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Started by Rococo Modem Basilisk, February 08, 2010, 07:33:44 PM

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An Army sergeant who served in Iraq for 15 months has been restricted to his Washington military base after being accused of waterboarding his 4-year-old daughter because she refused to recite her ABCs.
Joshua Ryan Tabor, 27, was arrested on Jan. 31 and charged with assaulting a child after police in Yelm, Wash., responded to a call of a disturbance at Tabor's home and then later found the little girl hiding in a locked bathroom, according to Police Chief Todd Stancil.

"We had a report of [Tabor] walking around his neighborhood holding a Kevlar helmet and threatening to bust out windows," Stancil told ABCNews.com today. "In the process of talking to Tabor's girlfriend about what was going on, we learned that he had also been abusing his daughter."

Stancil said that when the cops coaxed the little girl out of the bathroom they saw that she was covered in "multiple bruises pretty much all over her body."

"She was very open with us," Stancil said of the young girl, whose name is not being released because she is a minor. "She basically came right out and said, 'Daddy does this to me. He uses his hands.'"
Both the girl and the father admitted to the torture, even detailing how Tabor would sit the girl on the edge of the bathroom sink and hold her head down until it was nearly submerged in water, dunking her if she refused to recite the alphabet, said Stancil.

Tabor's girlfriend, who is not identified in the police reports, could also be charged in the crime, said Stancil. Several portions of the police report are redacted and may implicate the girlfriend in the assault.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/joshua-tabor-accused-waterboarding-young-daughter/story?id=9778116

Bonus synchronicity: it's ABC news.


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Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 08, 2010, 07:38:25 PM
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I hope he gets the chair.

He is doing precisely what we have programmed him to do.

We train helicopter repairmen to waterboard people?
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

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Doktor Howl

Quote from: gin on February 08, 2010, 08:03:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 08, 2010, 07:38:25 PM
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I hope he gets the chair.

He is doing precisely what we have programmed him to do.
:cry: :cry: :cry:


1.  Obtain primates.
2.  Put them in a military situation, but do not give them a mission.
3.  Have them wander in circles until someone blows a few of them up.
4.  Tell them that torture is okay, because the enemy is less than human.  The enemy is anyone not in their unit.
5.  Repeat for 15 months.
6.  Send the subjects home with no counseling.

What happened here was inevitable.  It will happen many more times.  I imagine that worse things are happening, but have yet to come to light.
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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Ratatosk on February 08, 2010, 08:05:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 08, 2010, 07:38:25 PM
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I hope he gets the chair.

He is doing precisely what we have programmed him to do.

We train helicopter repairmen to waterboard people?


1.  There is no rear area (risk to non-combat personnel is almost as high as that of combat personnel), and

2.  We tell them it's acceptable.

What he did wasn't actually waterboarding.  If he'd been trained to do it properly, that kid would have been singing her ABCs all the way to the psychiatric ward.
Molon Lube

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 08:14:56 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on February 08, 2010, 08:05:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 08, 2010, 07:38:25 PM
:|

I hope he gets the chair.

He is doing precisely what we have programmed him to do.

We train helicopter repairmen to waterboard people?


1.  There is no rear area (risk to non-combat personnel is almost as high as that of combat personnel), and

2.  We tell them it's acceptable.

What he did wasn't actually waterboarding.  If he'd been trained to do it properly, that kid would have been singing her ABCs all the way to the psychiatric ward.

Makes sense...
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

Storebrand

Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 08:12:59 PM
Quote from: gin on February 08, 2010, 08:03:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 08, 2010, 07:38:25 PM
:|

I hope he gets the chair.

He is doing precisely what we have programmed him to do.
:cry: :cry: :cry:


1.  Obtain primates.
2.  Put them in a military situation, but do not give them a mission.
3.  Have them wander in circles until someone blows a few of them up.
4.  Tell them that torture is okay, because the enemy is less than human.  The enemy is anyone not in their unit.
5.  Repeat for 15 months.
6.  Send the subjects home with no counseling.

What happened here was inevitable.  It will happen many more times.  I imagine that worse things are happening, but have yet to come to light.

I know.  That's why I  :cry:

Jasper

Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 08, 2010, 07:38:25 PM
:|

I hope he gets the chair.

He is doing precisely what we have programmed him to do.

Yeah, the military is in the monster creation business.  I'm down for systemic change, ethical treatment of prisoners, and other Nice ThingsTM, but in the interim, I'd like to see crimes get punished.

Requia ☣

Quote from: Sigmatic on February 09, 2010, 07:05:29 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 08, 2010, 07:38:25 PM
:|

I hope he gets the chair.

He is doing precisely what we have programmed him to do.

Yeah, the military is in the monster creation business.  I'm down for systemic change, ethical treatment of prisoners, and other Nice ThingsTM, but in the interim, I'd like to see crimes get punished.

Extremist.
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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Sigmatic on February 09, 2010, 07:05:29 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 08, 2010, 07:38:25 PM
:|

I hope he gets the chair.

He is doing precisely what we have programmed him to do.

Yeah, the military is in the monster creation business.  I'm down for systemic change, ethical treatment of prisoners, and other Nice ThingsTM, but in the interim, I'd like to see crimes get punished.

You're one of those "rule of law" extremists, aren't you?
Molon Lube

Jenne

We have a lot of military around here...makes me wonder.

Triple Zero

Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2010, 08:14:56 PMWhat he did wasn't actually waterboarding.  If he'd been trained to do it properly, that kid would have been singing her ABCs all the way to the psychiatric ward.

I think that was Enki's point about "transparent anti-torture propaganda".

Both things are horrible, but

dunking a kid's head just under water = child abuse
doing the thing with the piece of cloth over the face, chin higher than forehead, pouring water over that = waterboarding

They're just calling it "waterboarding" because the man used to be in Iraq.
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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Triple Zero on February 09, 2010, 04:05:21 PM

I think that was Enki's point about "transparent anti-torture propaganda".

You know what's really horrible? 

The fact that we need any anti-torture propaganda at all.  Just think about that for a moment.

Also, this leads me to believe that Enki is upset by "transparent anti-torture propaganda".
Molon Lube