Really real discordians

[Enrico Salazar]

Wait wait wait.

"Faggot" is not term of endearment in USA?

[Phox]

But the problem lies in the fact that language IS a very powerful social tool. Whether you adhere to the norms or not, is a statement about the kind of people you wish to associate with, whether you intend it to be or not. You can tell the most about a person by the way they speak above all other things.

What's the problem, exactly?  You're describing exactly what I said:  that language has social normative values, and a certain knowledge of them is required to function with any success while using it.

Now, English language LEARNERS (meaning:  people who don't speak the language indigenously NOR live within the cultures that speak it indigenously) don't always KNOW those values or live them, do they?  So their perception would be "off" sometimes.  And the internet is an INTERESTING place to learn those values, to say the least.

It's less black and white, is what I'm saying, than you seem to want to accept or purport, but then language, interaction and culture tends to be that way once you go past the "this is wrong, this is right, etc." sort of discussion.

Oh, i was agreeing with you. The "but the problem is" was leftover thought from my response to Cram. Sorry about that.

Wait, since when have queers not appropriated the word "fag"? We must live on different planets.

Also, "the LGBT community".

Sorry, longstanding pet peeve.

I meant "officially". And when I refer to the "LGBT community" I mean the organizations that claim to be just that, not the actual collective of  homosexual people in the country. And you and I might as well live on separate planets in terms of tolerance levels. Acceptance of the community at large plays a large part in how a sub-group portrays itself. 

[Jenne]

Fag is like sexual harassment. Its only not okay when an ugly person does it

I see what you're saying, but I disagree.  Not making a fuss because someone's NOT ugly is not making it "okay," just means a certain tolerance is displayed at times when it shouldn't be. 

You should move further forward with your thoughts on this, though, rather than just dropping off a provocative statement.

[Jenne]

Wait wait wait.

"Faggot" is not term of endearment in USA?

When you say it, I think it is.  It must have that descriptor, "glorious" in front of it, however, or all bets seem to be off...

[the last yatto]

Fag is like sexual harassment. Its only not okay when an ugly person does it

I see what you're saying, but I disagree.  Not making a fuss because someone's NOT ugly is not making it "okay," just means a certain tolerance is displayed at times when it shouldn't be. 

You should move further forward with your thoughts on this, though, rather than just dropping off a provocative statement.

Considering I like to use the word fag when bumming a smoke I'm probally not the best to define socially acceptable. For example tv/film its ok often ignored for a gay person to use the word gay, otherwise press releases come from "lgbt community" group(s) tend to happen

[Dane$$a]

Google bombing material removed - TGRR

Consider this your first, last, and only warning.

[the last yatto]

Don't make me toss your salad

[Phox]

Please TO LEARN ENGLISH

DING DING DING,WE HAVE A WINNER!  

[hooplala]

Fag is like sexual harassment. Its only not okay when an ugly person does it

I see what you're saying, but I disagree.  Not making a fuss because someone's NOT ugly is not making it "okay," just means a certain tolerance is displayed at times when it shouldn't be. 

You should move further forward with your thoughts on this, though, rather than just dropping off a provocative statement.

Considering I like to use the word fag when bumming a smoke I'm probally not the best to define socially acceptable. For example tv/film its ok often ignored for a gay person to use the word gay, otherwise press releases come from "lgbt community" group(s) tend to happen

WHAT are you a NIGGER like me? Please TO LEARN ENGLISH peleus as to where normal human being can read your post

Are you still here?

[Suu]

This shit never ceases to amuse me at times.

[Jenne]

Fag is like sexual harassment. Its only not okay when an ugly person does it

I see what you're saying, but I disagree.  Not making a fuss because someone's NOT ugly is not making it "okay," just means a certain tolerance is displayed at times when it shouldn't be.  

You should move further forward with your thoughts on this, though, rather than just dropping off a provocative statement.

Considering I like to use the word fag when bumming a smoke I'm probally not the best to define socially acceptable. For example tv/film its ok often ignored for a gay person to use the word gay, otherwise press releases come from "lgbt community" group(s) tend to happen

Ah, you're talking about the "within the target group only" prestige, otherwise, there's a taboo?  And sometimes this can be taken as hypocritical...I can see that.  But in understanding the power of a macroculture--you notice there's no rioting in the streets when someone gets called a "crackah"?  Why is that?  Where's the vitriol over something that's intended to be hurtful and a total slur?

There really isn't any.  The power structure of the culture has been skewed such that this particular taboo, though inflammatory, doesn't outweigh that of those who are underpowered.  It's simple politics, actually, and unfortunately for some.  Same for the homosexual community.  If they were "running things," as it were, then we would see less of a stance that only gays in the gay community can use the taboo language to effect without causing ill will.

There's also the factor of solidarity and whatnot thrown in when members of that select group call only each other that taboo word.  The layman term for that is "reempowerment" or something like that.  

In the end, it's intent and audience that is at the root of the usage.  What the interlocutor INTENDS the audience to interpret as meaning is every bit as important as what the audience presupposes and then interprets as the intended meaning.

[Dane$$a]

GOOGLE BOMBING and how??????? LMAO wat a joke

[hooplala]

and then?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

and then?

And then Dane$$a was a Poptard.

[the last yatto]

Fag is like sexual harassment. Its only not okay when an ugly person does it

I see what you're saying, but I disagree.  Not making a fuss because someone's NOT ugly is not making it "okay," just means a certain tolerance is displayed at times when it shouldn't be. 

You should move further forward with your thoughts on this, though, rather than just dropping off a provocative statement.

Considering I like to use the word fag when bumming a smoke I'm probally not the best to define socially acceptable. For example tv/film its ok often ignored for a gay person to use the word gay, otherwise press releases come from "lgbt community" group(s) tend to happen

Ah, you're talking about the "within the target group only" prestige, otherwise, there's a taboo?  And sometimes this can be taken as hypocritical...I can see that.  But in understanding the power of a macroculture--you notice there's no rioting in the streets when someone gets called a "crackah"?  Why is that?  Where's the vitriol over something that's intended to be hurtful and a total slur?

There really isn't any.  The power structure of the culture has been skewed such that this particular taboo, though inflammatory, doesn't outweigh that of those who are underpowered.  It's simple politics, actually, and unfortunately for some.  Same for the homosexual community.  If they were "running things," as it were, then we would see less of a stance that only gays in the gay community can use the taboo language to effect without causing ill will.

There's also the factor of solidarity and whatnot thrown in when members of that select group call only each other that taboo word.  The layman term for that is "reempowerment" or something like that. 

In the end, it's intent and audience that is at the root of the usage.  What the interlocutor INTENDS the audience to interpret as meaning is every bit as important as what the audience presupposes and then interprets as the intended meaning.