(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/The_Invisibles_V2_13_00AShadeScan.jpg)
Now I'm not someone who reads a lot of comics. But I devoured
The Invisibles. Like
Illuminatus!, I think its one of those things that all Discordians should read at some point.
The Invisibles are a sect of Discordianesqe hero types who fight the forces which are trying to control and conform reality. But it's more than that. There's a lot of drugs, explosions, philosophical banter, chaos magic, and obscure literary references too. If that's your shtick, I think you'll dig it.
Many people believe that
The Invisibles was the inspiration for
The Matrix. Morrison says they essentially plagiarized it "plot by plot, detail by detail, image by image." (he's not pissed, just wishes he got credit) But it goes a lot further than the Matrix - those of you who wish the Wachowskis pushed the conceptual envelope a little further will probably find what you were looking for here.
Compare/contrast the scene where Agent Smith interrogates Morpheus with
this snippet:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/The_Invisibles_V1_19_07.jpg)
As a side note - there's a plotline towards the beginning which seems a little bit slow. Later in the series, Morrison says he regretted how it turned out - too much crazy jibba jabba and not enough action. I won't tell you which one it is. And I don't think it's that bad. But if you get a little way into this and then are all "The Professor lied - this is
boring!" just hang on--
Towards the end of volume 1 (the files I've listed above), it gets really intense. It gives me goosebumps remembering how awesome it is.
Here's a snippet more from the beginning:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/Invisibles_v1_03_10.jpg)
anyway, I hope you guys dig it as much as I did. When I'm in a funk, I read the Invisibles to motivate me to get off my ass and go shake shit up. Grant Morrison's a
genius.
DLed "The Filth" a little while ago, and I was impressed. I'm definitely going to download these as well. Nice work Prof.
thankew! I read the first iss a while back and I been looking for the rest ever since
Thanks man, I've heard alot about this series, and was even shown a copy once, but I didn't get a chance to read it.
I'm sure I'll be requesting the other volumes soon too ;).
page 23 (ZOMGPENILE!) is missing from vol 1 book 3.
What happen??
22 or 23?
page 22 is supposed to just be blank white space
Oh ok, well thats fine I suppose.
Also, not to be a whiner, but I think you scanned some pages offly and looks like half the page is missing, though I'm not sure if theres any text I've missed out on, not that its a huge deal, I think I get whats going on anyway.
Just about to start part 6 now...
Funny, now I know why a few friends of mine were talking about getting white buttons...
Hey Cram, I don't suppose there's any chance you have Alan Moore's Promethea on that hard drive of yours?
Nope - but if anyone's interested, I do have
*Batman: Hush - in which batman fights superman, among other people.
*Frank Miller's 300 - very short - only like 5 issues I think.
& a few others, but I'm at work right now and don't have access to my harddrivez
I have all of 300, but its on my laptop.
I'm definitely interested in 300, and I LOVED the Filth. However, I'm having issues with the Invisibles files (I do not rule out the possibility of idiocy on my part with that :eek:). What format are the issues in? I'm running a run-of-the-mill PC with XP Pro and no fancy-schmancy graphics programs, and the files (after I went to uncompress them) were in a format I didn't recognize.
I definitely want to drink deep of this one (the samples you posted are GREAT) but I can't yet, so ...
They can be viewed with CDisplay, a small program used to view comic books. You can download a copy here (http://www.geocities.com/davidayton/CDisplay).
Glad you're digging it! That makes it worth it that I almost threw my monitor out a window while trying to upload all this stuff.
Swote! I'll DL that when I get home. Definitely worth it - I spent a good couple hours this weekend pouring over the Filth, and my allergy-addled brain made it VERY entertaining 8) I'm looking forward to the Invisibles, too!
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 08, 2007, 08:27:27 PM
They can be viewed with CDisplay, a small program used to view comic books. You can download a copy here (http://www.geocities.com/davidayton/CDisplay).
Glad you're digging it! That makes it worth it that I almost threw my monitor out a window while trying to upload all this stuff.
You're a fucking legend cram! Your hard work is well appreciated. I never read morrison since 2000ad days but it appears he's turned into another Alan Moore. What a find.
So, I've gotten about 18 or 19 comics in, and holy CRAP this shit is amazing! I'm loving this stuff - great series, and I might have to actually dig up the paper versions of these as they're well worth having a hard copy of. Truly incredible, very motivating stuff.
Thanks a TON Prof :mrgreen:
Just finished reading The Filth. Looking forward to this one, but fuckin hell is it taking ages to d/l.
cheers cram!
