes. Because my using it as such (a pun on a well-known idiom, which, thanks to "straw" and "luck" also having a fairly strong semanic connection, is perfectly understandable to anyone with a halfway decent grasp of English) - is out of the question, because I am not a native speaker. That's a kind of stereotype I encounter all the time, and it is pretty damn annoying: if a non-native speaker of English makes what looks like a spelling error, or makes non-standard, quirky, off-beat or even personal use of words, he must be doing it because his English is not good enough. Of course, if a native speaker does it, there's a great deal more generosity on the part of the listener: perhaps he is being creative with his lingo. Why is that? I wonder.
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on October 31, 2012, 10:12:19 PM
It does not, of course, make us believe that you have a superior grasp of the English language when even after following your condescending advice, speaking with several native speakers from various regions and countries, and accessing specialized dialectical lists that you no doubt, as a translator, frequently refer to yourself, there is no supporting evidence for your assertion that you are "right" and the others are "wrong".
I, in good faith, looked carefully and thoroughly through the resources at my disposal and have found that you are either aware of a phrase in English that has long since fallen into disuse, which does not seem likely when considering your previous attempts at communicating your points, or that you yourself have fallen into the very trap you are condemning others for, though they are actually quite competent in communicating in their own language.
I'm in two minds as to whether I should believe that. On balance, my money is on you talking bollocks, but if I am wrong, and you did go to all that trouble, let me give you a piece of advice: I'm not worth it. And kudos from your PD mateys ain't worth it, either. Time could have been better spent.
All I did was google the phrase "luck of the straw". I found that there is (or there used to be) an online game called "Luck of the straw", that other people play an IRL game on "Luck of the Straw Day", and that even the Washington Post had an article about sports with this phrase in the title (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/01/AR2009090102007.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/01/AR2009090102007.html)) - that was enough to decide that the phrase was clearly understandable to English speakers. Which was also demonstrated by the response here: nobody asked what I was on about, but rather, I got corrected to the totally idiomatic "luck of the draw" - which I consider synonymous. Freeky saw yet another opportunity to rub up against Roger's leg, and took it. Had I not been the hated aspie already, had you not known I was not a native speaker, most of you would not have blinked, and someone may have commented (possibly even complimented, for some external reason) on the strange turn of phrase.
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on October 31, 2012, 10:12:19 PM
If you provide a credible source for this phrase, or admit that you are mistaken, then I will consider continuing to address you as if you are my peer.
Well I don't give a shit as to whether you consider the above sources credible. If I came across as claiming that "luck of the straw" was idiomatic to anywhere near the same extent as "luck of the draw" is, that was not my intention. If the question is whether "luck of the straw" exists as a phrase and, in particular, whether it is completely clearly understandable, I stand by those. As for speaking to me as if I were your peer, you stopped doing that a long time ago, have you not noticed?
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on October 31, 2012, 10:12:19 PM
Otherwise, I'm afraid, even I, the model of restraint and civility, shall be forced, through no fault of my own, to shun most rigorously any attempt at communication between our two respective parties.
I would be fuckin' shattered, for real. :lulz:
Early tomorrow morning, I'm off for a 105 click bike-ride across the wilderness. Wednesday, I'll look at the fallout.
Quote from: holist on November 05, 2012, 07:16:54 PM
Early tomorrow morning, I'm off for a 105 click bike-ride across the wilderness.
No wonder you keep getting divorced. Just saying.
Quote from: holist on November 05, 2012, 07:15:35 PM
Well I don't give a shit as to whether you consider the above sources credible. If I came across as claiming that "luck of the straw" was idiomatic to anywhere near the same extent as "luck of the draw" is, that was not my intention. If the question is whether "luck of the straw" exists as a phrase and, in particular, whether it is completely clearly understandable, I stand by those. As for speaking to me as if I were your peer, you stopped doing that a long time ago, have you not noticed?
Regardless, instead of saying, "No, I didn't mean "luck of the draw", I meant it as a sort of pun, in reference to [insert your choice of whatever you wanted to reference here]" You said "...just google it." You also said that, no native speaker commands the entire lexicon, you seemed to be claiming that you did. However, there seems to be a problem with ALL of your sources. Every instance seems to be a pun. The Washington Post article, is referencing the voting in the "straw poll". The "Luck of the Straw Day" seems to be a localized event akin to a Bingo Night, in which people draw straws to win prizes, the onlyreference that I can find to it is in a possibly fictional short story. The internet game you reference, seems to involve blowing bubbles in a drink through a straw. This means that my thought that you misinterpreted a pun as a turn of phrase is apparently accurate.
The problem with making that pun is that there is no context for it. Even if a native speaker made that very pun the way you did, they would no doubt have received the same treatment.
I find it quite disheartening that you seem to think that everyone is out to get you, regardless of consequence. That is simply not the case. Your problem is that you seem to not realize that you have seemingly intentionally rubbed people the wrong way. Most of us would love to see you turn it around and becoming an actual contributing member. But if you continue to dig in your heels and screech at people when you are confronted with a mistake, then no one is going to have a positive reaction.
Holist, your corrections weren't critique. They were essentially running the piece through a spell-check. Maybe you haven't gotten the hang of nuance in this language, but you must know it exists. I wonder if every 20th-century English language novel you've read has margins full of your notes on the grammatical errors the authors made?
Also you seriously need to drop this 'luck of the straw' point. It's not an idiom just because someone has said it at some point. You made a mistake, it's okay.
