Looking for purely factual resources which support a center-moderate or scientifically sound left wing view that can be relied on for journalistic integrity and absolutely zero bias or twisted figures? Does this exist? Thanks.
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 21, 2012, 07:32:24 PM
Looking for purely factual resources which support a center-moderate or scientifically sound left wing view that can be relied on for journalistic integrity and absolutely zero bias or twisted figures? Does this exist? Thanks.
View of what? I'd recommend peer-reviewed science journals, but without a topic, I don't know.
And the problem with peer review if youre trying to use the info to convince someone of something is that theyll come back that theyre only saying what theyre saying for grant money. Because science makes you rich and grant money is easy to come by.
Quote from: Man Green on October 21, 2012, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 21, 2012, 07:32:24 PM
Looking for purely factual resources which support a center-moderate or scientifically sound left wing view that can be relied on for journalistic integrity and absolutely zero bias or twisted figures? Does this exist? Thanks.
View of what? I'd recommend peer-reviewed science journals, but without a topic, I don't know.
News sources, mainly. Anything to do with political stuff: economics, social welfare, women's issues...
Probably the best thing you can do is look at the same story from multiple perspectives and come to a conclusion based off that. Or fox news and pretend its opposite day.
The guy who sits next to me at work swears by BBC news.
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 21, 2012, 07:32:24 PM
Looking for purely factual resources which support a center-moderate or scientifically sound left wing view that can be relied on for journalistic integrity and absolutely zero bias or twisted figures? Does this exist? Thanks.
Your own mind and multiple sources.
Quote from: Internet Jesus on October 21, 2012, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 21, 2012, 07:32:24 PM
Looking for purely factual resources which support a center-moderate or scientifically sound left wing view that can be relied on for journalistic integrity and absolutely zero bias or twisted figures? Does this exist? Thanks.
Your own mind and multiple sources.
I've got to third this. And check sources whenever possible, because a lot of the time the actual source says something different from what the media reports, especially if it's science.
Quote from: Emo Howard on October 21, 2012, 08:10:33 PM
The guy who sits next to me at work swears by BBC news.
You might want to point out to that guy the BBC almost certainly helped cover up the predatory pedophilic tendencies of one of their most famous presenters, to the point of shelving a Newsnight investigation into the claims last year.
This presenter was especially well known for a program which gave him access to young children.
Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2012, 12:39:11 AM
Quote from: Emo Howard on October 21, 2012, 08:10:33 PM
The guy who sits next to me at work swears by BBC news.
You might want to point out to that guy the BBC almost certainly helped cover up the predatory pedophilic tendencies of one of their most famous presenters, to the point of shelving a Newsnight investigation into the claims last year.
This presenter was especially well known for a program which gave him access to young children.
Nice. What was his name?
It seems that every news organization has its biases, but most of them have different ones. The more sources you use, the easier it becomes to separate truth from BS. I really miss Newsworld International, which was just news programs from all over the world.
If I recall correctly, it was Al Gore (and friends) that bought that channel and turned it to shit.
If you're looking for a news source with absolutely zero bias, you'll be searching 'til your deathday.
Yeah.
Here's one I was playing around with: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/09/kansas-doctor-under-attack-for-not-forcing-ten-year-old-rape-victim-to-give-birth/
The part that says "It's so bad that state officials have attempted to prosecute a Planned Parenthood clinic for falsifying documents" links to a petition site.
The part of the petition site that says "A judge last week threw out charges that a Kansas City area Planned Parenthood clinic falsified records..." links to the ABC News home page and no article.
There's still the search function but yeah, it could take all night to get one story straight. Fucking useless. :x
Riffing off Twid....you could do fox news in one ear phone and NPR in the other.
OTOH, maybe researching some bloggers might get you closer to what you want. The trouble, as it seems to me, is there's an agenda associated with the news networks. There might be a good chance that you might find a blogger or two with the independent news mentality.
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 22, 2012, 05:57:53 AM
Yeah.