Quote from: Cram
If there's interest, I'll upload the other two volumes.
Do it ... NOW!
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 17, 2007, 07:09:55 AM
Quote from: Cram
If there's interest, I'll upload the other two volumes.
Do it ... NOW!
Seconded. We demand MOAR! :mrgreen:
Of course, you could always do your part to ensure Morrison writes more stuff like this by actually buying his artistic work...
Oh I plan on that - I'm just in the process of getting over a nasty cold though and that screwed up my plans for the week something fierce. Think New England Comics would have this? Or would I have to order it?
NEC might.
Million Year Picnic in Harvard Sq would be a better guess, though.
And it's got a better porn section, too.
Cool - I'll check NEC since there's one literally around the corner from me in Allston, but if they don't have it I'll wander up to Harvard Square. Well worth the trip!
I think there's a graphic-novel style collection of volume 1, but not the rest. Get this: I found the graphic novel in the children's section of the public library.
I'll upload more when I get home tonight.
I have all (well, most) of the Invisibles in trade paperback format, i.e. 10 or so groupings of 10 or so issues collected under one cover.
Quote from: LMNO on May 17, 2007, 02:28:35 PM
Of course, you could always do your part to ensure Morrison writes more stuff like this by actually buying his artistic work...
LOL, yeah, I might just do that.
Maybe when I'm on my way to my local church to hand out save the whale pamphlets, just before I turn myself in for past crimes on account of I can't live with the guilt anymore :lulz:
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 17, 2007, 03:30:03 PM
Quote from: LMNO on May 17, 2007, 02:28:35 PM
Of course, you could always do your part to ensure Morrison writes more stuff like this by actually buying his artistic work...
LOL, yeah, I might just do that.
Maybe when I'm on my way to my local church to hand out save the whale pamphlets, just before I turn myself in for past crimes on account of I can't live with the guilt anymore :lulz:
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
I meant to upload more Inviziblez last night, but instead I drank beer and played Oblivion. Sorry guys, but the bums of the Imperial City have had it too easy for too long and needed to be beaten up and dumped in a river.
Hail Citizen!
Downloaded a good deal of Morrison's work after loving Kill Your Boyfriend, but then realised that I don't really like any of it. Tried reading The Invisibles a couple of times, but couldn't get past that initial "wtf?" stage, although I'm sure I'd love it if I could get past the first ten issues or so.
If Professor Cramulus doesn't mind me stealing his thunder, I could help out with the uploading.
This is not about thunder and the thievery thereof. This is about my hard drive and how much blagged sit I can get on it.
Well i read the first issue of Invisibles last night.
Quite enjoyable, but obviously, the story has barely started.
I reckon I'll have to add my voice to the others calling for moar uploads.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/bin%20bin%20bin%20bin%20bin/The_Invisibles_V3_01_00A_Shade_Scan.jpg)
I've FINALLY uploaded the rest of The Invisibles:
In Volumes 2 and 3 they go through a lot of different artists and styles. They also turn volume 1 on its head.
Vol 2 Part 1 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16467639/21faaf0b/invisibles_vol_2_part_1.html)
Vol 2 Part 2 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16467636/b145b29a/invisibles_vol_2_part_2.html)
Vol 2 Part 3 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16467635/284ce320/invisibles_vol_2_part_3.html)
Vol 2 Part 4 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16478268/4980fae2/invisibles_vol_2_part_4.html)
Vol 2 Part 5 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16478267/d93fe773/invisibles_vol_2_part_5.html)
Vol 2 Part 6 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16478266/ae38d7e5/invisibles_vol_2_part_6.html)
Vol 2 Part 7 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16433447/cd05d882/invisibles_vol_2_part_7.html)
Vol 2 Part 8 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16478269/3e87ca74/invisibles_vol_2_part_8.html)
Vol 3 Part 1 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16498181/13a96ff0/invisibles_vol_3_part_1.html)
Vol 3 Part 2 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16498178/ededcb9b/invisibles_vol_3_part_2.html)
There are like a million files in volume 2 because the scan quality is higher.
Then volume 3 is pretty short.
It just keeps twisting and mindfucking.
ROCK! My goal for tomorrow is to grab as much of the V for Vendetta, Invisibles, and Filth comics (in paper form!) as a birthday present to myself, but this will certainly be put to good use 8)
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 23, 2007, 04:06:41 PM
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/bin%20bin%20bin%20bin%20bin/The_Invisibles_V3_01_00A_Shade_Scan.jpg)
I've FINALLY uploaded the rest of The Invisibles:
In Volumes 2 and 3 they go through a lot of different artists and styles. They also turn volume 1 on its head.