Quote from: chimes on November 05, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
Holist, your corrections weren't critique. They were essentially running the piece through a spell-check. Maybe you haven't gotten the hang of nuance in this language, but you must know it exists. I wonder if every 20th-century English language novel you've read has margins full of your notes on the grammatical errors the authors made?
Also you seriously need to drop this 'luck of the straw' point. It's not an idiom just because someone has said it at some point. You made a mistake, it's okay.
You don't UNDERSTAND, Chimes. He can't make a mistake. If he admits to making a mistake, his genitals will implode.
I think Holist is a real-life incarnation of the woman from the State Farm ad who believes that you can't put anything on the internet if it isn't true.
He's still defending "luck of the straw"?
:spittake:
Every time I come back here he's made an even BIGGER idiot of himself. :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: holist on November 05, 2012, 06:25:45 PM
Then there was the epistle to the Hungarian. I'll do that one bit by bit:
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Holist:
You know, after reading this silliness for some time now, I'd say that the real core "issue" is simply that you're no FUN. The whole thing is about FUN and you're neither generating nor really having any, it seems, unless you're creaming your jeans because you are a masochist.
Actually, I am having tremendous amounts of fun. Most of it not here, but some of it here. And I think the reason you are still talking to me, instead of keeping your promises and not bothering, is the nagging suspicion that I may be right when I say this: I have a great deal more fun than you do, which is why I have very clearly less time for this mediocre board largely populated by full-time or at least part-time clueless egoists than you do.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Like former members Number 6 and Dead Kennedy, you play one note VERY LOUDLY and then play it some more, as if persisting in playing it will make it more palateable, generate any tangible status for you or yield you any friends, digital or in-person. What do you expect from such behavior? Not that I personally give a shit, but I am idly curious.
You are being so daft it's really funny. (That's one thing I gain.) Homeopathy. Origin of music. Origin of consciousness. My music. My art. My recent brush with death. One note, ha? Like fuck it is one note. The thing is, you need stupid in order to feel clever, and the moment you think you've heard that sweet tone, you stop listening to anything else. I know you've seen all of it, but you chose not to respond. Because it was threatening your precious dose of stupid.
Mostly though, I'm not playing to win, I'm playing to play. I have plenty of friends already, real and digital. As for the last sentence of that bit ('Not that I personally give a shit, but I am idly curious") - why don't you enter that one in a blatant lie competition?
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
The Church is a large and quirky group, but the overwhelming aspect of it is and has BEEN that it's fun. Even some of the notorious cranks of old showed variety and weaved their own amusing threads into the happysock that we call PD. Why, ECH himself is a shelled crab with an IQ of 400 and a DQ (Disgust Quotient) of EIGHT hundred and even a notorious pervert such as he is a valued - if more often dead than alive - member of this board.
Actually, looking at the traffic, it's not that large. The usual ten percent (who generate most of the content) is not much more than 20 people. There are more occasional speakers, for sure, and definitely there is a largely silent corps. The half-hearted joke about ECH is lame.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
You, however, have had precisely nothing to say.
I had and still have a great deal to say. I have, however, repeatedly sinned against the dogma (there is always dogma), so whatever I say (freaky accident, pictures I'm told are pretty good, music I know is pretty good, especially in comparison to some of the dross that gets praised here, and that's not even a complete list) is per definitionem uninteresing. Which is a pity, but not much of a pity. I initially overestimated it. It's a pity like stepping in dogshit is a pity.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Where were you about 10 years ago when we started this abomination?
10 years ago? I was a year after moving house in order to be near the single decent school I could find that I could also afford in this godforsaken country, getting the new house organised, building a fence (there wasn't one), building furniture, looking after four little boys (they are much bigger by now), getting stoned far too much, earning money translating, hence working from home and being with my family all the time, which has many ups and a few downs, also 4 years into starting and running a virtual community for likeminded people who value freedom, autonomy and freak over comfort, lack of responsibility and keeping up with the Joneses. It was a closed e-mail list with a slowly fluctuating membership of 20-25 families (all of whom, however, were active, serious contributors), a web presence requesting a detailed introduction and statement of intent in return for being considered for membership. This thing became an IRL community with big meet-ups twice or three-times a year. Then some of the senior members (including me) divorced acrimoniously, and the list couldn't take the strain, dropped dead. Though after a break of 6 years or so, I am thinking of trying to kick-start it again. Unfortunately, no-one told me that PD was happening. Had I heard about it, I would have dropped in. May even have liked you better, you were probably less bitter.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Where were you in 2006, when the fun really started?
In 2006? Still the same place, doing much the same thing, getting ready for the divorce a year later, the most godawful time of my life. I was a bit of a sloth then. I am no longer. I wonder if I would have found the thing you say started then fun.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Never mind that, really...There are plenty of members here that joined very recently and manage to contribute. So where are the podcasts of your rants?
I have six kids living in my house. I think I said so, straight away. Can you fucken imagine what that is like? The oldest is 17, turning into a bit of a pothead and as yet unable to make up his mind about what to do with his life. There's a 15-year-old introverted genius, I am in the process of organising on-line Blender sessions for him, cause he's talented that way and he's outgrown minecraft (in which he's built large proto-turing-machines) or stick-figure animation (though his stuff is funny). And the list goes on... the youngest is 2 and 3 months (her image even made your resolve waver, for a bit). On Mondays and Wednesdays, when her mum is at her part-time job being a child psychologist who does dynamic sensory integration therapy (basically, teaching children who have been denied it by incompetent parents the joys of physical play), I'm with her all day. I was today. I tend to do the cooking for this family, and most of the shopping (she does washing and clearing up, mostly). I need to be on top of a car insurance claim involving a foreign car causing the accident, keep 7 bicycles in decent enough nick as they are our only means of machine-assisted locomotion now.
