Define "metal".

[Mangrove]

Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath & Deep Purple all get labelled as being progenitors of 'metal' even though all three bands have resisted this definition.

Some people are of the opinion that 'metal' came into being with Judas Priest. They took all the loud, crunchy stuff from the above acts but essentially expunged all the 'blues' elements. 

[If you liked 'Headbanger's Journey', the same guy also made the series 'Metal Evolution'.]

[Eater of Clowns]

HEADBANGER'S JOURNEY AND METAL EVOLUTION ARE FOR FUCKING DRIPPY DONGHOLES.  THE TRUE METAL FAN READS

LORDS OF CHAOS:  THE BLOODY RISE OF THE SATANIC METAL UNDERGROUND

[AFK]

Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath & Deep Purple all get labelled as being progenitors of 'metal' even though all three bands have resisted this definition.

Some people are of the opinion that 'metal' came into being with Judas Priest. They took all the loud, crunchy stuff from the above acts but essentially expunged all the 'blues' elements. 

[If you liked 'Headbanger's Journey', the same guy also made the series 'Metal Evolution'.]

There's also bands like Blue Cheer and Mountain who had, perhaps a smaller hand, in getting metal going.  And in both of those documentaries you mention, some will draw it all the way back to Wagner, which I think is legitimate.  Wagner would load his compositions with a lot of heavy, low end instrumentation, which is certainly a spirit od heavy metal, and definitely is an influence on some of the symphonic strains.


And that tree left out some other genres, sich as doom metal which is heavily influenced by Sabbath.  And one of my favorites, folk metal, which has combined elements of black metal, death metal, and traditional folk music of the given geographical area.  Also Viking Metal.  Which is kind of like black metal, except instead of singing about Satan they sing about Odin. 

[AFK]

Oh, and I would say it was Priest AND maiden that really got the ball rolling in true metal fashion.  Without Maiden, I think metal would have evolved very differently.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Oh, and I would say it was Priest AND maiden that really got the ball rolling in true metal fashion.  Without Maiden, I think metal would have evolved very differently.

Most definitely. But at the same time you could see them as a natural progression of the 70s. Thin Lizzy comes to mind.

[AFK]

Yep, especially with their first singer.  I think Dickinson's vocal style to go along with the galloping riifs was really that last piece of the puzzle to make it, metal.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Yep, especially with their first singer.  I think Dickinson's vocal style to go along with the galloping riifs was really that last piece of the puzzle to make it, metal.

Ah yes, the high male vocals

[LMNO]

Without snark, I think whoever said that metal was the blues minus the entire SOUL part was on the money.

Metal is very loud non-blues that white people play to other white people. Yes, that sounds racist, but whenever black people have tried to play metal, it just becomes really awesome rock n roll.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Without snark, I think whoever said that metal was the blues minus the entire SOUL part was on the money.

Metal is very loud non-blues that white people play to other white people. Yes, that sounds racist, but whenever black people have tried to play metal, it just becomes really awesome rock n roll.

Not sure if I agree with that entirely.

But anyway, Metal has no soul because you have to make a pact with the devil first.

[LMNO]

Without judging, please name a soulful metal band.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Without judging, please name a soulful metal band.

I was referring to black people turning it into rock, but, let me think.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Avariel jumps to mind. Granted they're my friends, but it seemed pretty soulful to me.

My original point was thought that there are plenty of sonic markers that differentiate that which is definitely metal and that which is definitely rock and roll, that some bands that have a black person(s) in it are incapable of being rock and roll. Protean Collective.


Twid,
Realizing he's been almost entirely local for too long.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

This is also why I only had a limited amount of Metal that I was willing to listen to at work at my disposal.

[AFK]

Without judging, please name a soulful metal band.

King's X immediately comes to mind.

[LMNO]

Hmm. I don't know your references, and I totally said it wrong when I used the word "tried".

I'm thinking of Living Color, Bad Brains, even Kings X -- they just don't sound "metal".

In a way, I guess I consider Metal to be straightforward aggression, and--

Oh.

Oh wait.





DAMN YOU, POSITIVE STEREOTYPES WHICH STILL, AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE, STILL STEREOTYPES!