Vol 2 Part 1 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16467639/21faaf0b/invisibles_vol_2_part_1.html)
Vol 2 Part 2 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16467636/b145b29a/invisibles_vol_2_part_2.html)
Vol 2 Part 3 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16467635/284ce320/invisibles_vol_2_part_3.html)
Vol 2 Part 4 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16478268/4980fae2/invisibles_vol_2_part_4.html)
Vol 2 Part 5 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16478267/d93fe773/invisibles_vol_2_part_5.html)
Vol 2 Part 6 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16478266/ae38d7e5/invisibles_vol_2_part_6.html)
Vol 2 Part 7 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16433447/cd05d882/invisibles_vol_2_part_7.html)
Vol 2 Part 8 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16478269/3e87ca74/invisibles_vol_2_part_8.html)
Vol 3 Part 1 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16498181/13a96ff0/invisibles_vol_3_part_1.html)
Vol 3 Part 2 (http://www.4shared.com/file/16498178/ededcb9b/invisibles_vol_3_part_2.html)
There are like a million files in volume 2 because the scan quality is higher.
Then volume 3 is pretty short.
It just keeps twisting and mindfucking.
This post entitles you to one free suckle on the Cybin Schlong!
Quote from: That One Guy on May 23, 2007, 04:13:11 PM
ROCK! My goal for tomorrow is to grab as much of the V for Vendetta, Invisibles, and Filth comics (in paper form!) as a birthday present to myself, but this will certainly be put to good use 8)
V for Vendetta is fabulous. Infinitely superior to the movie, though they over all did a decent job with the film, on a scale of comic book movies.
Someone dropped a suggestion of the Promethea books around here. They're really good, nice Alan Moore stuff, but a bit, uh.... well, MAGDJICKQUEY. Gorgeous art, but I wouldn't recommend those for most of the embittered misanthropes around here. :wink: Warren Ellis' Transmetropolitan is magnificent, though. It's been a while since I've read it, so I don't know if I can qualify it as "Discordian" or not, but it's damn fun.
-Darth Cupcake
Former DC/Vertigo employee... does it show? :p
Transmetropolitan is essential to anyone that likes Hunter S Thompson.
Since that's just about every Discordian I know, then...
Thanks for the heads up - I'll be looking out for that one
Finished reading this last night, and it's amazing. Truly excellent series. I REALLY need to get my hands on it, since there's so much of it that demands to be seen without shifting the pages around.
Thanks a bunch for this Prof!
btw for the peoples that use linux:
you can either download the CDisplay windows setup.exe and install it thru wine
or you can get a linux based reader called http://comix.sourceforge.net/ which also looks quite awesome and easy to use for comic book reading. it is also available via ubuntu's synaptic package manager, but that's an older version than the one you get via sourceforge (so i don't know about that one).
BUMPED
because I still think every Discordian should read this
Srsly good taste in comic books ITT.
A couple of the links from the second set are broken.
Also, King Mob looks way too much like Richard O'Brien. Its giving me early 90s flashbacks. I keep hearing KLF and Adamski and shit, and seeing raves. I never went to a rave in the early 90s.
Thirdly, props to Grant Morrison for writing Jack Frost's voice like someone actually from Liverpool. Admittedly, I was less impressed when I realized Morrison was not American, as I had presumed, but Scottish, but still, I was impressed with that attention to detail.
Torrent them.
Funny enough, heheh, Transmetropolitan got me into Hunter S Thompson.
im halfway through the first book...this series is incredibly ON for me most of the time and incredibly OFF for me some of the time. i can't put my finger on why it's off at times though. this tells me that it's not a lack of quality but something else. hmm
Morrison himself admits that he didn't really hit his stride until towards the end of book 1.
The beginning is SO STRONG
then the arcadia plotline is pretty weak IMHO
but then the Lord of All Tears ... and the whole part that they ripped off in The Matrix - it's graphic literature at its best.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on February 18, 2008, 06:17:20 PM
Morrison himself admits that he didn't really hit his stride until towards the end of book 1.
The beginning is SO STRONG
then the arcadia plotline is pretty weak IMHO
but then the Lord of All Tears ... and the whole part that they ripped off in The Matrix - it's graphic literature at its best.
yeah i'm at the part right after where king mob gets fucked with and jack frost first encounters the Lord of All Tears.