And despite all of that, in the last two months I have started non-verbal analytically oriented art therapy, which is working great, tripped twice (breaking my usual rule of usually once a year, the theurapy maade me dooit!), fantastic on both occasions, got me a decent oldish camera and started taking and editing many pictures (but no response to the first one, which I also posted here), joined a band which previously consisted of three madly talented 11-year-old boys, as bass-player and producer (first videos will be posted shortly), am about to join an improvisational theatre company as a musician, and I am taking up boxing, because it's weird that despite being a pretty outspoken and critical person, I have somehow never been in physical conflict for real.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Do you engage in recognizable group conversations with any of us?
I did try to, but you and Nigel keep fucking preventing it by inserting many moronically boring, insulting comments in there that speak volumes about your cluelessness while they disrupt the thread. Last time was the "not everyone is beautiful" subject. There, again, you completely missed the point and decided to get your fix of imaginary stupid. By now, I've sort of given up, though there is that thread by the Ayotollah... I am considering my next response.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Have you done anything but get into some downward-spiralling pissing contest that you'll philosophically (and in practical terms) lose, even if you "win?"
Yes, I have. I doubt that you are capable of actually going back and checking and noticing it, though.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
What can you possibly do with such a "victory", Anyway?
Fucked if I know, never wanted one, either. What do you do with them?
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
If you don't want to have some laughs or be welcome at the party, why are you even bothering?
I did want to have some laughs. And I did want to be welcome at the party. But not at the cost of conforming to shit I don't feel comfy with, or shutting up when I feel like speaking. This has not been possible. Largely on account of your good self and a few others, whom you don't need to control with mind-lazors, as they are perfectly capable of finding their own father-figure with just a few clues of the right sort.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Seriously, Holist, you're an asshole.
Seriously, Roger, you are an asshole. A pitiful little rooster ever so proud and frightfully jealous of his pitiful little dunghill that he pitifully imagines to be a royal castle of weird.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
You DON'T have fun, because you don't even know what fun IS.
You poor deluded shitebag. You know what? I forgive you. You know not what you are on about. :lulz:
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
And this garbage here, this non-stop abortion that has formed around you on PD...
I don't know if you've noticed, but it's not actually non-stop. I take long breaks out, because I have a life. You, of course, are here practically every one of your wretched evenings...
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
That's the rest of your life, on display right in front of your eyes. I am sure your abject failure to have fun in England is just like your failure to get along here...
You are so sure so often. It's a sign of being delusional, you know. I got depressed in England, true, but I still had fun (played a gig for 2000 people and four smaller gigs for up to a hundred, with 3 different bands, for instance, and met some pretty good British, Central-American and Hungarian musicians in the process). As to why I got depressed, I have now come to the conclusion that it was essentially 4 things: 1, it took a manic burst to move such a huge family to England, and in that manic burst, I underestimated the difficulty of the job waiting for me there. Once I got there, and realised that I would not be all good and settled with new friends in 6 months, as even with the best of luck that would take more like 2 or 3 years, it was hard to take. 2: I started getting state benefits. I had thought I'd have no problems with that, but in the event it turned out that I felt like a hypocrit: how can you maintain being an anti-state, anti-machine anomalous maverick if half your income comes from social benefits? So there was that, and we couldn't have stayed alive otherwise, 3: two of the kids really hated it, my youngest son decided to come home to mummy in April, and another, though she stayed until the end of the school year, refused to even consider not moving back to Hungary; 4: I had to realise that the interwebs between the two places are not mature enough to allow me to keep in touch with my friends the way I had thought I could. All of those things first got me very depressed (before I figured them out), then got me moving back to here.
Your supposition is unfair, unfounded, and tells me only one thing: you are an excessively self-assured douchebag.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Someone else's fault, right?
Which one, you equivocating shit-for-brains? The failure to move to England was up to me. I don't consider it a fault because it put Hungary in perspective for me: I like it much better than I did before, and this is likely to last until I figure out a better place to go (if things really get bad here). Misjudged my jump, fell on my face, got up, nothing broken, try again. For a better example of an "abject failure", take a look at your own life.
Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 31, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
It sure as hell isn't YOUR inability to communicate on even a basic level, is it? Of course it's not. Keep telling yourself that, as you bounce from one abject failure to another. That will make everything better.
Curses are like boomerangs, nobody told you that? There you go. I'll let you have that one for free.
Holist raises the bar for tl;dr ITT.
Teal Deer? In this thread? NEVER!
I'm (admittedly) a bit naive/optimistic so I thought for a while that Holist was maybe, just maybe, trolling us. (After all, how could someone seriously try to defend "luck of the straw?") And then he threw the wall of butthurt at us. :lulz:
Quote from: CAKE on October 30, 2012, 06:47:10 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 30, 2012, 06:43:34 AM
Im a little confused as to what qualifies someone who admits that they dont speak english very well to assess the ability of a native english speaker to communicate properly in english? Unless holist somehow thinks that american english is inferior as a dialect?
Nothing. And even if he thinks American English is an inferior dialect, that has no bearing on the ability of American English speakers to communicate with other American English speakers. He is just intent on making himself look ever more like an ass.
I suspect that Holist either has a huge crush on me and is just trying to please me, or else he's a bot.
Kind of leaning toward bot, but really could still go either way.
Or a window-licking ringtailed idiot.
Very reminiscient of He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.
Not that I've read either of their treatises - they just have similar looking blocks of text that I scroll past.
