working class

[wade]

Why must the working class guy be forced to keep the same job for his entire life?
He isn't, is he?  No he isn't, he can get another job, work hard there, start from the bottom and work his way up, just like he did in his previous job.   
Back to my first question, why must he work the same job for his entire life?  For job security, a constant pay cheque, a small pay raise every so often, and even for a pension plan so he can at least live decently while no longer able to work.
So why should he continue working at a place thaat robs him of his dignity, a place that refuses to acknowledge his hard work? He shouldn't should he?  No he shouldn't.

Too many people do sacrifice their dignity in order to have that constant cheque, that pension plan, and so on, they're fucking morons.  These morons make it easy for those in charge to get away with not treating their employess with respect, they make it easy for them to get away with robbing someone of their dignity.     
It isn't fair for those people who work hard for the company, who enjoy doing their job, while earning less then those who are employed to do the same job as you but work a lot less.
     
So what should the man do, request a raise, or just quit and move on to another job much like the ones prior?   He asks for the raise, and what happens to him.  He is told,  "You are hired to do what we tell you to do, you're fired."  This is what they can easily get away with.   They will work you like a dog, then shoot you dead once they realize you know you're being treated unfair.




What actually happened was, my dad worked for this place that picked up deadstock.  He would just work constantly for the day, and it turns out everyone else he worked with just fucked the dog all day long.  They didn't put in half the work he would.   That's fine, he only started to get annoyed when the dog fuckers would make up excuses for not wanting to work a "busy run" so they would give it to my dad to do.  Eventually my dad had enough of picking up other peoples slack and asked for a raise.  he said If I am going to be doing more work then everyone else, fine, let me always do it, but pay me for it.   They fired him. 
A hard honest working man fired because he wouldn't put up with the fact that they were abusing him.

what was he supposed to do, be a dog fucker also? it isn't like him. be content with the paycheque and fuck dogs like everyone else?   meh...   I'm just pissed off that the company can get away with treating him like that.   and it isn't like he was there for only a few weeks, he was there for about a year, while this would go on before finally asking for a raise...

I'm pretty angry right now, and sad...
my dads "hurt" right now, as he put it, "I'm really hurt" about this...



I dont know tgrr but i think i could kill a motherfucker...
Or Kill Me...?

[P3nT4gR4m]

Hard lesson to learn but no one ever got shit for working hard - that's the myth right there. Doing as little as humanly possible is the best way to prepare yourself for upper management.

[rong]

usually, working hard only gets you more work

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

If you're going to work hard, best bet is to start your own business so you can reap the rewards of your own hard work, 'cause The Company don't give a shit.

[wade]

usually, working hard only gets you more work

yeah, that's exactly what happened.  The dog fuckers would wine their way out of more work so the management gives it to the hard worker.  My dad said that's fine, but he felt that the pay should reflect it. which is logical and makes sense to me...  but not to them...  no respect given to hard workers...   it is such bullshit. SO unfair.  

[wade]

If you're going to work hard, best bet is to start your own business so you can reap the rewards of your own hard work, 'cause The Company don't give a shit.

good point.  I know my dad would do excellent, he has an outstanding work ethic from what I have seen.  He is also a very kind person as well, he'll go out of his way to help someone in need of it... but then again, once you cross him, you're his enemy.  Like you no longer exist to him, ignored...

I should talk to him about starting his own business, brainstorm and shit.....  Obviously funding will be his biggest problem...

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Maybe the workplace should be run on a more military model, for increased fairness.

[Dr. Pataphoros, SpD]

Maybe the workplace should be run on a more military model, for increased fairness.

As a veteran, I can say that's a horrible idea.

In order to become the equivilant of middle management you have to go before a board where you are questioned on militaria.  Basically, if you know what regulation covers Military Courtesy, how deep a field latrine should be, and what the Army's definition of Loyalty is, you're in.  Any idiot can be promoted above you, and then they have an impact on whether you are promoted.  It's basically a good ol' boy's club. 

When you DO get promoted, if you're not part of the "club" then they will do their best to make sure you are marginallized and take the fall for everything.  The chances of you surviving this phase with your rank intact are slim.  Any effort to actually be a good leader and take care of your Soldiers is usually met with hostility: especially if it shows the incompetence of other leaders.  Meanwhile, the good ol' boy's club watches each other's backs so that all the fucked up shit they pull gets blamed on someone else or brushed under the rug.

[LMNO]

Maybe the workplace should be run on a more military model, for increased fairness.

Dammit, I was gonna riff on that.

[Dr. Pataphoros, SpD]

Maybe the workplace should be run on a more military model, for increased fairness.

Dammit, I was gonna riff on that.

Psh, go ahead.  I doubt I covered even half of the reasons that's a bad idea.

[Cain]

Maybe the workplace should be run on a more military model, for increased fairness.

Dammit, I was gonna riff on that.

Psh, go ahead.  I doubt I covered even half of the reasons that's a bad idea.

Pataphoros,
I believe Nigel is mocking 221's idea that both policing in the ghetto and teaching should be militarized with another silly example.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Maybe the workplace should be run on a more military model, for increased fairness.

Dammit, I was gonna riff on that.

Psh, go ahead.  I doubt I covered even half of the reasons that's a bad idea.

Pataphoros,
I believe Nigel is mocking 221's idea that both policing in the ghetto and teaching should be militarized with another silly example.

[wade]

Maybe the workplace should be run on a more military model, for increased fairness.

yeah,,,  I think you're on to something there....

 

[wade]

Maybe the workplace should be run on a more military model, for increased fairness.

As a veteran, I can say that's a horrible idea.

In order to become the equivilant of middle management you have to go before a board where you are questioned on militaria.  Basically, if you know what regulation covers Military Courtesy, how deep a field latrine should be, and what the Army's definition of Loyalty is, you're in.  Any idiot can be promoted above you, and then they have an impact on whether you are promoted.  It's basically a good ol' boy's club. 

When you DO get promoted, if you're not part of the "club" then they will do their best to make sure you are marginallized and take the fall for everything.  The chances of you surviving this phase with your rank intact are slim.  Any effort to actually be a good leader and take care of your Soldiers is usually met with hostility: especially if it shows the incompetence of other leaders.  Meanwhile, the good ol' boy's club watches each other's backs so that all the fucked up shit they pull gets blamed on someone else or brushed under the rug.

A CPL 'm on course with now was telling me a story where he and the otehr soldier he was with were given some battle plans taht came out of west point and were told to pick it apart....   apparantly the battle plan was a horrible one...   one of the main points I remember was they had soldiers positions in their own arcs of fire. (facing eachother)

[wade]

Maybe the workplace should be run on a more military model, for increased fairness.

Dammit, I was gonna riff on that.

Psh, go ahead.  I doubt I covered even half of the reasons that's a bad idea.

Pataphoros,
I believe Nigel is mocking 221's idea that both policing in the ghetto and teaching should be militarized with another silly example.

Again, I don't think they should POLICE the ghetto.  I think they should SECURE the neighborhoods that everyone knows not to walk into late at night...     secure it, and then provide those citizens with alternatives that derail them from the path of crime... and I think that is an unfair assessment of what I think should be done to the school system..  basically I want the schools to program people so they hate eatch other less...