IMO, the whole series could have used a lot more scenes of Ragged Robin fucking... Well, everyone else. Including the shoggoth.
:lulz:
Just starrting on the "Arcadia" bit.
Thanks for the warning, I'll hang on through it.
Bumped cause all the links stopped working already. :x
Edit found the first 25 issues :lulz:
damnit... i missed it. i want want! :mad:
"The mini-series Flex Mentallo forms part of a thematic trilogy of Morrison's work, along with The Invisibles and The Filth."
hxxp://www.zshare.net/download/12225468884d76c6/
Thought you might like this
Much thanks, downloading now.
got the last link, thanks.
other links bad. :sad:
Quote from: daruko on May 19, 2008, 01:37:55 PM
got the last link, thanks.
other links bad. :sad:
Try these
hxxp://rapidshare.com/files/50913322/Vol._1_-_1-9.rar
htxtp://rapidshare.com/files/50920876/Vol._1_-_10-20.rar
hxtp://rapidshare.com/files/50924035/Vol._1_-_21-25.rar
htxp://rapidshare.com/files/50929838/Vol._2_-_1-7.rar
htxp://rapidshare.com/files/50936069/Vol._2_-_8-14.rar
htxp://rapidshare.com/files/50942370/Vol._2_-_15-21.rar
htxp://rapidshare.com/files/50945004/The_Invisibles_Vol_02__22.cbr
hxtp://rapidshare.com/files/50952392/Vol._3_1-12.rar
Quote from: Yarbles on May 19, 2008, 09:07:15 PM
Quote from: daruko on May 19, 2008, 01:37:55 PM
got the last link, thanks.
other links bad. :sad:
Try these
hxtp://rapidshare.com/files/50913322/Vol._1_-_1-9.rar
htxp://rapidshare.com/files/50920876/Vol._1_-_10-20.rar
hxp://rapidshare.com/files/50924035/Vol._1_-_21-25.rar
htxp://rapidshare.com/files/50929838/Vol._2_-_1-7.rar
hxp://rapidshare.com/files/50936069/Vol._2_-_8-14.rar
hxp://rapidshare.com/files/50942370/Vol._2_-_15-21.rar
hxp://rapidshare.com/files/50945004/The_Invisibles_Vol_02__22.cbr
hxp://rapidshare.com/files/50952392/Vol._3_1-12.rar
I CERTAINLY will, as soon as I get home. Thanks in advance.
BUMP
OP edited. New link included:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3356276/%5BComics%5D_The_Invisibles_(The_dopest_shit_ever)
Praise be to Cain - for diggin up the torrent.
EVERYBODY READ THIS SHIT IT'S AWESOME
(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q363/RaphaellaVonMercer/90571pw400.jpg)
YES THIS SHIT IS AWESOME!! seriously... it's fucking awesome.
Fuck yeah, 23 more hours until the download completes.
So I actually bought the hard-copy versions of Watchmen, the Filth, and the Invisibles via Amazon (after looking around locally for a while, unsuccessfully other than the Watchmen). If I had a bit more cash to throw around I would have picked up Transmetropolitan as well, but funds are a bit limited due to my need to purchase a new comp in the near future.
As much as I've enjoyed the electronic versions (which I still have), there's nothing like pouring over the detail of one of the 2-page "panels" in the actual paper-and-ink copies, plus it gives Moore some cash in appreciation of his efforts (which the artist in me appreciates). I can't wait for all that to show up this week :D
:mittens:
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a149/Festwo/Jesus_Fucking_Christgif.jpg)
THANKYOU
:mittens: Just finished vol 1 and so far I love it.
a favorite spread of mine
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/invisbles_arcadea-2panel-1.jpg)
:lulz:
:mittens:
LOVE the guy on the right's expression.
the guy on the right is the Marquis de Sade :lol:
that art riffs on how artists and writers and poets try to change the future...
in the prior issues, Byron and Shelley wax on about how poetry is supposed to elevate us, to paint a picture of a better world so we can go there.
Later, they take the Marquis de Sade to a bondage club.
I guess Morrison is making the point that the Marquis de Sade left a bigger mark on the future than Lord Byron or Shelley or any of those idealistic dreamers. 8)
i need to finnish this series...i have it..just never finnished it.
(http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/modeling/images/FinnishFlag.jpg)
Loved The Invisibles.
The ending is awesome.
Quote from: Antonymous on December 18, 2008, 07:06:42 AM
Loved The Invisibles.