WARNING! THIS THREAD WILL BE MIRED IN CARTESIAN DUALISM IN 5...4...3...2...1!
You rang?
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Quote from: Cain on November 07, 2012, 09:57:22 PM
You rang?
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He didn't age well, did he?
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Quote from: Cain on November 07, 2012, 09:57:22 PM
You rang?
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Quote from: chimes on November 03, 2012, 06:18:53 AM
Holist should do some reading (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,33623.0.html) (see listener guideline #4).
I'd love to, but could you recommend something less frightfully tedious and boring, please?
Quote from: Mitt Romney's Favorite Wife on November 05, 2012, 02:05:39 PM
Won't help. Holist is now here to show us what for, because we don't believe in homeopathy.
Well done, I am indeed here to do that. :lulz:
You got the reason wrong, but don't fret, it's
an inherent feature of the experimental design.
Quote from: Mitt Romney's Favorite Wife on November 05, 2012, 05:04:59 PM
:tldr:
And... tell me... have you got your fingers in your ears (I mean eyes... whatever), an'all?
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on November 05, 2012, 05:23:37 PM
Holist, I have no dog in this fight and am, in fact, completely supportive of your efforts to turn yourself into a biped, but please realize how completely ridiculous you sound right now. It's OK to just admit to being wrong. It doesn't hurt and it might even garner you a modicum of respect.
I admit that "luck of the straw" is not an English idiom.
But I also maintain that I didn't claim it was. Not even when I instructed someone to google it. I did claim, and do claim, that it is a phrase that is completely understandable to competent native and non-native speakers, and that jumping on it was just a means of scoring tribal loyalty points.
Quote from: holist on November 09, 2012, 10:00:34 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on November 05, 2012, 05:23:37 PM
Holist, I have no dog in this fight and am, in fact, completely supportive of your efforts to turn yourself into a biped, but please realize how completely ridiculous you sound right now. It's OK to just admit to being wrong. It doesn't hurt and it might even garner you a modicum of respect.
I admit that "luck of the straw" is not an English idiom.
But I also maintain that I didn't claim it was. Not even when I instructed someone to google it. I did claim, and do claim, that it is a phrase that is completely understandable to competent native and non-native speakers, and that jumping on it was just a means of scoring tribal loyalty points.
Oh, we all understood what you
meant to say. It was just hilarious, within the context of your claim to speak English better than Native speakers.
And you just can't stop racking up the self-ownage points. :lulz: The scrambling to cover your ass is hilarious, please keep it up!
Diminishing returns ITT.
Quote from: Mitt Romney's Favorite Wife on November 05, 2012, 07:17:43 PM
No wonder you keep getting divorced. Just saying.
not even going to say anything
you objected to being "psychoanalysed" :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
larf oot loud
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 05, 2012, 06:44:00 PM
:lulz: Your attempted psycho-analysis of Roger was hilarious. Honest-to-god hilarious. I'm glad I wasn't actually in class when I read it.
Also, you are indeed one note. It's ALL OF THE BUTTHURT! You are the song of Roger's people. That is it. Whenever you start to play something else (and you do, like your stupid homeopathy nonsense) you immediate devolve into a monophone once confronted.
Glad to have given you a laugh. You should read up on what psychoanalysis means, what I said about GTRR was just common sense.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 05, 2012, 06:44:00 PM
Also, also, this board has a lot of native English speakers. Surely, if you weren't full of shit, one of us would have heard of your stupid idiom. No one has, not the North Americans nor the Eurospags nor the Upsidedown People. So, uh, I'm pretty sure that's a sign you're full of horse shit.
I am indeed full of horseshit. It is coming out my ears and my eyes in smallish chunks. Not pleasant. Ah, and my penis. However: the point is, and has been (shout packpedalling for all I care) that what I said was perfectly intelligible. It could be seen as a pun (poor or otherwise, I personally find it impossible to articulate why I find some puns wickedly and deeply funny, while others are boring) on an existing, well-known phrase, or it could be seen is a linguistic error made by a non-native speaker of English. Now I don't dispute that I probably make more of the errors usually made by non-native speakers (why should I dispute that? It makes sense.) But I don't make more mistakes, in general, than fairly competent native speakers. That's all I'd insist on, if I said otherwise, I was wrong, it was on account of the horseshit that occupies the space where my clever should be.
Quote from: holist on November 09, 2012, 10:43:36 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 05, 2012, 06:44:00 PM
:lulz: Your attempted psycho-analysis of Roger was hilarious. Honest-to-god hilarious. I'm glad I wasn't actually in class when I read it.
Also, you are indeed one note. It's ALL OF THE BUTTHURT! You are the song of Roger's people. That is it. Whenever you start to play something else (and you do, like your stupid homeopathy nonsense) you immediate devolve into a monophone once confronted.
Glad to have given you a laugh. You should read up on what psychoanalysis means, what I said about GTRR was just common sense.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 05, 2012, 06:44:00 PM
Also, also, this board has a lot of native English speakers. Surely, if you weren't full of shit, one of us would have heard of your stupid idiom. No one has, not the North Americans nor the Eurospags nor the Upsidedown People. So, uh, I'm pretty sure that's a sign you're full of horse shit.
I am indeed full of horseshit. It is coming out my ears and my eyes in smallish chunks. Not pleasant. Ah, and my penis. However: the point is, and has been (shout packpedalling for all I care) that what I said was perfectly intelligible. It could be seen as a pun (poor or otherwise, I personally find it impossible to articulate why I find some puns wickedly and deeply funny, while others are boring) on an existing, well-known phrase, or it could be seen is a linguistic error made by a non-native speaker of English. Now I don't dispute that I probably make more of the errors usually made by non-native speakers (why should I dispute that? It makes sense.) But I don't make more mistakes, in general, than fairly competent native speakers. That's all I'd insist on, if I said otherwise, I was wrong, it was on account of the horseshit that occupies the space where my clever should be.