Here's one I was playing around with: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/09/kansas-doctor-under-attack-for-not-forcing-ten-year-old-rape-victim-to-give-birth/
The part that says "It's so bad that state officials have attempted to prosecute a Planned Parenthood clinic for falsifying documents" links to a petition site.
The part of the petition site that says "A judge last week threw out charges that a Kansas City area Planned Parenthood clinic falsified records..." links to the ABC News home page and no article.
There's still the search function but yeah, it could take all night to get one story straight. Fucking useless. :x
Theoretically, HIPPAA
should make cases like this difficult to track, for obvious reasons, so that's a complicated question.
HOWEVER, this is where you google the headline to see where else it showed up, and whether other sources collaborate.
Lots of blogs. This blogger (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/10/1118624/-Well-this-is-disgusting) says the only source she could find was Bill O'Reilly :x and there's a removed youtube video.
Interesting story, though.
Quote from: Emo Howard on October 22, 2012, 04:16:46 AM
Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2012, 12:39:11 AM
Quote from: Emo Howard on October 21, 2012, 08:10:33 PM
The guy who sits next to me at work swears by BBC news.
You might want to point out to that guy the BBC almost certainly helped cover up the predatory pedophilic tendencies of one of their most famous presenters, to the point of shelving a Newsnight investigation into the claims last year.
This presenter was especially well known for a program which gave him access to young children.
Nice. What was his name?
It seems that every news organization has its biases, but most of them have different ones. The more sources you use, the easier it becomes to separate truth from BS. I really miss Newsworld International, which was just news programs from all over the world.
If I recall correctly, it was Al Gore (and friends) that bought that channel and turned it to shit.
Jimmy Saville.
And yes. You have institutional biases which are shared by most news corporations and arise from cost-cutting methods of gathering news data and lack of adequate fact-checking before publishing a story, traits which are readily abused by PR firms and government officials.
And then you have personal or corporate-wide ideological beliefs, which can also influence reporting.
Keep in mind with regards to even peer reviewed material:
http://news.yahoo.com/study-fraud-growing-scientific-research-papers-190641079.html
There is no "one" source. Any person who has extensive, unbiased knowledge in one area tends to feel like they have equal knowledge in other areas. LessWrong has a sequence about that which I can't find right now.
Anyway, a good indicator you have a potentially unbiased source is when they provide the charts, studies, polls, and reports they're using to come to a conclusion. That way, you can look for yourself and see if it makes sense.
Why would you WANT a reliable source of information in the first place?
Information allows planning.
Planning only causes problems later.
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 22, 2012, 05:30:36 PM
Why would you WANT a reliable source of information in the first place?
Information allows planning.
Planning only causes problems later.
Mike, how did you manage to get hold of Roger's account?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 22, 2012, 05:37:40 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 22, 2012, 05:30:36 PM
Why would you WANT a reliable source of information in the first place?
Information allows planning.
Planning only causes problems later.
Mike, how did you manage to get hold of Roger's account?
:lulz:
Actually, that would be more of a Filthy Assistant thing.
"FACTS ARE LIES"
- Wiccan Goddess
Was she one of you guys? I used to get into brawls with her and have this disturbing thought about midway through that she might be Cain or somebody fucking with all of us. :lulz:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 22, 2012, 05:20:24 PM
There is no "one" source. Any person who has extensive, unbiased knowledge in one area tends to feel like they have equal knowledge in other areas. LessWrong has a sequence about that which I can't find right now.
Anyway, a good indicator you have a potentially unbiased source is when they provide the charts, studies, polls, and reports they're using to come to a conclusion. That way, you can look for yourself and see if it makes sense.
This.
I recall being particularly impressed with a story I heard on NPR about poll results. 99% of the air time was spent discussing why this guys findings were reliable, the methodology used, the track record, very careful tip-toeing around anything that could lead to false conclusions. The other 1% was a quick statement about his actual findings.
It smacked of quality.