The ending is awesome.
The story changes when you read it a second time.
BUMP:
Starting volume three. Just a little note on it, the issues are numbered in reverse starting at twelve, but one of the uploads going around has them numbered the wrong way so I am after reading the last issue.
I'm hoping it doesn't spoil much, I was pretty damn confused and thought grant had gone off his rocker.
Oh well, thats my tale on the horrors of piracy.
I hope they release this in as a trade I really want to own it and read it physically in my hands.
On the topic, I also wonder, what do you all think about the change in drawing style in vol.3 ?
From what I gather, the first two volumes had different artists as well, but I never really noticed. The third volume however is distinctively more "cartoonish", which to me, makes certain stuff which would have been quite gripping in the older more realistic style a lot less "in your face".
maybe it's just me.
Quote from: Triple Zero on May 19, 2009, 08:02:44 PM
On the topic, I also wonder, what do you all think about the change in drawing style in vol.3 ?
From what I gather, the first two volumes had different artists as well, but I never really noticed. The third volume however is distinctively more "cartoonish", which to me, makes certain stuff which would have been quite gripping in the older more realistic style a lot less "in your face".
maybe it's just me.
Unfortunately yeah. Its the same guy who did the Volume The Kindly Ones of the Sandman. I don't like it. The atmosphere it gives is tense but I think it is a very poor match for the content being portrayed. However from looking at the list of artists for this volume theres actually a lot of variation. So it will be interesting to see what the rest of Vol 3 is like.
Quote from: Cramulus on November 19, 2008, 02:12:56 PM
I guess Morrison is making the point that the Marquis de Sade left a bigger mark on the future than Lord Byron or Shelley or any of those idealistic dreamers. 8)
This might be true, but Byron and Shelley sort of set a standard. The Marquis simply raped the quo. :hit:
oh and in case anybody missed this when he posted in that thread that time: Link (http://anonym.to/http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YZ6W9SB3)
Bump- Either I cannot figure out torrents, or being on campus makes me time out.
Can I get a hand?
Quote from: Risus on April 13, 2010, 11:07:03 PM
Bump- Either I cannot figure out torrents, or being on campus makes me time out.
Can I get a hand?
Come to IRC if you don't have it working yet
Quote from: Chryselephantine Shavenwolf on April 13, 2010, 11:21:48 PM
Quote from: Risus on April 13, 2010, 11:07:03 PM
Bump- Either I cannot figure out torrents, or being on campus makes me time out.
Can I get a hand?
Come to IRC if you don't have it working yet
I manage to get the DOWNLOAD link into uTorrent, but it times out before the status bar fills up.
I'm probably doing it wrong.
Other ways to go about The Invisibles?
Check your PMs
Quote from: Risus on April 14, 2010, 01:19:06 AM
Other ways to go about The Invisibles?
Go to comic book store, and give Grant Morrison some of your money.
Quote from: LMNO on April 14, 2010, 01:52:19 PM
Quote from: Risus on April 14, 2010, 01:19:06 AM
Other ways to go about The Invisibles?
Go to comic book store, and give Grant Morrison some of your money.
:argh!:
He'll spend it all on hookers and drugs!
Quote from: Risus on April 14, 2010, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 14, 2010, 01:52:19 PM
Quote from: Risus on April 14, 2010, 01:19:06 AM
Other ways to go about The Invisibles?
Go to comic book store, and give Grant Morrison some of your money.
:argh!:
He'll spend it all on hookers and drugs!
I would like to disclaim this as additional info, that I hope others might find interesting should they be unaware of it, and want to avoid that pedantry purges we'll soon be seeing around here.
Comic shops are set up differently from regular book stores in that they bought all their copies from the suppliers. As I understand it, book stores can sell their unsold stock back to the publishers and break even if they risk it on an unknown title. Comic stores don't have that luxury, in that they are stuck with whatever copies they don't sell.
In this case, Grant Morrison would have gotten his money from the issue you buy, but additional sales means the shop might buy additional copies in the future, thus giving him potential future money. Even if they don't buy more copies, you're still supporting your local independently owned comic shop, which is also why, if you intend to buy comics, you should do so there and not at big chains.
This may have been addressed recently with Roger's MSY project, though.
Does that hold true for the collected volumes though?
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 15, 2010, 04:46:15 AM
Does that hold true for the collected volumes though?