Actually, I do believe that you made your cute little Engrish mistake while you were in the middle of insisting that your English is better than that of a native English speaker, which is what made it SO DAMN FUNNY. :lol:
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on November 05, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
Regardless, instead of saying, "No, I didn't mean "luck of the draw", I meant it as a sort of pun, in reference to [insert your choice of whatever you wanted to reference here]" You said "...just google it."
Perhaps you missed this, but I was experiencing (am still experiencing, actually) what I, poor misguided Eastern European bear what went to school with a picture of fucking Lenin recognised as Unreasonable Hostility
TM, which made me react in a less than hospitable way. There is an old Hungarian saying that goes: The way 'hello' is, the way 'welcome' is. So kill me.
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on November 05, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
You also said that, no native speaker commands the entire lexicon, you seemed to be claiming that you did.
Actually, I don't think that I was. But if I were, it was because of the horseshit, which is causing me issues with my nipples, and I apologize profusely.
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on November 05, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
However, there seems to be a problem with ALL of your sources. Every instance seems to be a pun. The Washington Post article, is referencing the voting in the "straw poll". The "Luck of the Straw Day" seems to be a localized event akin to a Bingo Night, in which people draw straws to win prizes, the onlyreference that I can find to it is in a possibly fictional short story. The internet game you reference, seems to involve blowing bubbles in a drink through a straw. This means that my thought that you misinterpreted a pun as a turn of phrase is apparently accurate.
Yep. You got me there hands down, guv. I did a quick, cursory search of the phrase, saw some reputable sites use it and decided if it was good enough for them it was good enough for me. So sorry, I made a mistake there. As I have written elsewhere, in my half-hearted estimate of where the phrase "luck of the straw" resided on the scale between the firm favourite "luck of the draw"' and nonsensities such as "duck of the crow", "muck of the plough" or even "Chuck offa blow", I made a terrible mistake, which makes me an aspie or something. I forget.
Then what?
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on November 05, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
The problem with making that pun is that there is no context for it. Even if a native speaker made that very pun the way you did, they would no doubt have received the same treatment.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on November 05, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
I find it quite disheartening that you seem to think that everyone is out to get you, regardless of consequence. That is simply not the case. Your problem is that you seem to not realize that you have seemingly intentionally rubbed people the wrong way. Most of us would love to see you turn it around and becoming an actual contributing member. But if you continue to dig in your heels and screech at people when you are confronted with a mistake, then no one is going to have a positive reaction.
Thank you for that piece of unsolicited advice, unlike most of its kind, it is actually rather thoughtful. But I disagree with your view of what is actually going on here.
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Quote from: holist on November 09, 2012, 10:55:49 PM
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on November 05, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
Regardless, instead of saying, "No, I didn't mean "luck of the draw", I meant it as a sort of pun, in reference to [insert your choice of whatever you wanted to reference here]" You said "...just google it."
Perhaps you missed this, but I was experiencing (am still experiencing, actually) what I, poor misguided Eastern European bear what went to school with a picture of fucking Lenin recognised as Unreasonable HostilityTM, which made me react in a less than hospitable way. There is an old Hungarian saying that goes: The way 'hello' is, the way 'welcome' is. So kill me.
LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO! \
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:lol:
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 09, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
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:lulz:
Quote from: chimes on November 05, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
Holist, your corrections weren't critique. They were essentially running the piece through a spell-check.
I did, as a friendly gesture, correct a few typos. This, I felt, was appropriate, because I was under the impression that impeccable grammar would be a good thing to have in this letter, the better to annoy the poor benighted recipient with. I also pointed out a sentence that in my opinion was poorly constructed, and offered a better-constructed version.
Quote from: chimes on November 05, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
Maybe you haven't gotten the hang of nuance in this language, but you must know it exists.
Maybe you are also full of shit. :lulz:
Quote from: chimes on November 05, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
I wonder if every 20th-century English language novel you've read has margins full of your notes on the grammatical errors the authors made?
Yeah, Joyce, especially, I ended up having to buy another copy.
Quote from: chimes on November 05, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
Also you seriously need to drop this 'luck of the straw' point.
I think I have.
Quote from: chimes on November 05, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
It's not an idiom just because someone has said it at some point. You made a mistake, it's okay.
I used some words in a clearly understandable, unproblematic, non-ambiguous manner. Well I beg your pardon, my mother is the whore.
Quote from: Luna on November 05, 2012, 10:37:40 PM
You don't UNDERSTAND, Chimes. He can't make a mistake. If he admits to making a mistake, his genitals will implode.
Yes. This is in fact a scientific fact what I know from empirical observation. They already have, several times.
Quote from: That Wretched Dog Aucoq on November 06, 2012, 06:20:08 AM
I'm (admittedly) a bit naive/optimistic so I thought for a while that Holist was maybe, just maybe, trolling us. (After all, how could someone seriously try to defend "luck of the straw?") And then he threw the wall of butthurt at us. :lulz:
As Churchill said: "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
Quote from: Cain on November 07, 2012, 09:57:22 PM
You rang?
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By Gad he was a beautiful boy.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 09, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
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What is your problem with being embarassed for me? And if you can't make it go away, why don't you go away yourself?