AFAIK anything in the comic shop has been purchased by the comic shop. Really I can only be certain about monthly issues, and anyone who knows more about the industry is welcome to correct me (Suu said she knew quite a bit in another thread, and Dok, as I mentioned, is doing the MSY project).
Creator-owned comics are a relatively recent thing as well, so royalties might not even be an issue. I think there was something about Alan Moore not seeing any money from Watchmen unless it stopped printing and was re-released. Well it's been in its first printing for over twenty years now, so he gets nothing.
Again, this is all just stuff I've heard from one place or another. Considering the guys who invented Superman died without a cent to their names I'm inclined to believe it.
My only problem with the Invisibles is that Frank Quitely didn't pencil the whole series :argh!:
I've read the entire thing about five times over the years, probably my favourite comic (a close 2nd is Transmetropolitan.) Maybe I've done too many drugs in my time, and also doing them while reading his work, but Morrison's writing really speaks to me. There is a weird mental sincerity going on with his pet projects, like some benevolent occulty force blossoming your mind and is just on the cusp of really fucking you up. I really dug the symbolism of the outer church being insectoid because they are larval form. I also loved reading the letter section, like when he begged his audience to jerk off and imagine better sales.
Doom Patrol is really good too, definitely some points of brilliance in there. His mainstream stuff with Justice League and X-Men is also worth checking out but alas it's no where near as awesome as his strange works. Seaguy, Flex Mentallo, and Zenith are all great. And All-Star Superman is just perfect.
Disinfo published an annotation guide to the Invisibles. Even if it's mostly crap (which is probably isn't -- they did it in conjunction with Morrison), it's worth having a copy.
I think I have a PDF of it around somewhere. I can provide if necessary.
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on April 16, 2010, 03:03:23 AM
Disinfo published an annotation guide to the Invisibles. Even if it's mostly crap (which is probably isn't -- they did it in conjunction with Morrison), it's worth having a copy.
I think I have a PDF of it around somewhere. I can provide if necessary.
Yea I got the pdf floating around somewhere as well.. I think it spoils the fun though. I don't need a disinfo book to tell me how arcane bananas them arcane bananas is. Still a good read but I was more interested in the interviews and such rather than a frame by frame walkthrough. There's a series of books on Morrison, the first one is called Grant Morrison: The Early Years, and I think it leads up to his work with Animal Man (which I've yet to read) and the next one should be out soon which I (speculative) imagine will cover the invisibles. Looking forward to both actually.
Quote from: h-town on April 16, 2010, 04:23:08 AM
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on April 16, 2010, 03:03:23 AM
Disinfo published an annotation guide to the Invisibles. Even if it's mostly crap (which is probably isn't -- they did it in conjunction with Morrison), it's worth having a copy.
Grant Morrison: The Early Years, and I think it leads up to his work with Animal Man (which I've yet to read) and the next one should be out soon which I (speculative) imagine will cover the invisibles. Looking forward to both actually.
Morrison's stint on Animal Man, was such a change from the work he did with Fleetway, Esp ON 2000AD, (which I loved too) and shows a maturity, and scope that was either missing before, or maybe DC, with their groundbreaking Vertigo concept, (and their love of British talent) saw his potential, and gave Morrison total creative control, but the direction he took Buddy in, was like a breath of fresh air, to what was already one of Vertigo's best titles. The meeting between Grant Morrison, and Buddy, was a truly inspired touch, that just shouldn't work at all as a concept, it is a testament to Morrison's talent that it actually does.
But my favourite "hidden gem" of Morrison's is the one off title for Vertigo, "Kill your Boyfriend". It has been reprinted a couple of times, and I re-read it again, (for about the 50th time) yesterday. It still had me in fucking stitches. To compare him to Alan Moore, is not really fair though, both of them have staggering talent and depth, and it makes me try to decide which one I prefer. I can only come to the conclusion that I prefer Morrison. And Moore. Equally, if that makes any sense. And don't even get me started on Neil Gaiman.
I prefer Moore over Morrison because of his whole "narrative as magic" thing, while Morrison strikes me as more haphazard and drug-induced. Love them both, though.
Quote from: Brotep on April 27, 2010, 03:27:03 PM
I prefer Moore over Morrison because of his whole "narrative as magic" thing, while Morrison strikes me as more haphazard and drug-induced. Love them both, though.
To be fair, Morrison claims to be the inventor of 'narrative as magic' -- and claims that The Invisibles was the first hypersigil. But, it's a matter of intent, and also bullshit since narrative incantations have been recorded since around 4000 BC.