Quote from: holist on November 09, 2012, 10:55:49 PM
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on November 05, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
Regardless, instead of saying, "No, I didn't mean "luck of the draw", I meant it as a sort of pun, in reference to [insert your choice of whatever you wanted to reference here]" You said "...just google it."
Perhaps you missed this, but I was experiencing (am still experiencing, actually) what I, poor misguided Eastern European bear what went to school with a picture of fucking Lenin recognised as Unreasonable HostilityTM, which made me react in a less than hospitable way. There is an old Hungarian saying that goes: The way 'hello' is, the way 'welcome' is. So kill me.
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on November 05, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
You also said that, no native speaker commands the entire lexicon, you seemed to be claiming that you did.
Actually, I don't think that I was. But if I were, it was because of the horseshit, which is causing me issues with my nipples, and I apologize profusely.
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on November 05, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
However, there seems to be a problem with ALL of your sources. Every instance seems to be a pun. The Washington Post article, is referencing the voting in the "straw poll". The "Luck of the Straw Day" seems to be a localized event akin to a Bingo Night, in which people draw straws to win prizes, the onlyreference that I can find to it is in a possibly fictional short story. The internet game you reference, seems to involve blowing bubbles in a drink through a straw. This means that my thought that you misinterpreted a pun as a turn of phrase is apparently accurate.
Yep. You got me there hands down, guv. I did a quick, cursory search of the phrase, saw some reputable sites use it and decided if it was good enough for them it was good enough for me. So sorry, I made a mistake there. As I have written elsewhere, in my half-hearted estimate of where the phrase "luck of the straw" resided on the scale between the firm favourite "luck of the draw"' and nonsensities such as "duck of the crow", "muck of the plough" or even "Chuck offa blow", I made a terrible mistake, which makes me an aspie or something. I forget.
Then what?
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on November 05, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
The problem with making that pun is that there is no context for it. Even if a native speaker made that very pun the way you did, they would no doubt have received the same treatment.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on November 05, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
I find it quite disheartening that you seem to think that everyone is out to get you, regardless of consequence. That is simply not the case. Your problem is that you seem to not realize that you have seemingly intentionally rubbed people the wrong way. Most of us would love to see you turn it around and becoming an actual contributing member. But if you continue to dig in your heels and screech at people when you are confronted with a mistake, then no one is going to have a positive reaction.
Thank you for that piece of unsolicited advice, unlike most of its kind, it is actually rather thoughtful. But I disagree with your view of what is actually going on here.
Now, where did anyone at all make the claim that what you said was nonsensical and unintelligible? Nowhere. Sure, you received a light ribbing for screwing up a turn of phrase, but that's primarily because you are STILL insisting that you are somehow absolved of error, even after admitting that YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ the sources that you cited as point of fact in your defense of a non-phrase. Or did you read them and so poorly understand them that you didn't read them?
And in regards to you correcting Roger as a "friendly gesture", how is correcting your use of an idiom any different? The only reason you got so mocked in the first place is bcause you demonstrate more and more that you either don't understand the intent that he/we have, and you consistently misread it, or that, as others have suggested, you truly DON'T understand the nuances of English, let alone American English.
Let me give you a hint: Being overly formal in American English tends to get you dismissed out of hand. It is condescending, stilted, and frequently the product of SGitR or Dunning-Krueger mixed with a bit of over-education and too little intellect to use it. IF your goal is to merely sound like a jackass know-it-all, then by all means, obsess about grammar to perfection. If, however, you intend to actually communicate a point of some kind, as the letter in question surely did, then addressing the recipient as an intellectual equal, and in a manner befitting formal, but not overly so, communication.
Now, to address everything else you've said: You are most certainly a skitter. You demonstrate this every single time you post something. Let me elucidate the situation for you: 1. Your English is very good. It is not even close to the best I've heard from an ESL student. Drop the pretension. 2. There is no such thing as "tribal points" here. If you believe that, you are an insult to rocks (google it). 3. You have, more or less, worked your way through everyone's good graces at this point. 4. I bore you no ill will, and in fact, I still don't. You are, however, quickly becoming my next Disco Pickle. 5. Your apparent hard-on for Roger and Nigel, and your lack of actually addressing criticisms leveled against you 80% of the time, or writing them off as "tribalism" or as anything other than valid criticism from an outside observer, is no way to actually improve your reputation, nor your apparent lack of communication skills (Don't take that as saying you have none, I should hope you do possess more than you display, but you have, so far, failed to demonstrate all but the most rudimentary command of language and reading comprehension in any of your posts, and certainly no understanding at all of the people to whom you are speaking). 6. You really DO have an opportunity for all this to be forgotten, but given your track record for holding onto the past and er... doing exactly what you have in this thread, i doubt many of us still hold out such a hope.
tl;dr
Stand on your hind legs or fuck off.
Quote from: holist on November 09, 2012, 10:55:49 PM
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on November 05, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
Regardless, instead of saying, "No, I didn't mean "luck of the draw", I meant it as a sort of pun, in reference to [insert your choice of whatever you wanted to reference here]" You said "...just google it."
Perhaps you missed this, but I was experiencing (am still experiencing, actually) what I, poor misguided Eastern European bear what went to school with a picture of fucking Lenin recognised as Unreasonable HostilityTM, which made me react in a less than hospitable way. There is an old Hungarian saying that goes: The way 'hello' is, the way 'welcome' is. So kill me.
As a AmeriHungarian, AND A MOTHER, I find that saying stupid. We AmeriHungarians have a much better saying:
:stfu1:
BTW, everyone: Holist's posts make much more sense when you have this picture in your head.