I hate the prefer such and such thing when regarding writers. They have very different styles and qualities, both are incredibly good writers and each suits a certain mood that the other does not.
Quote from: h-town on April 16, 2010, 01:12:24 AM
Seaguy, Flex Mentallo, and Zenith are all great. And All-Star Superman is just perfect.
I had totally forgotten about Zenith. (Probably when I first became aware of Morrison)
And WE3 TP. Eerie, dark, and provocative. With the added bonus of cute fluffy animals. Nikolai Dante wasn't too bad either.
But the way he brought such a perfect mix of humour and darkness, to Animal Man was beautiful. The peripheral characters also seemed to develop well, along with Buddy. In fact, the character of Cliff was explored, perhaps as deeply as Buddy's was, and little Maxine too. Jamie Delano was nearly as good, but Morrison proved himself to be a real heavyweight in Animal Man. Loved it.
The first phase of zenith is still my favourite. The others get too muddled, too busy, too incoherent at times. For me Morrison is at his best when he's not trying so hard to be the meta-comic genius he advertises himself to be.
Kill your boyfriend is boss.
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:fap:
Hope I'm not too late. I love this series. I also love The Filth and Flex Mentallo.
Quote from: h-town on April 16, 2010, 01:12:24 AM
I've read the entire thing about five times over the years, probably my favourite comic (a close 2nd is Transmetropolitan.) ...Morrison's writing really speaks to me. There is a weird mental sincerity going on with his pet projects, like some benevolent occulty force blossoming your mind and is just on the cusp of really fucking you up.
Seconded.
As for the PDF of the Disinfo book, come on guys - look a page back. Burns linked it.
This is a great video of Grant Morrison at the Disinfo Con years ago, interesting and insightful at points.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6148569602584070911# (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6148569602584070911#)
Also if anyone wants to buy any invisibles comics i have a load i am going to ebay ill sell the cheap to you guys, if your interested pm me and ill tell you what i have.
If anyone is interested in original copies i am selling them on ebay.co.uk UK residents only
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180555632920&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180555632920&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT)
'Sigil' as a word is out of date. All this magic stuff needs new terminology because it's not what people are being told it is at all. It's not all this wearying symbolic misdirection that's being dragged up from the Victorian Age, when no-one was allowed to talk plainly and everything was in coy poetic code. The world's at a crisis point and it's time to stop bullshitting around with Qabalah and Thelema and Chaos and Information and all the rest of the metaphoric smoke and mirrors designed to make the rubes think magicians are 'special' people with special powers. It's not like that. Everyone does magic all the time in different ways. 'Life' plus 'significance' = magic. (Grant Morrison, 2004)
I'd say to myself or whoever I was with, 'It'll look good in the biography.' and then I'd go ahead and do whatever daft thing it was - like taking acid on the sacred mesa or doing the bungee-jump, getting the haircut, dancing with the stranger, talking to the crowd - whatever I was 'scared' of mostly, or fancied doing, or never dared before, I'd try it on the basis that it would make for a more interesting read one day. (2004) [16]
When Nietzsche said God is dead, he forgot to mention that Satan died in the same horrific accident. [17]
Otherwise, I know I'm often wasting my breath and electronic ink saying this, but the "real-world" is a pretty weird place where lots of inexplicable things happen all the time, and I like to catch the flavor of that too. It just seems more modern and authentic to me as a storyteller. The "real world" doesn't come with the neat thee-act structures and resolutions we love to impose on it, and if repeated doses of movie and TV-storytelling have convinced anyone that it does, it's time to get out and about a bit. The real world is filled with ghost stories, non sequiturs, inexplicable mysteries, dead ends and absurdities, and I think it's cool to season our comfortable fictions with at least a little taste of what actual reality is like. [18]
Quite the Philosopher, on the quiet then,
Quote from: Cramulus on November 04, 2010, 03:00:19 AM
I'd say to myself or whoever I was with, 'It'll look good in the biography.' and then I'd go ahead and do whatever daft thing it was - like taking acid on the sacred mesa or doing the bungee-jump, getting the haircut, dancing with the stranger, talking to the crowd - whatever I was 'scared' of mostly, or fancied doing, or never dared before, I'd try it on the basis that it would make for a more interesting read one day. (2004) [16]
When Nietzsche said God is dead, he forgot to mention that Satan died in the same horrific accident. [17]
Otherwise, I know I'm often wasting my breath and electronic ink saying this, but the "real-world" is a pretty weird place where lots of inexplicable things happen all the time, and I like to catch the flavor of that too. It just seems more modern and authentic to me as a storyteller. The "real world" doesn't come with the neat thee-act structures and resolutions we love to impose on it, and if repeated doses of movie and TV-storytelling have convinced anyone that it does, it's time to get out and about a bit. The real world is filled with ghost stories, non sequiturs, inexplicable mysteries, dead ends and absurdities, and I think it's cool to season our comfortable fictions with at least a little taste of what actual reality is like. [18]
Goddam, Gmo rocks.
How he ever finds the time to run a successful Supermarket chain as well, beats the shit out of me! (Off to charge up my sigils Nectar Card now) :fap:
well put cram
Great quotes Cram.
I am now the captain of this thread.
Dude, I'm pretty sure you misspelled your name.
yeah, it should be in all caps!
HAL PHILLIPS, can you tell us a little about the Grant Morrison DVD you got ahold of? Apparently it contains a lot of interview with Morrison about the Invisibles, and his opinion of it changed after 9/11.
i didn't even know this dvd existed! could you torrent it?
Quote from: DeusExMachina on December 15, 2010, 11:40:24 PM
i didn't even know this dvd existed! could you torrent it?
It cant be posted on the forum, if someone is sending it to you it has to be via pm.
pm me it please or let me know where i could buy it. thanks. Never on here at all anymore work too much!
http://www.amazon.com/Grant-Morrison-Talking-Gods/dp/B003VADSNW
Thanks Cram got the link from Faust aswell will be nice for some christmas viewing
I bought and watched Talking with Gods. It wasn't as mind-blowing or fascinating as I had hoped, or as the name implies, but still interesting for someone wanting to know basically a biography of Morrison, how he got into comics and that.
SO, I finally got the whole series and read it.
And it was crap.
It's fun if you're willing to go along with some of the silly and do a little of the extracurricular reading (the "everyone in a white suit is an outsider playing The Invisibles" theory is a particularly good one). I can see why it didn't do much for you, though. Morrison never sticks the landing.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on February 22, 2016, 05:34:39 PM
It's fun if you're willing to go along with some of the silly and do a little of the extracurricular reading (the "everyone in a white suit is an outsider playing The Invisibles" theory is a particularly good one). I can see why it didn't do much for you, though. Morrison never sticks the landing.
It was the ending. It was gibberish and made me want to punch a nun. Seriously. Morrison ALWAYS does this. He gets high and gets a good idea, but then he STAYS high and writes it.
Wow only a six year old thread.
He doesn't get high any more though as far as I know, well not in the creative process.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 22, 2016, 05:36:44 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on February 22, 2016, 05:34:39 PM
It's fun if you're willing to go along with some of the silly and do a little of the extracurricular reading (the "everyone in a white suit is an outsider playing The Invisibles" theory is a particularly good one). I can see why it didn't do much for you, though. Morrison never sticks the landing.
It was the ending. It was gibberish and made me want to punch a nun. Seriously. Morrison ALWAYS does this. He gets high and gets a good idea, but then he STAYS high and writes it.
He really could have cut it after the end of the royals arc when Jack and Fanny went off to start their new cabal. Still would have been a lot of dangling ends, but they wouldn't have been as obnoxious as his 2012 stuff.
I enjoyed it right up to that final issue, I hated the ending, but thats still a decades worth of story that was decent.
His endings are very inconsistent, I find with the shorter series like All Star Superman and the filth they tend to be better.
Quote from: Faust on February 22, 2016, 08:13:54 PM
I enjoyed it right up to that final issue, I hated the ending, but thats still a decades worth of story that was decent.
His endings are very inconsistent, I find with the shorter series like All Star Superman and the filth they tend to be better.
I really enjoyed the middle of the story, especially the life of a mook. He did the same thing with Kid Eternity and Flex Mentallo, but both were so good otherwise that I didn't really get bothered by it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 22, 2016, 08:28:06 PM
Quote from: Faust on February 22, 2016, 08:13:54 PM
I enjoyed it right up to that final issue, I hated the ending, but thats still a decades worth of story that was decent.
His endings are very inconsistent, I find with the shorter series like All Star Superman and the filth they tend to be better.
I really enjoyed the middle of the story, especially the life of a mook. He did the same thing with Kid Eternity and Flex Mentallo, but both were so good otherwise that I didn't really get bothered by it.
Last Man Fall? One of my favorite anythings ever. The old and the monster was good, too.
He's the poor man's Alan Moore.
https://youtu.be/RE3wBUn-0p8