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Holist: Please change your avatar to that picture.
Quote from: Alty on November 10, 2012, 06:12:25 AM
BTW, everyone: Holist's posts make much more sense when you have this picture in your head.
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Holist: Please change your avatar to that picture.
NO!
IS SRS PLR BR
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Holist is just trolling at this point. He's trolling with a pound of butthurt, but still trolling.
FTFY. You're welcome.
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Quote from: Some SmartassYou are trying to get the last word in with an aspie.
Quote from: Mitt Romney's Favorite Wife on November 11, 2012, 06:04:10 PM
Quote from: Some SmartassYou are trying to get the last word in with an aspie.
We can't help ourselves, TGRMRFW. The sticks are so close by, and they fit so comfortably in our hands. :lulz:
I just like googly eyes.
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on November 11, 2012, 06:45:29 AM
FTFY. You're welcome.
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:lol: This pic just made my day :lol:
Quote from: holist on November 10, 2012, 03:25:32 AM
Quote from: chimes on November 05, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
Holist, your corrections weren't critique. They were essentially running the piece through a spell-check.
I did, as a friendly gesture, correct a few typos. This, I felt, was appropriate, because I was under the impression that impeccable grammar would be a good thing to have in this letter, the better to annoy the poor benighted recipient with. I also pointed out a sentence that in my opinion was poorly constructed, and offered a better-constructed version.
Quote from: chimes on November 05, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
Maybe you haven't gotten the hang of nuance in this language, but you must know it exists.
Maybe you are also full of shit. :lulz:
Quote from: chimes on November 05, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
I wonder if every 20th-century English language novel you've read has margins full of your notes on the grammatical errors the authors made?
Yeah, Joyce, especially, I ended up having to buy another copy.
I don't get it. You think impeccable grammar would have improved his message, but you think I'm full of shit for suggesting that you don't have the hang of English nuance? Now I don't know whether that thing about Joyce is a joke or not.
Mo memorized the dictionary
But just can't seem to find a job
Or anyone who wants to marry
Someone who memorized the dictionary.
- Shel Silverstein
Quote from: chimes on November 15, 2012, 04:02:33 AM
Mo memorized the dictionary
But just can't seem to find a job
Or anyone who wants to marry
Someone who memorized the dictionary.
- Shel Silverstein
:lulz: I love Shel Silverstein.
Quote from: holist on November 10, 2012, 03:25:32 AM
Quote from: chimes on November 05, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
Holist, your corrections weren't critique. They were essentially running the piece through a spell-check.
I did, as a friendly gesture, correct a few typos. This, I felt, was appropriate, because I was under the impression that impeccable grammar would be a good thing to have in this letter, the better to annoy the poor benighted recipient with. I also pointed out a sentence that in my opinion was poorly constructed, and offered a better-constructed version.
Quote from: chimes on November 05, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
Maybe you haven't gotten the hang of nuance in this language, but you must know it exists.
Maybe you are also full of shit. :lulz:
Quote from: chimes on November 05, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
I wonder if every 20th-century English language novel you've read has margins full of your notes on the grammatical errors the authors made?
Yeah, Joyce, especially, I ended up having to buy another copy.
Quote from: chimes on November 05, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
Also you seriously need to drop this 'luck of the straw' point.
I think I have.
Quote from: chimes on November 05, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
It's not an idiom just because someone has said it at some point. You made a mistake, it's okay.
I used some words in a clearly understandable, unproblematic, non-ambiguous manner. Well I beg your pardon, my mother is the whore.
It's like having a conversation with that Balkie guy from the 80's sitcom.
If Balkie did a fuckload of meth.
And had a brain tumor.
With a big dildo stuck in it.
Quote from: chimes on November 14, 2012, 04:07:45 AM
I don't get it. You think impeccable grammar would have improved his message, but you think I'm full of shit for suggesting that you don't have the hang of English nuance? Now I don't know whether that thing about Joyce is a joke or not.
Well not knowing is sometimes superior to knowing. It was a joke. My pleasure.
The smart thing would be to let this drop. Just sayin'.
His track record suggests that this is extremely unlikely. :lulz:
Quote from: Mangrove on November 12, 2012, 03:32:53 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on November 11, 2012, 06:45:29 AM
FTFY. You're welcome.
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5134/5gdkd.jpg)
:lol: This pic just made my day :lol:
I'm still laughing at this damn pic
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on November 19, 2012, 08:21:19 PM
His track record suggests that this is extremely unlikely. :lulz:
I think he likes the attention, which is why he won't interact normally in any of the other threads. He only interacts if he can make it about him.
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 20, 2012, 05:29:56 PM
I think he likes the attention, which is why he won't interact normally in any of the other threads. He only interacts if he can make it about him.
Not at all. Most of the other threads I just do not find interesting. In the few that I do find interesting enough to comment on, I either get ignored or mobbed. Being ignored is a hard way to join a conversation, being mobbed also gets boring fast. Hence my admittedly sporadic and disjointed presence in these here boards.
Quote from: holist on November 20, 2012, 05:49:29 PM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 20, 2012, 05:29:56 PM
I think he likes the attention, which is why he won't interact normally in any of the other threads. He only interacts if he can make it about him.
Not at all. Most of the other threads I just do not find interesting. In the few that I do find interesting enough to comment on, I either get ignored or mobbed. Being ignored is a hard way to join a conversation, being mobbed also gets boring fast. Hence my admittedly sporadic and disjointed presence in these here boards.
Maybe stop saying stupid shit and then getting defensive when you get mobbed. Not getting defensive makes life here much easier.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 20, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
Maybe stop saying stupid shit and then getting defensive when you get mobbed. Not getting defensive makes life here much easier.
I shall treasure that advice as rong as I rive, captn Tirvial!
:lulz:
Quote from: holist on November 20, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 20, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
Maybe stop saying stupid shit and then getting defensive when you get mobbed. Not getting defensive makes life here much easier.
I shall treasure that advice as rong as I rive, captn Tirvial!
:lulz:
Said like a true master of the English language.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 20, 2012, 07:26:49 PM
Quote from: holist on November 20, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 20, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
Maybe stop saying stupid shit and then getting defensive when you get mobbed. Not getting defensive makes life here much easier.
I shall treasure that advice as rong as I rive, captn Tirvial!
:lulz:
Said like a true master of the English language.
Cheerzes!
Quote from: holist on November 20, 2012, 05:49:29 PM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 20, 2012, 05:29:56 PM
I think he likes the attention, which is why he won't interact normally in any of the other threads. He only interacts if he can make it about him.
Not at all. Most of the other threads I just do not find interesting. In the few that I do find interesting enough to comment on, I either get ignored or mobbed. Being ignored is a hard way to join a conversation, being mobbed also gets boring fast. Hence my admittedly sporadic and disjointed presence in these here boards.
Well, duh, they're not about you. :lol:
Quote from: holist on November 20, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 20, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
Maybe stop saying stupid shit and then getting defensive when you get mobbed. Not getting defensive makes life here much easier.
I shall treasure that advice as rong as I rive, captn Tirvial!
:lulz:
At this point, I'm going to ask Garbo, LMNO, and everyone else a question:
Why the FUCK are you responding to this bitter loser?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2012, 09:51:28 PM
Quote from: holist on November 20, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 20, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
Maybe stop saying stupid shit and then getting defensive when you get mobbed. Not getting defensive makes life here much easier.
I shall treasure that advice as rong as I rive, captn Tirvial!
:lulz:
At this point, I'm going to ask Garbo, LMNO, and everyone else a question:
Why the FUCK are you responding to this bitter loser?
I don't know. Maybe it's because he exudes loneliness. He must have a very sad, lonely life.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2012, 09:51:28 PM
Quote from: holist on November 20, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 20, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
Maybe stop saying stupid shit and then getting defensive when you get mobbed. Not getting defensive makes life here much easier.
I shall treasure that advice as rong as I rive, captn Tirvial!
:lulz:
At this point, I'm going to ask Garbo, LMNO, and everyone else a question:
Why the FUCK are you responding to this bitter loser?
I lack a good answer.
My skull started falling asleep, as in numbness and pins and needles—not rest, when I read this thread.
True story.
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 21, 2012, 01:04:38 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2012, 09:51:28 PM
Quote from: holist on November 20, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 20, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
Maybe stop saying stupid shit and then getting defensive when you get mobbed. Not getting defensive makes life here much easier.
I shall treasure that advice as rong as I rive, captn Tirvial!
:lulz:
At this point, I'm going to ask Garbo, LMNO, and everyone else a question:
Why the FUCK are you responding to this bitter loser?
I don't know. Maybe it's because he exudes loneliness. He must have a very sad, lonely life.
Well, sure. He's a freelance translator, donchaknow, and they have it as bad (or possibly worse) than silly little prostitutes.
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 20, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Quote from: holist on November 20, 2012, 05:49:29 PM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 20, 2012, 05:29:56 PM
I think he likes the attention, which is why he won't interact normally in any of the other threads. He only interacts if he can make it about him.
Not at all. Most of the other threads I just do not find interesting. In the few that I do find interesting enough to comment on, I either get ignored or mobbed. Being ignored is a hard way to join a conversation, being mobbed also gets boring fast. Hence my admittedly sporadic and disjointed presence in these here boards.
Well, duh, they're not about you. :lol:
True, but that's not why I find them uninteresting. Why is it so hard to face up to the fact that somebody finds you largely boring, AND they are not a lonely, bitter loser, an utter failure of a human being? Cognitive dissonance, perhaps? :lulz:
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 21, 2012, 01:04:38 AM
I don't know. Maybe it's because he exudes loneliness. He must have a very sad, lonely life.
Yeah. :lulz:
It ain't easy, what between raising 6 kids, freelancing, playing in a band, keeping in touch with a somewhat massive network of friends and acquaintances, preparing for the creative music workshop I'll be running at our school from January, doing playback theatre in prisons, but I manage it.
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2012, 09:51:28 PM
Quote from: holist on November 20, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 20, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
Maybe stop saying stupid shit and then getting defensive when you get mobbed. Not getting defensive makes life here much easier.
I shall treasure that advice as rong as I rive, captn Tirvial!
:lulz:
At this point, I'm going to ask Garbo, LMNO, and everyone else a question:
Why the FUCK are you responding to this bitter loser?
I had been pledging him, but that was such an easy shot to take. I'm back to ignoring him.
LMNO
:tldr:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 21, 2012, 12:57:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2012, 09:51:28 PM
Quote from: holist on November 20, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 20, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
Maybe stop saying stupid shit and then getting defensive when you get mobbed. Not getting defensive makes life here much easier.
I shall treasure that advice as rong as I rive, captn Tirvial!
:lulz:
At this point, I'm going to ask Garbo, LMNO, and everyone else a question:
Why the FUCK are you responding to this bitter loser?
I had been pledging him, but that was such an easy shot to take. I'm back to ignoring him.
LMNO
:tldr:
:lulz:
LMNO, PhD - the man who suspends pledges to take easy shots.
QED